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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 21, 2019 22:29:30 GMT
His responses to the big issues of the day constantly show he's out of his depth.
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Post by jb on Feb 21, 2019 22:41:50 GMT
They’ll all be crying in their WhatsApp group as Corbyn has just gone and made a bad week for him even worse by wanting to bring little Miss Begum back home. Still he’s guaranteed himself the Extremist vote with that 60 seconds of madness. Just managed to alienate the British populous by showing a total disrespect to the victims of terror. Yeah, who needs international law anyway? "The extremist vote" - do you walk around with tin foil on your head? The European Convention on Human Rights and Article 2 and the right to life? Something which pond life like Begum and her Nazi clan pose a risk to. Something for which the state have an obligation to uphold. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 22, 2019 7:22:06 GMT
I don’t come on here ramming my opinions down people’s throats like the Gang of Four. What I do do and will continue to do is point out total rubbish and,like in the case of Honda, total lies. I’ll also point out double standards like the attack on one MP ex-lawyer and what he earned when a shadow front bencher is equally guilty. I’m sorry if my dissenting voice spoils your left wing love in on this thread, but that’s life. You’re surely bored of parroting out the same Marxist propaganda to the same audience of the four (or one) of you. They’ll all be crying in their WhatsApp group as Corbyn has just gone and made a bad week for him even worse by wanting to bring little Miss Begum back home. Still he’s guaranteed himself the Extremist vote with that 60 seconds of madness. Just managed to alienate the British populous by showing a total disrespect to the victims of terror. There is nothing like the right wing media to twist someones words is there... Corbyn might not want to bring her home, What he did say was she has the right to return to Britain, international law and immigration experts have kept saying the same all this week. She is a British citizen, and by the Home Secretary stripping her of her UK citizenship has made the whole thing a lot worse as they have acted illegally. Legal stuff over, we now move on to the moral part. Once she was allowed back home, she should have been detained, her child placed into foster care and she should have been questioned over her involvement in any illegal activity. If there were enough evidence to charge her then let the CPS do their job and the courts system the same. Whatever outrage her involvement with ISIS and lack of remorse over Manchester has caused, the law must be upheld, otherwise we are no better than the society she has involved herself with, which is so despised by the vast majority of decent human beings. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 22, 2019 8:39:28 GMT
Those who bleat on about international law can't grasp the bigger picture. Blindly welcoming back those involved with groups like IS totally undermines all the efforts of our security servives and armed forces over the decades to keep us safe.
The tunnel vision of the minority on this issue is staggering. The law of the day, as has been proven before, should never be automatically beyond challenge.
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Post by Derry Blue on Feb 22, 2019 10:12:52 GMT
“I have become ashamed of the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn” says Ian Austin who has been Labour all his life.
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Post by jb on Feb 22, 2019 10:19:46 GMT
They’ll all be crying in their WhatsApp group as Corbyn has just gone and made a bad week for him even worse by wanting to bring little Miss Begum back home. Still he’s guaranteed himself the Extremist vote with that 60 seconds of madness. Just managed to alienate the British populous by showing a total disrespect to the victims of terror. There is nothing like the right wing media to twist someones words is there... Corbyn might not want to bring her home, What he did say was she has the right to return to Britain, international law and immigration experts have kept saying the same all this week. She is a British citizen, and by the Home Secretary stripping her of her UK citizenship has made the whole thing a lot worse as they have acted illegally. Legal stuff over, we now move on to the moral part. Once she was allowed back home, she should have been detained, her child placed into foster care and she should have been questioned over her involvement in any illegal activity. If there were enough evidence to charge her then let the CPS do their job and the courts system the same. Whatever outrage her involvement with ISIS and lack of remorse over Manchester has caused, the law must be upheld, otherwise we are no better than the society she has involved herself with, which is so despised by the vast majority of decent human beings. You certainly make some salient points in respect of this matter and fully respect them. With regard to Corbyn's comments he states: "...she was born in Britain she has that right to remain in Britain and obviously there are a lot of questions she has to answer but also the support that she needs." It is that word "support" that doesn't sit right. It is hardly as if she has lost her passport or been caught with a Zoot in her luggage in Manilla or like Tom Hanks in that film with that Welsh girl who married the old bloke. She has gone over to support the biggest Terrorist organisation that we have seen in modern times and pose the biggest threat to civilised society. A group that thinks nothing of barbaric executions, raping and abusing women and committing other unspeakable atrocities. Saying the word "support" is an absolute insult to the victims of 07/07, the Manchester bombings, other victims and those brave troops and aid workers who have suffered at the hands of these Nazis. Javid has certainly gone with what the vast majority of Britains want (whether rightly or wrongly) and he certainly needs to back up his argument fully otherwise the likes of the "Lincoln Lawyer" Akunjee will see this as Christmas come early. The stripping of her British citizenship is no doubt going to cause huge problems and the "Lincoln Lawyer" is going to pounce on this. Do you know what the position is in respect of her being put on Trial in Syria? Probably slim to none given what's going on in that poor war ravaged country. The Home Secretary should have an argument under Article 2 of the Convention and upon the grounds of "public policy". She poses a risk to society and here is a distinct lack of confidence in the justice system and the reform system and it is going to be a nigh on impossible task which isn't going to reform someone of this nature and ilk. It is the child that I feel sorry for. International Law needs to protect this poor boy and not the Terrorist. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 22, 2019 12:40:19 GMT
There is nothing like the right wing media to twist someones words is there... Corbyn might not want to bring her home, What he did say was she has the right to return to Britain, international law and immigration experts have kept saying the same all this week. She is a British citizen, and by the Home Secretary stripping her of her UK citizenship has made the whole thing a lot worse as they have acted illegally. Legal stuff over, we now move on to the moral part. Once she was allowed back home, she should have been detained, her child placed into foster care and she should have been questioned over her involvement in any illegal activity. If there were enough evidence to charge her then let the CPS do their job and the courts system the same. Whatever outrage her involvement with ISIS and lack of remorse over Manchester has caused, the law must be upheld, otherwise we are no better than the society she has involved herself with, which is so despised by the vast majority of decent human beings. You certainly make some salient points in respect of this matter and fully respect them. With regard to Corbyn's comments he states: "...she was born in Britain she has that right to remain in Britain and obviously there are a lot of questions she has to answer but also the support that she needs." It is that word "support" that doesn't sit right. It is hardly as if she has lost her passport or been caught with a Zoot in her luggage in Manilla or like Tom Hanks in that film with that Welsh girl who married the old bloke. She has gone over to support the biggest Terrorist organisation that we have seen in modern times and pose the biggest threat to civilised society. A group that thinks nothing of barbaric executions, raping and abusing women and committing other unspeakable atrocities. Saying the word "support" is an absolute insult to the victims of 07/07, the Manchester bombings, other victims and those brave troops and aid workers who have suffered at the hands of these Nazis. Javid has certainly gone with what the vast majority of Britains want (whether rightly or wrongly) and he certainly needs to back up his argument fully otherwise the likes of the "Lincoln Lawyer" Akunjee will see this as Christmas come early. The stripping of her British citizenship is no doubt going to cause huge problems and the "Lincoln Lawyer" is going to pounce on this. Do you know what the position is in respect of her being put on Trial in Syria? Probably slim to none given what's going on in that poor war ravaged country. The Home Secretary should have an argument under Article 2 of the Convention and upon the grounds of "public policy". She poses a risk to society and here is a distinct lack of confidence in the justice system and the reform system and it is going to be a nigh on impossible task which isn't going to reform someone of this nature and ilk. It is the child that I feel sorry for. International Law needs to protect this poor boy and not the Terrorist. I take your points and get the anger and frustration in the wording. But support can mean a whole host of things. It could be she is supported by by a wide variety of organisations, it doesnt mean we all put an arm around her shoulder and let her have a good cry about it. The two boys who murdered James Bulger were "supported" once they had completed their prison sentences, indeed most murderers are supported whilst inside to try and get them to understand the implications of their crimes. Where this and other Governments have failed in their "support" is offering an adequate level to our armed forces when they come back from countries like Syria. So while support my mean something different, to coin a phrase, "lets not become Monsters, in order to defeat Monsters" |
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Post by jb on Feb 22, 2019 18:49:23 GMT
You certainly make some salient points in respect of this matter and fully respect them. With regard to Corbyn's comments he states: "...she was born in Britain she has that right to remain in Britain and obviously there are a lot of questions she has to answer but also the support that she needs." It is that word "support" that doesn't sit right. It is hardly as if she has lost her passport or been caught with a Zoot in her luggage in Manilla or like Tom Hanks in that film with that Welsh girl who married the old bloke. She has gone over to support the biggest Terrorist organisation that we have seen in modern times and pose the biggest threat to civilised society. A group that thinks nothing of barbaric executions, raping and abusing women and committing other unspeakable atrocities. Saying the word "support" is an absolute insult to the victims of 07/07, the Manchester bombings, other victims and those brave troops and aid workers who have suffered at the hands of these Nazis. Javid has certainly gone with what the vast majority of Britains want (whether rightly or wrongly) and he certainly needs to back up his argument fully otherwise the likes of the "Lincoln Lawyer" Akunjee will see this as Christmas come early. The stripping of her British citizenship is no doubt going to cause huge problems and the "Lincoln Lawyer" is going to pounce on this. Do you know what the position is in respect of her being put on Trial in Syria? Probably slim to none given what's going on in that poor war ravaged country. The Home Secretary should have an argument under Article 2 of the Convention and upon the grounds of "public policy". She poses a risk to society and here is a distinct lack of confidence in the justice system and the reform system and it is going to be a nigh on impossible task which isn't going to reform someone of this nature and ilk. It is the child that I feel sorry for. International Law needs to protect this poor boy and not the Terrorist. I take your points and get the anger and frustration in the wording. But support can mean a whole host of things. It could be she is supported by by a wide variety of organisations, it doesnt mean we all put an arm around her shoulder and let her have a good cry about it. The two boys who murdered James Bulger were "supported" once they had completed their prison sentences, indeed most murderers are supported whilst inside to try and get them to understand the implications of their crimes. Where this and other Governments have failed in their "support" is offering an adequate level to our armed forces when they come back from countries like Syria. So while support my mean something different, to coin a phrase, "lets not become Monsters, in order to defeat Monsters" Certainly some interesting points raised in that message. If the likes of Akunjee are successful in taking this to the Supreme Court and obtaining judgment in Begum's favour that Javid acted Ultra Vires then it begs the question what happens next in term of rehabilitation (I would prefer that word rather than support) and sentencing. You just know the sentence will be feeble as the sentencing guidelines in this country need serious revision. Certainly the majority of the British public will be outraged that thousands upon thousands of pounds will be spent on Therapy and "Deradicalisation programmes" for someone who went to join ISIS of her own volition. However, there are soldiers and aid workers returning and as you correctly say get absolutely minimal support from the government. You mention the Bulger killers in your message. It appears that rehabilitative treatment may have worked for one but according to media reports the other has been found guilty of several sexual offences against children. This shows that rehabilitation works in some instances and not in others. Imagine if Begum returns and then a few years later upon release decides to follow in the path of the evil Abedi and commit a mass atrocity, it just doesn't bear thinking about. There would be a massive outcry that she shouldn't have been allowed to return and quite rightly so! |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 22, 2019 19:15:02 GMT
I take your points and get the anger and frustration in the wording. But support can mean a whole host of things. It could be she is supported by by a wide variety of organisations, it doesnt mean we all put an arm around her shoulder and let her have a good cry about it. The two boys who murdered James Bulger were "supported" once they had completed their prison sentences, indeed most murderers are supported whilst inside to try and get them to understand the implications of their crimes. Where this and other Governments have failed in their "support" is offering an adequate level to our armed forces when they come back from countries like Syria. So while support my mean something different, to coin a phrase, "lets not become Monsters, in order to defeat Monsters" Certainly some interesting points raised in that message. If the likes of Akunjee are successful in taking this to the Supreme Court and obtaining judgment in Begum's favour that Javid acted Ultra Vires then it begs the question what happens next in term of rehabilitation (I would prefer that word rather than support) and sentencing. You just know the sentence will be feeble as the sentencing guidelines in this country need serious revision. Certainly the majority of the British public will be outraged that thousands upon thousands of pounds will be spent on Therapy and "Deradicalisation programmes" for someone who went to join ISIS of her own volition. However, there are soldiers and aid workers returning and as you correctly say get absolutely minimal support from the government. You mention the Bulger killers in your message. It appears that rehabilitative treatment may have worked for one but according to media reports the other has been found guilty of several sexual offences against children. This shows that rehabilitation works in some instances and not in others. Imagine if Begum returns and then a few years later upon release decides to follow in the path of the evil Abedi and commit a mass atrocity, it just doesn't bear thinking about. There would be a massive outcry that she shouldn't have been allowed to return and quite rightly so! Quite correct in the case of venables, but I guess with some people they are just born evil, so no amount of support will help in those such cases.i also agree with you that sentencing in this country has a lot to be desired too. what we have to be careful of in the abedi case though is, not to make some sort of martyr or role model for other young Muslims to aspire to. with the outrage the country has shown towards her, but the law on her side who would be an MP hey. |
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Post by jb on Feb 22, 2019 19:45:16 GMT
Certainly some interesting points raised in that message. If the likes of Akunjee are successful in taking this to the Supreme Court and obtaining judgment in Begum's favour that Javid acted Ultra Vires then it begs the question what happens next in term of rehabilitation (I would prefer that word rather than support) and sentencing. You just know the sentence will be feeble as the sentencing guidelines in this country need serious revision. Certainly the majority of the British public will be outraged that thousands upon thousands of pounds will be spent on Therapy and "Deradicalisation programmes" for someone who went to join ISIS of her own volition. However, there are soldiers and aid workers returning and as you correctly say get absolutely minimal support from the government. You mention the Bulger killers in your message. It appears that rehabilitative treatment may have worked for one but according to media reports the other has been found guilty of several sexual offences against children. This shows that rehabilitation works in some instances and not in others. Imagine if Begum returns and then a few years later upon release decides to follow in the path of the evil Abedi and commit a mass atrocity, it just doesn't bear thinking about. There would be a massive outcry that she shouldn't have been allowed to return and quite rightly so! Quite correct in the case of venables, but I guess with some people they are just born evil, so no amount of support will help in those such cases.i also agree with you that sentencing in this country has a lot to be desired too. what we have to be careful of in the abedi case though is, not to make some sort of martyr or role model for other young Muslims to aspire to. with the outrage the country has shown towards her, but the law on her side who would be an MP hey. I don't subscribe to the belief that people are born evil. I think they are made evil by a toxic environment that they are brought up in. I don't know much about those tragic events that went on in Bootle in the early 1990's but I am aware that Venebles was exposed to physical and sexual violence and extreme pornography at an early age which must have contributed to him developing such a heinous and repugnant character. I am also aware that Begum's father has been seen at Extremist's demos and seen next to Lee Rigby's killer in a video that was published following this story. Her father should feel ashamed and be held to account as well. I also saw this video on Twitter a few weeks back which made me think if only these kids were running the country rather than we'd live in a much better society: |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 24, 2019 18:20:30 GMT
I don't know if I'm a bit of a barmy conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I wonder about the strategy behind deciding the most newsworthy subject of the day. This Begum case is something we can all have an opinion on, but is it the biggest thing going on right now? I don't really care about this woman. She's a fool who has got herself into a right mess that needs to be handled very carefully. It's an unusual case, and because it's all over the papers and it's easy to have a strong opinion about it, people are led to believe it's most important issue of the moment.
What concerns me more is that we're less than five weeks away from Brexit day with the threat of 'no deal' still looming - a situation that will cause most of us to suffer but perhaps a small and powerful group have a vested interest in - and we constantly have a picture of a veiled woman on the front of every tabloid as public enemy number one. I don't have much sympathy for her, but the climate this creates is a dangerous one and I do wonder whether certain groups are trying to whip something up. I wondered the same a few weeks ago when 3-4 boats a day turning up in Calais was being described as a 'migrant crisis' - a situation that seems to have either miraculously petered out, or that just isn't tickling the media's fancy anymore.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 24, 2019 20:17:49 GMT
You’ve raised an important point Lobster. The Begum media furore is a smokescreen kindly created by the governments friends in the mainstream media to distract us from the absolute shambolic mess that they are making of Brexit. Begum is by no means the first to return from ISIL and will not be the last but unfortunately for her the timing of all this is terrible. Scapegoat.
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Post by jb on Feb 25, 2019 12:29:54 GMT
I don't know if I'm a bit of a barmy conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I wonder about the strategy behind deciding the most newsworthy subject of the day. This Begum case is something we can all have an opinion on, but is it the biggest thing going on right now? I don't really care about this woman. She's a fool who has got herself into a right mess that needs to be handled very carefully. It's an unusual case, and because it's all over the papers and it's easy to have a strong opinion about it, people are led to believe it's most important issue of the moment. What concerns me more is that we're less than five weeks away from Brexit day with the threat of 'no deal' still looming - a situation that will cause most of us to suffer but perhaps a small and powerful group have a vested interest in - and we constantly have a picture of a veiled woman on the front of every tabloid as public enemy number one. I don't have much sympathy for her, but the climate this creates is a dangerous one and I do wonder whether certain groups are trying to whip something up. I wondered the same a few weeks ago when 3-4 boats a day turning up in Calais was being described as a 'migrant crisis' - a situation that seems to have either miraculously petered out, or that just isn't tickling the media's fancy anymore. Apparently ISIS were set up by James Dyson and the bloke from Spoons to totally divert the attention away from Brexit. When you buy a pint from your local every 25p spent goes towards them. For every cordless vacuum sold they get a tenner. Don't worry Jeff Goldblum and Richard Attenborough have set up a team of dinosaurs off the coast of Costa Rica to fight them. I'd say that when they are showing indiscriminate hatred and blowing children up at concerts in Manchester it is very important. When you've got soldiers and forces risking their lives to protect us against the threat they pose then yep I'd say it's a very important issue. When you have ISIS plotting new terror attacks every day I would say it's important. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Feb 25, 2019 14:03:06 GMT
I don't know if I'm a bit of a barmy conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I wonder about the strategy behind deciding the most newsworthy subject of the day. This Begum case is something we can all have an opinion on, but is it the biggest thing going on right now? I don't really care about this woman. She's a fool who has got herself into a right mess that needs to be handled very carefully. It's an unusual case, and because it's all over the papers and it's easy to have a strong opinion about it, people are led to believe it's most important issue of the moment. What concerns me more is that we're less than five weeks away from Brexit day with the threat of 'no deal' still looming - a situation that will cause most of us to suffer but perhaps a small and powerful group have a vested interest in - and we constantly have a picture of a veiled woman on the front of every tabloid as public enemy number one. I don't have much sympathy for her, but the climate this creates is a dangerous one and I do wonder whether certain groups are trying to whip something up. I wondered the same a few weeks ago when 3-4 boats a day turning up in Calais was being described as a 'migrant crisis' - a situation that seems to have either miraculously petered out, or that just isn't tickling the media's fancy anymore. Apparently ISIS were set up by James Dyson and the bloke from Spoons to totally divert the attention away from Brexit. When you buy a pint from your local every 25p spent goes towards them. For every cordless vacuum sold they get a tenner. Don't worry Jeff Goldblum and Richard Attenborough have set up a team of dinosaurs off the coast of Costa Rica to fight them. I'd say that when they are showing indiscriminate hatred and blowing children up at concerts in Manchester it is very important. When you've got soldiers and forces risking their lives to protect us against the threat they pose then yep I'd say it's a very important issue. When you have ISIS plotting new terror attacks every day I would say it's important. Not to the ‘Gang of Four’ it isn’t. All that matters to them is their left wing (Marxist) obsessions. |
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Post by Al on Feb 25, 2019 14:28:42 GMT
Apparently ISIS were set up by James Dyson and the bloke from Spoons to totally divert the attention away from Brexit. When you buy a pint from your local every 25p spent goes towards them. For every cordless vacuum sold they get a tenner. Don't worry Jeff Goldblum and Richard Attenborough have set up a team of dinosaurs off the coast of Costa Rica to fight them. I'd say that when they are showing indiscriminate hatred and blowing children up at concerts in Manchester it is very important. When you've got soldiers and forces risking their lives to protect us against the threat they pose then yep I'd say it's a very important issue. When you have ISIS plotting new terror attacks every day I would say it's important. Not to the ‘Gang of Four’ it isn’t. All that matters to them is their left wing (Marxist) obsessions. Don't bring me into it. She's a lunatic who shouldn't be allowed back into this country. Unfortunately, if, due to international law, she wins her planned appeal then we're going to be lumbered with her, our own personal opinion on the matter means nothing if the law rules in her favor. If so I hope that child gets taken into care with a family who can give him the love and support that any child needs, not brainwashed and ending up like its mother, meanwhile she should be arrested and tried accordingly. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 25, 2019 15:27:04 GMT
“Unfortunately due to international law...” is an interesting sentence.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 25, 2019 16:14:29 GMT
Very narrow minded, and dangerous, to assume that just because something is presently set in law then it's automatically right.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 25, 2019 16:37:10 GMT
I don't know if I'm a bit of a barmy conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I wonder about the strategy behind deciding the most newsworthy subject of the day. This Begum case is something we can all have an opinion on, but is it the biggest thing going on right now? I don't really care about this woman. She's a fool who has got herself into a right mess that needs to be handled very carefully. It's an unusual case, and because it's all over the papers and it's easy to have a strong opinion about it, people are led to believe it's most important issue of the moment. What concerns me more is that we're less than five weeks away from Brexit day with the threat of 'no deal' still looming - a situation that will cause most of us to suffer but perhaps a small and powerful group have a vested interest in - and we constantly have a picture of a veiled woman on the front of every tabloid as public enemy number one. I don't have much sympathy for her, but the climate this creates is a dangerous one and I do wonder whether certain groups are trying to whip something up. I wondered the same a few weeks ago when 3-4 boats a day turning up in Calais was being described as a 'migrant crisis' - a situation that seems to have either miraculously petered out, or that just isn't tickling the media's fancy anymore. In fairness i think the country is just so terribly bored of brexit any different news becomes a big story. |
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Post by jb on Feb 25, 2019 16:56:06 GMT
Very narrow minded, and dangerous, to assume that just because something is presently set in law then it's automatically right. Absolutely spot on. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Feb 25, 2019 23:38:05 GMT
Not to the ‘Gang of Four’ it isn’t. All that matters to them is their left wing (Marxist) obsessions. Don't bring me into it. She's a lunatic who shouldn't be allowed back into this country. Unfortunately, if, due to international law, she wins her planned appeal then we're going to be lumbered with her, our own personal opinion on the matter means nothing if the law rules in her favor. If so I hope that child gets taken into care with a family who can give him the love and support that any child needs, not brainwashed and ending up like its mother, meanwhile she should be arrested and tried accordingly. Apologies for including you - my mistake |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Feb 26, 2019 9:07:34 GMT
Labour come out in support of a 2nd referendum. Now it really is a Tory Brexit and now they have got to fully own it and take responsibility for the consequencies. Lol
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Post by Lobster on Feb 26, 2019 11:12:26 GMT
Don’t agree with a second referendum myself and suspect it will only make things worse. It will go narrowly one way or the other - if it’s Leave again we’re stuck with the same problem, if it’s Remain the far-right will go mad.
Basically, the first referendum should never have happened, or at least not in the way it did. No referendum should take place on anything without a clear plan and risk assessment for BOTH possible outcomes. It’s not good enough to fob off big decisions on the public and use ‘the will of the people’ as an excuse to execute something as poorly as this.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 26, 2019 11:25:52 GMT
Indeed. Referendums are a sign that a government can’t govern.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Feb 26, 2019 14:52:56 GMT
Farage and the Brextremists theatening to boycott a Second Referendum . This dsy is getting better and better. Lol
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Feb 26, 2019 17:57:58 GMT
Utterly ridiculous suggestion from some quarters today that if there is a second referendum the question should be Remain vs May's deal - not at all surprising that this is being peddled by Remainers. Nobody wants May's deal, it can't get through Parliament and has no support in the country.
All that said, there isn't the numbers in Parliament for a second referendum. Around 35 Labour MP's would vote against it and you can add the ERG to that for starters.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Feb 26, 2019 19:18:34 GMT
If parliament rejects no deal and extends Article 50. Then it could well come down to a choice between May's deal or remain. There is no majority in parliment for a no deal, either.
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Post by Al on Feb 26, 2019 22:05:59 GMT
Events today just go to show how polarised Parliament and the Nation as a whole is over Brexit.
- May can't find a majority for her deal
- There is no majority (in my opinion for a second ref)
- Parliament could probably find a consensus with Labours proposed (Norway Plus) model
- There is not a majority in the house for a no deal scenario
Therefore looking at the scenarios we are left with 2 options. Government extends article 50, a General Election is called and we vote for who or what we want off the back of that.
There is no way in hell that the Tories, backed by the DUP will allow Corbyn and Labour to claim a political victory if May is seen to back their Norway Plus model. No matter what she says in the commons or in the press about "National Interest" this is all about the interest of herself and her party BEFORE any interest in any of us plebs.
I really do think that we are heading towards a GE this year, given the unrest from MPs within the Government. Rumours tonight up to 15 Government Ministers could be prepared to quit over her handling of Brexit. If they were all to move to the shady 'Independent Group' then a GE seems almost inevitable.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 26, 2019 22:12:27 GMT
Has everyone recovered from the excitement of Labour’s Brexit policy being absolutely the same as it was six months ago?
Labour now face the gross spectacle of people who didn't believe they were going do what they said they were going to do now believing that, because of them, Labour have changed their minds. Mental.
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Feb 27, 2019 7:23:19 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 27, 2019 7:23:19 GMT
Utterly ridiculous suggestion from some quarters today that if there is a second referendum the question should be Remain vs May's deal - not at all surprising that this is being peddled by Remainers. Nobody wants May's deal, it can't get through Parliament and has no support in the country. All that said, there isn't the numbers in Parliament for a second referendum. Around 35 Labour MP's would vote against it and you can add the ERG to that for starters. Brexit was the will of the people-at that time. a lot has changed since then and things have become a lot clearer in both how difficult Brexit actually is and how the EU actually treat us. If it really was down to the will of the people, then let the people decide if they want a second referendum. What has become apparent is May has no support from her own party for her deal,which if you are in Government is a complete farce. The DUP wont support any deal that is currently on the table, but keep supporting the Government that keeps feeding it and Labour have no idea what it is they want to do with anything. Apart from that, to quote the OP first post, its a bit of a mess. |
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Feb 27, 2019 7:49:50 GMT
Post by Lobster on Feb 27, 2019 7:49:50 GMT
Utterly ridiculous suggestion from some quarters today that if there is a second referendum the question should be Remain vs May's deal - not at all surprising that this is being peddled by Remainers. Nobody wants May's deal, it can't get through Parliament and has no support in the country. All that said, there isn't the numbers in Parliament for a second referendum. Around 35 Labour MP's would vote against it and you can add the ERG to that for starters. Brexit was the will of the people-at that time. a lot has changed since then and things have become a lot clearer in both how difficult Brexit actually is and how the EU actually treat us. If it really was down to the will of the people, then let the people decide if they want a second referendum.What has become apparent is May has no support from her own party for her deal,which if you are in Government is a complete farce. The DUP wont support any deal that is currently on the table, but keep supporting the Government that keeps feeding it and Labour have no idea what it is they want to do with anything. Apart from that, to quote the OP first post, its a bit of a mess. That sounds like you’re calling for a referendum on whether to have a referendum! |
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