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Mar 12, 2019 22:03:00 GMT
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Post by jb on Mar 12, 2019 22:03:00 GMT
NHS on its arse, thousands homeless, people driven to food banks and yet millions upon millions will be wasted on a Corbyn and May beauty parade. So what is the alternative, exactly? Leave the government in power and allow them to keep putting the NHS on its arse, making people homeless and driving them to food banks. Nice to see you've still got that tin foil on your head. You keep dreaming that Jezza is going to march into number 10 with a Venezuela flag draped around him, John with his photocopier to print more money and Diane holding our Shamina in her arms. The Tories or Labour? What a time to be alive!
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2019 22:09:09 GMT
I'm no fan of Theresa May but she's thick-skinned, I'll give her that. Think she's got more balls than most of the stupid fuckwits in her party.
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 13, 2019 5:28:38 GMT
So what is the alternative, exactly? Leave the government in power and allow them to keep putting the NHS on its arse, making people homeless and driving them to food banks. Nice to see you've still got that tin foil on your head. You keep dreaming that Jezza is going to march into number 10 with a Venezuela flag draped around him, John with his photocopier to print more money and Diane holding our Shamina in her arms. The Tories or Labour? What a time to be alive! Are you a Sun reader?
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Mar 13, 2019 7:48:23 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Mar 13, 2019 7:48:23 GMT
May looking like a broken woman, in the commons and this 'citizen of the world/ citizen of nowhere is laughing his balls off. Don’t you realise how pompous you sound with that “citizen of the world, citizen of nowhere” guff?
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 13, 2019 8:05:08 GMT
May looking like a broken woman, in the commons and this 'citizen of the world/ citizen of nowhere is laughing his balls off. Don’t you realise how pompous you sound with that “citizen of the world, citizen of nowhere” guff? Should that be do you realise, if its a question. Don't you realise when asked as a question, doesn't make sense.
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Mar 13, 2019 13:22:20 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Mar 13, 2019 13:22:20 GMT
Don’t you realise how pompous you sound with that “citizen of the world, citizen of nowhere” guff? Should that be do you realise, if its a question. Don't you realise when asked as a question, doesn't make sense. Blah, blah, blah. He’s still a pompous ass.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:36:35 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 13, 2019 19:36:35 GMT
Didn’t expect tonight’s vote to be as close as that.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:40:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:40:15 GMT
Tonight's vote A lot closer than expected. Looks like some of our members are fearing for their jobs
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 13, 2019 21:03:22 GMT
All in all though it's another humiliating night for May. Her authority slips away day by day.
It's also pretty damning for Corbyn that said because, amid the Tory chaos, Labour remain well behind in the opinion polls.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:13:39 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 13, 2019 21:13:39 GMT
All in all though it's another humiliating night for May. Her authority slips away day by day. It's also pretty damning for Corbyn that said because, amid the Tory chaos, Labour remain well behind in the opinion polls. But opinion polls have been pretty useless in recent years, with Brexit and Trump being the most obvious example. Plus Labour did a lot better than expected in the last election.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:16:47 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 13, 2019 21:16:47 GMT
All in all though it's another humiliating night for May. Her authority slips away day by day. It's also pretty damning for Corbyn that said because, amid the Tory chaos, Labour remain well behind in the opinion polls. Lol opinion polls mean eff all. What happened to the Tory landslide at the last GE?
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Mar 13, 2019 21:20:18 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 13, 2019 21:20:18 GMT
So do either of you think Labour would seriously get the most votes if a GE was called tomorrow?
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Mar 13, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 13, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
So do either of you think Labour would seriously get the most votes if a GE was called tomorrow? Most votes, no, but I do think it's possible some form of coalition could force the Tories out, especially if May loses the support of the DUP.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:25:36 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 13, 2019 21:25:36 GMT
So do either of you think Labour would seriously get the most votes if a GE was called tomorrow? Most votes, no, but I do think it's possible some form of coalition could force the Tories out, especially if May loses the support of the DUP. It's apparent though that Corbyn is as much of a liability to Labour as May has become to the Tories. I say that as someone with no loyalty to either party.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 14, 2019 0:36:27 GMT
May looking like a broken woman, in the commons and this 'citizen of the world/ citizen of nowhere is laughing his balls off. Don’t you realise how pompous you sound with that “citizen of the world, citizen of nowhere” guff? Actually,What I do object to, is some mindless Nationalist, who lives in Wolverhanpton, holiday's at The Robin Hood camp, in Rhyl and is concerned about Romanian immigration, knackering up my right to live and work, in 27 EU countries. I had a place, in France for 7 years and if I knew, what I know now, I would have taken out French citizenship. rather than be stuck on this festering little Island, with the Tories.
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Mar 14, 2019 7:23:06 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 14, 2019 7:23:06 GMT
So who is looking forward to zero tariffs on oranges, jam and carpets then. Taking back control eh.....
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 14, 2019 7:36:34 GMT
Most votes, no, but I do think it's possible some form of coalition could force the Tories out, especially if May loses the support of the DUP. It's apparent though that Corbyn is as much of a liability to Labour as May has become to the Tories. I say that as someone with no loyalty to either party. This view is widely-held and shows just how effective the media is at misinforming people and propping up this shower of a government. The Tory bastards have been vacillating for months and made parliament vote twice on basically the same deal. Labour has an alternative proposal that would get passed, and that has the support of all sides, yet both are responsible?
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Mar 14, 2019 7:40:04 GMT
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Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 7:40:04 GMT
She's now lost more votes than Blair, Cameron, Brown, Major, Thatcher and Heath COMBINED.
and yet people bang on about there being 'no credible opposition'
Madness
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Mar 14, 2019 9:00:23 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 14, 2019 9:00:23 GMT
She's now lost more votes than Blair, Cameron, Brown, Major, Thatcher and Heath COMBINED. and yet people bang on about there being 'no credible opposition' Madness She’s a media creation, a bit like the Wizard of Oz or something. What the right wing press write about her is so far removed from the reality, it really is so dishonest. As someone a lot brighter than me once observed, being a Tory politician is like playing a video game with all the cheat codes. Neither the print nor broadcast media give you a hard time, instead they concentrate all their fire on the opposition. It must be so easy, knowing their is no real scrutiny outside of Parliament. Getting back to Brexit, if it’s delivered one thing it’s shown the ineptitude and venality of Conservative politicians, who promise everything, deliver nothing and then blame everybody else.
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Mar 14, 2019 9:33:18 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 14, 2019 9:33:18 GMT
So am I right in thinking that if tonight’s vote to ask for an extension doesn’t pass, then we’ll leave without a deal on March 29, even though that was what the House voted against yesterday?
I’m struggling to keep a straight face with all this. What a total farce!
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Mar 14, 2019 9:39:49 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 14, 2019 9:39:49 GMT
It's apparent though that Corbyn is as much of a liability to Labour as May has become to the Tories. I say that as someone with no loyalty to either party. This view is widely-held and shows just how effective the media is at misinforming people and propping up this shower of a government. The Tory bastards have been vacillating for months and made parliament vote twice on basically the same deal. Labour has an alternative proposal that would get passed, and that has the support of all sides, yet both are responsible? Hostility towards Corbyn extends well beyond Brexit as you well know. It looks juvenile pretending not to understand why Labour are where they are and that the media are to blame for it. With that front bench, Labour are not a credible opposition. In the context of an atrocious Tory government, Labour's position under Corbyn looks all the more tragic.
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Mar 14, 2019 9:51:02 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 14, 2019 9:51:02 GMT
So am I right in thinking that if tonight’s vote to ask for an extension doesn’t pass, then we’ll leave without a deal on March 29, even though that was what the House voted against yesterday? I’m struggling to keep a straight face with all this. What a total farce! I think so! Although meaningful vote 3 may stand slightly more chance of passing if we did get to a point where no deal loomed large. Assuming the speaker allowed it? It was always going to be tedious.
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Mar 14, 2019 9:58:27 GMT
Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 9:58:27 GMT
Quite unbelievable where we have a Withdrawl Agreement which has been so comprehensively defeated twice, is now expected to come back to the House for a third go.
This is equivalent of May throwing a full blown tantrum, stamping her feet and sticking her fingers in her ears.
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Mar 14, 2019 10:15:45 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 14, 2019 10:15:45 GMT
The speaker and the commons and the pro remain Tories, need to make sure that doesnt happen . If a private members bill was rejected, it couldnt come back a second time, in this sitting. May is making a difficult siruation worse, with her inability to listen or compremise. Almost bordering on the pathological
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Mar 14, 2019 12:07:36 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 14, 2019 12:07:36 GMT
If May were to resign then obviously this clown would come to the front of the queue for the job. More unbelievable comments by a person so out of touch with reality its untrue. www.bbc.com/news/uk-47560192
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Mar 14, 2019 12:11:15 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 14, 2019 12:11:15 GMT
This view is widely-held and shows just how effective the media is at misinforming people and propping up this shower of a government. The Tory bastards have been vacillating for months and made parliament vote twice on basically the same deal. Labour has an alternative proposal that would get passed, and that has the support of all sides, yet both are responsible? Hostility towards Corbyn extends well beyond Brexit as you well know. It looks juvenile pretending not to understand why Labour are where they are and that the media are to blame for it. With that front bench, Labour are not a credible opposition. In the context of an atrocious Tory government, Labour's position under Corbyn looks all the more tragic. Labour have proven to be a more than credible oppositon given the amount of votes May has lost in the House, the amount of U-turns she has been forced into and the number of cancelled votes knowing that Labour amendments would win.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:16:18 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 14, 2019 12:16:18 GMT
If May were to resign then obviously this clown would come to the front of the queue for the job. More unbelievable comments by a person so out of touch with reality its untrue. www.bbc.com/news/uk-47560192If Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t leader of the Labour Party and a neoliberal was (e.g. Bair - whom Thatcher described as “our greatest achievement”) there’d be a general election. These people are terrified about the prospect of a radical government and they’ll do all they can to shamelessly hold on, including keeping their flailing failing leader in office. Establishment media are quick to excuse the Prime Minister - "In normal times she would resign and call an election, except these aren't normal times.” What they don't say, but what they mean, is she won't because Jeremy Corbyn is Labour leader and they’d lose an election.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:11:18 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 14, 2019 14:11:18 GMT
Hostility towards Corbyn extends well beyond Brexit as you well know. It looks juvenile pretending not to understand why Labour are where they are and that the media are to blame for it. With that front bench, Labour are not a credible opposition. In the context of an atrocious Tory government, Labour's position under Corbyn looks all the more tragic. Labour have proven to be a more than credible oppositon given the amount of votes May has lost in the House, the amount of U-turns she has been forced into and the number of cancelled votes knowing that Labour amendments would win. Forgot to add the fact that Labour wipes out May’s majority, secured a meaningful vote in Parliament and have come up with a credible alternative Brexit deal. Extraordinary. Theresa May is STILL refusing to reach out and compromise. Fortunately, Jeremy Corbyn has taken up the mantle and has confirmed he will reach out across the benches to find a deal that can command the majority in Parliament. Only one leader is showing leadership.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:50:48 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 14, 2019 14:50:48 GMT
Hostility towards Corbyn extends well beyond Brexit as you well know. It looks juvenile pretending not to understand why Labour are where they are and that the media are to blame for it. With that front bench, Labour are not a credible opposition. In the context of an atrocious Tory government, Labour's position under Corbyn looks all the more tragic. Labour have proven to be a more than credible oppositon given the amount of votes May has lost in the House, the amount of U-turns she has been forced into and the number of cancelled votes knowing that Labour amendments would win. Interesting you highlight May's U-turns in light of Starmer's announcement in the commons today which makes Labour's position as ambiguous as ever.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:49:57 GMT
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Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 15:49:57 GMT
Labour have proven to be a more than credible oppositon given the amount of votes May has lost in the House, the amount of U-turns she has been forced into and the number of cancelled votes knowing that Labour amendments would win. Interesting you highlight May's U-turns in light of Starmer's announcement in the commons today which makes Labour's position as ambiguous as ever. Which announcement was that? Been listening all afternoon..
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