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Mar 14, 2019 15:54:40 GMT
Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 15:54:40 GMT
If - and I am only assuming here - that you're on about not backing the motions calling for a long term extension and adding a Peoples Vote. The leaders of the Peoples Vote themselves have come out and said now is not the time to push for a Peoples Vote on the issue. Today is purely down to trying to push for an extension to Article 50. The issue of the Peoples Vote should come after. The motion including the option of a peoples vote today is just muddying the waters, when right now it needs clear direction from Members of Parliament.
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Mar 14, 2019 16:04:16 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 14, 2019 16:04:16 GMT
If May were to resign then obviously this clown would come to the front of the queue for the job. More unbelievable comments by a person so out of touch with reality its untrue. www.bbc.com/news/uk-47560192I suspect Boris is more clued up than he often lets on. If I thought he was just a bumbling old toff, I could forgive him, but I think he’s an opportunist who uses the act to strike a chord with populists, Sun readers and the “you can’t say anything anymore” brigade. Sadly, it seems to work. That’s why I think the best Tories are the plain incompetent ones, like May. |
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Mar 14, 2019 18:29:28 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Mar 14, 2019 18:29:28 GMT
Don’t you realise how pompous you sound with that “citizen of the world, citizen of nowhere” guff? Actually,What I do object to, is some mindless Nationalist, who lives in Wolverhanpton, holiday's at The Robin Hood camp, in Rhyl and is concerned about Romanian immigration, knackering up my right to live and work, in 27 EU countries. I had a place, in France for 7 years and if I knew, what I know now, I would have taken out French citizenship. rather than be stuck on this festering little Island, with the Tories. Quickly, do it now. Get the French citizenship. Oh, and bye bye. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Mar 14, 2019 18:33:33 GMT
If May were to resign then obviously this clown would come to the front of the queue for the job. More unbelievable comments by a person so out of touch with reality its untrue. www.bbc.com/news/uk-47560192I suspect Boris is more clued up than he often lets on. If I thought he was just a bumbling old toff, I could forgive him, but I think he’s an opportunist who uses the act to strike a chord with populists, Sun readers and the “you can’t say anything anymore” brigade. Sadly, it seems to work. That’s why I think the best Tories are the plain incompetent ones, like May. It’s incredible that you support Corbyn, yet call Boris for presenting an image that isn’t the reality. Oh, and before you start on me, I could never vote for a party headed by the Boris Buffoon. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Mar 14, 2019 18:37:06 GMT
This view is widely-held and shows just how effective the media is at misinforming people and propping up this shower of a government. The Tory bastards have been vacillating for months and made parliament vote twice on basically the same deal. Labour has an alternative proposal that would get passed, and that has the support of all sides, yet both are responsible? Hostility towards Corbyn extends well beyond Brexit as you well know. It looks juvenile pretending not to understand why Labour are where they are and that the media are to blame for it. With that front bench, Labour are not a credible opposition. In the context of an atrocious Tory government, Labour's position under Corbyn looks all the more tragic. Juvenile - what a good word when describing the multiple personality or the Gang of Four. |
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Post by Jack on Mar 14, 2019 18:39:19 GMT
People are wilfully choosing not to recognise the position that Corbyn is in with Brexit. More central members of the party are liked coiled springs, ready to attack him for taking an ambiguous position on Brexit.
They know full well that as a membership, Labour is well and truly split on Brexit. The traditional, northern Labour strong holds all voted firmly for Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn represents these people and knows that if he had instantly backed a second referendum, that their votes would be lost forever.
You can see the narrative that would be spun out either way. If he backed a second referendum he's a traitor to his strong holds - if he respected the result and pushed for Brexit, he's 'not providing any opposition'.
People know this, but they'd rather just convince themselves that Chuka and Anna Soubry are going to save the day. It's laughable.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:10:56 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 14, 2019 19:10:56 GMT
If - and I am only assuming here - that you're on about not backing the motions calling for a long term extension and adding a Peoples Vote. The leaders of the Peoples Vote themselves have come out and said now is not the time to push for a Peoples Vote on the issue. Today is purely down to trying to push for an extension to Article 50. The issue of the Peoples Vote should come after. The motion including the option of a peoples vote today is just muddying the waters, when right now it needs clear direction from Members of Parliament. Today was an opportunity to try and stop this madness, Labour bottled it. Corbyn's as awful as May, you're deluded if you think otherwise. |
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Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 19:11:02 GMT
Hostility towards Corbyn extends well beyond Brexit as you well know. It looks juvenile pretending not to understand why Labour are where they are and that the media are to blame for it. With that front bench, Labour are not a credible opposition. In the context of an atrocious Tory government, Labour's position under Corbyn looks all the more tragic. Juvenile - what a good word when describing the multiple personality or the Gang of Four. Why the continued hostility? |
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Mar 14, 2019 19:12:57 GMT
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Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 19:12:57 GMT
If - and I am only assuming here - that you're on about not backing the motions calling for a long term extension and adding a Peoples Vote. The leaders of the Peoples Vote themselves have come out and said now is not the time to push for a Peoples Vote on the issue. Today is purely down to trying to push for an extension to Article 50. The issue of the Peoples Vote should come after. The motion including the option of a peoples vote today is just muddying the waters, when right now it needs clear direction from Members of Parliament. Today was an opportunity to try and stop this madness, Labour bottled it. Corbyn's as awful as May, you're deluded if you think otherwise. Incorrect. Even if Labour had backed that amendment they still wouldn't have had the numbers needed to win it. Like I said though, even the leaders of the Peoples Vote had been trying to urge for it not to go to a vote. That's just a simple fact, no delusion here |
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Mar 14, 2019 19:17:10 GMT
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Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 19:17:10 GMT
Just to add, there will be more opportunities for a people's vote to take place in future. But right this second even with Labour and all the other non- Tory and DUP MPs behind it there is not enough support for it to pass, at present.
I suspect they will change if all other avenues are exhausted, and/or May keeps arsing around bringing her same failed withdrawal agreement back like it seems she's doing again early next week!
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Mar 14, 2019 19:18:27 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 14, 2019 19:18:27 GMT
Today was an opportunity to try and stop this madness, Labour bottled it. Corbyn's as awful as May, you're deluded if you think otherwise. Incorrect. Even if Labour had backed that amendment they still wouldn't have had the numbers needed to win it. Like I said though, even the leaders of the Peoples Vote had been trying to urge for it not to go to a vote. That's just a simple fact, no delusion here No, Labour could have set down a marker today and stated their intentions once and for all instead of their usual smoke and mirrors. Big opportunity missed. I think today brings us closer to May's deal which is a depressing thought. |
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Mar 14, 2019 19:20:50 GMT
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Post by Al on Mar 14, 2019 19:20:50 GMT
Incorrect. Even if Labour had backed that amendment they still wouldn't have had the numbers needed to win it. Like I said though, even the leaders of the Peoples Vote had been trying to urge for it not to go to a vote. That's just a simple fact, no delusion here No, Labour could have set down a marker today and stated their intentions once and for all instead of their usual smoke and mirrors. Big opportunity missed. I think today brings us closer to May's deal which is a depressing thought. It still would have lost. And the end result would have been the same. As stated by the leaders of the Peoples Vote themselves, the timing wasn't right. |
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Mar 14, 2019 19:21:10 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Mar 14, 2019 19:21:10 GMT
Juvenile - what a good word when describing the multiple personality or the Gang of Four. Why the continued hostility? Point taken. I’ll try to be more considerate with you. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 14, 2019 20:43:15 GMT
Why the continued hostility? Point taken. I’ll try to be more considerate with you. Save us the smarm offensive, please. |
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Mar 15, 2019 7:57:20 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 15, 2019 7:57:20 GMT
Disappointed the last post has been deleted, it was a classic of its kind and should remain for all to see.
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Post by Derry Blue on Mar 15, 2019 8:04:28 GMT
Disappointed the last post has been deleted, it was a classic of its kind and should remain for all to see. Good morning, I hope you slept well. If you’re trying to wind me up so that I bite and ‘everhopeful’ will ban me, I’m going to endeavour to disappoint you. I hope you have an enjoyable day. |
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Post by jb on Mar 15, 2019 10:47:24 GMT
If May were to resign then obviously this clown would come to the front of the queue for the job. More unbelievable comments by a person so out of touch with reality its untrue. www.bbc.com/news/uk-47560192I suspect Boris is more clued up than he often lets on. If I thought he was just a bumbling old toff, I could forgive him, but I think he’s an opportunist who uses the act to strike a chord with populists, Sun readers and the “you can’t say anything anymore” brigade. Sadly, it seems to work. That’s why I think the best Tories are the plain incompetent ones, like May. I'm not sure anyone could agree with those comments Bernard Chumley made. If that money helps to save at least one person from becoming a victim of abuse and brings at least one perpetrator to justice then it is money well spent in my view. I guess those comments show how out of touch he is with modern Britain. Those who were once frightened to speak out about historic abuse have bravely come forward and the likes of Andy Woodward, Paul Stewart and Steve Walters deserve credit and praise for being so brave and inspiring others to come forward. Also those brave ladies who have spoken out abuse abuse they received from Z listers years ago also deserve praise and recognition. They don't deserve comments like that from a privileged cretin. Unfortunately child abuse is a scourge on what is a supposed to be a modern forward thinking state as has been seen in places like Rochdale, Rotherham and Oxford. It needs to be eradicated asap as it is a national disgrace. I suppose the only reason he could say it is money wasted is because when finances have been spent on this alleged Westminster "VIP" Child abuse ring papers have conveniently gone missing!! |
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Mar 15, 2019 12:02:02 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 15, 2019 12:02:02 GMT
Actually,What I do object to, is some mindless Nationalist, who lives in Wolverhanpton, holiday's at The Robin Hood camp, in Rhyl and is concerned about Romanian immigration, knackering up my right to live and work, in 27 EU countries. I had a place, in France for 7 years and if I knew, what I know now, I would have taken out French citizenship. rather than be stuck on this festering little Island, with the Tories. Quickly, do it now. Get the French citizenship. Oh, and bye bye. You know you would miss me, if I went. Lol |
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Mar 15, 2019 15:58:36 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 15, 2019 15:58:36 GMT
Quickly, do it now. Get the French citizenship. Oh, and bye bye. You know you would miss me, if I went. Lol Pretty sure you could still access Deva Chat in France anyway. |
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Mar 15, 2019 16:06:38 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 15, 2019 16:06:38 GMT
I suspect Boris is more clued up than he often lets on. If I thought he was just a bumbling old toff, I could forgive him, but I think he’s an opportunist who uses the act to strike a chord with populists, Sun readers and the “you can’t say anything anymore” brigade. Sadly, it seems to work. That’s why I think the best Tories are the plain incompetent ones, like May. It’s incredible that you support Corbyn, yet call Boris for presenting an image that isn’t the reality. Oh, and before you start on me, I could never vote for a party headed by the Boris Buffoon. I get that Corbyn is not everyone's cup of tea, and even though I like him and what he stands for, I'll admit that there are doubts over whether a government led by him could really work. I don't understand why some people seem to think he's some sort of fake, though. You can easily find evidence of him campaigning for decades about the sort of thing he's still going on about now. I think he's completely sincere and I'm surprised anyone would question that. For the record I would say the same about Nigel Farage - don't like him at all but I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. |
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Post by jb on Mar 15, 2019 19:31:48 GMT
Quickly, do it now. Get the French citizenship. Oh, and bye bye. You know you would miss me, if I went. Lol Your football club needs you! |
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Mar 15, 2019 22:19:56 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 15, 2019 22:19:56 GMT
I suspect Boris is more clued up than he often lets on. If I thought he was just a bumbling old toff, I could forgive him, but I think he’s an opportunist who uses the act to strike a chord with populists, Sun readers and the “you can’t say anything anymore” brigade. Sadly, it seems to work. That’s why I think the best Tories are the plain incompetent ones, like May. If that money helps to save at least one person from becoming a victim of abuse and brings at least one perpetrator to justice then it is money well spent in my view. I guess those comments show how out of touch he is with modern Britain. Those who were once frightened to speak out about historic abuse have bravely come forward and the likes of Andy Woodward, Paul Stewart and Steve Walters deserve credit and praise for being so brave and inspiring others to come forward. Also those brave ladies who have spoken out abuse abuse they received from Z listers years ago also deserve praise and recognition. They don't deserve comments like that from a privileged cretin. Unfortunately child abuse is a scourge on what is a supposed to be a modern forward thinking state as has been seen in places like Rochdale, Rotherham and Oxford. It needs to be eradicated asap as it is a national disgrace. I suppose the only reason he could say it is money wasted is because when finances have been spent on this alleged Westminster "VIP" Child abuse ring papers have conveniently gone missing!! I don’t know, I think there is a bit of a “man up” culture about it within certain circles. Eric Bristow said the abused footballers were “wimps” - shame really that probably his last reported contribution before he died was something as stupid as that. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Mar 16, 2019 12:50:23 GMT
I get that Corbyn is not everyone's cup of tea, and even though I like him and what he stands for, I'll admit that there are doubts over whether a government led by him could really work. I don't understand why some people seem to think he's some sort of fake, though. You can easily find evidence of him campaigning for decades about the sort of thing he's still going on about now. I think he's completely sincere and I'm surprised anyone would question that. For the record I would say the same about Nigel Farage - don't like him at all but I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. What about the party's institutional anti-Semitism and his relationship with terrorist groups, surely that's what he stands for. Wow, get ready to receive flak. By the way your forgot supporting incompetent and possibly illegal Venezuelan leaders, Putin, Iran, in fact most anti-West states. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 16, 2019 13:55:57 GMT
To be honest if the Labour supporters on here can't see that Brexit has been just to damaging to Corbyn as it has to May, they won't acknowledge all the other things wrong with the party today.
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Mar 16, 2019 14:30:27 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 16, 2019 14:30:27 GMT
I get that Corbyn is not everyone's cup of tea, and even though I like him and what he stands for, I'll admit that there are doubts over whether a government led by him could really work. I don't understand why some people seem to think he's some sort of fake, though. You can easily find evidence of him campaigning for decades about the sort of thing he's still going on about now. I think he's completely sincere and I'm surprised anyone would question that. For the record I would say the same about Nigel Farage - don't like him at all but I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. What about the party's institutional anti-Semitism and his relationship with terrorist groups, surely that's what he stands for. Hahaha cute. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 17, 2019 1:55:16 GMT
Genius Brexiteer Tim Martin moaning that the profits; for his crap pub chain are down. Perhaps its not a good business plan,to piss off half the population? Especially, when the other half ,of his customers are the unemployed or chronic alcoholics
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Mar 17, 2019 14:15:07 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 17, 2019 14:15:07 GMT
Genius Brexiteer Tim Martin moaning that the profits; for his crap pub chain are down. Perhaps its not a good business plan,to piss off half the population? Especially, when the other half ,of his customers are the unemployed or chronic alcoholics You do sense that he’s not quite right. Think he’s a well-intentioned fool personally. |
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Mar 17, 2019 14:32:05 GMT
Post by Hannibal on Mar 17, 2019 14:32:05 GMT
I get that Corbyn is not everyone's cup of tea, and even though I like him and what he stands for, I'll admit that there are doubts over whether a government led by him could really work. I don't understand why some people seem to think he's some sort of fake, though. You can easily find evidence of him campaigning for decades about the sort of thing he's still going on about now. I think he's completely sincere and I'm surprised anyone would question that. For the record I would say the same about Nigel Farage - don't like him at all but I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. What about the conservative party's institutional islamaphobia and their relationship with Saudi Arabian massacre groups, surely that's what May stands for. Tidied that up a bit for you I'm anti-Corbyn, but that doesn't mean I'm pro-May. I stand by what you've said about the Tories (In 50 years of being a voter I've never voted blue). |
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 17, 2019 14:56:59 GMT
Looks like the flat-Earthers, climate change deniers and assorted bigots of the DUP are being bought off, so I expect May’s Brexshit Bill to pass at the third time of asking. Absolutely tragic for a once proud, outward-looking nation.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 18, 2019 7:11:09 GMT
It will only get through with the support of Labour Leavers and the likes of Caroline Flint. They should face autonatic de-selection Labour needs to hold its nerve It is a massive ask for May. There are also members of the ERG who would rather rub peppers in their eyes than to support May's deal.
A long delay is the best outcome, remain is starting to win all the arguments, becauae Brexit is being increasingly seen as a bad idea.
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