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Mar 29, 2019 18:05:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 18:05:36 GMT
I do understand I was beginning to think that this whole thread was your own remain campaign. Don't get too excited it's far from over.
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Mar 29, 2019 18:06:00 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 29, 2019 18:06:00 GMT
I'm not so sure the madness is nearly dead myself yet...
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Mar 29, 2019 18:14:36 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 29, 2019 18:14:36 GMT
Theresa May could go in a crowded pub and hold a vote proposing that she bought everyone in there a beer, and she’d still manage to find a way to lose it.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 29, 2019 18:39:38 GMT
It is quite incredible to see after 3 years of supposed self-reflection from the Remain campaign, we still see comments like 'Brexiteers dragging us down'.
Guess what? The people in Middlesbrough, Grimsby and Barrow who don't have 2 pennies to rub together really don't give a shit if the Waitrose shoppers in Oxford have been 'dragged down' - that was kind of the point of many of their votes.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 29, 2019 18:41:53 GMT
They won't even have one penny if they get their way with Brexit. 'We're poor so we'll vote to make ourselves and the country poorer' - words fail me.
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Post by Al on Mar 29, 2019 18:51:33 GMT
Deal rejected again. No idea what happens next... General Election |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 29, 2019 21:45:53 GMT
I hope we get thrown out with no deal. How can any body vote for any of these self serving arse holes again 17.4 million actual voters not 6million chances who are upset because they lost. all blockers names need publishing and let's see how they get on in a general election Here we go again - “you lost, respect democracy etc etc etc”. We’d never have general elections and may as well live in the DPRK if that was the case. Democracy is fluid. |
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Mar 29, 2019 21:47:57 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 29, 2019 21:47:57 GMT
It is quite incredible to see after 3 years of supposed self-reflection from the Remain campaign, we still see comments like 'Brexiteers dragging us down'. Guess what? The people in Middlesbrough, Grimsby and Barrow who don't have 2 pennies to rub together really don't give a shit if the Waitrose shoppers in Oxford have been 'dragged down' - that was kind of the point of many of their votes. I completely get why people in those towns voted out. I thought about it myself, if only to stick a massive two fingers up at Cameron and Osborne. I find it hard to understand why anyone still wants it now though. I sense a degree of bloody-mindedness in the way some Brexit voters are carrying on. |
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Mar 29, 2019 22:07:49 GMT
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Post by Al on Mar 29, 2019 22:07:49 GMT
Theresa May could go in a crowded pub and hold a vote proposing that she bought everyone in there a beer, and she’d still manage to find a way to lose it. Depends what the beer is on offer tbh |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 29, 2019 22:09:29 GMT
I hope we get thrown out with no deal. How can any body vote for any of these self serving arse holes again 17.4 million actual voters not 6million chances who are upset because they lost. all blockers names need publishing and let's see how they get on in a general election Here we go again - “you lost, respect democracy etc etc etc”. We’d never have general elections and may as well live in the DPRK if that was the case. Democracy is fluid. Another thing some people forget is that every MP represents a constituency, and personally I would say the people in their constituency should be their first priority. If your constituency is a Remain area, you could argue that it would actually be highly undemocratic to blindly force through some sort of Brexit on the basis that it’s what a slight majority of UK-wide voters wanted three years ago, ignoring that the people who actually voted you into parliament don’t want it. There are parts of the country where there are far too many repercussions of Brexit for their MPs to just wave it through. Northern Ireland is the obvious one, but you could even look at Liverpool, which I would hazard a guess has had a lot more help from the EU over the last couple of decades than any UK government, Labour or Tory. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 30, 2019 9:50:10 GMT
Talk of a fourth MV next week. This has got to be an abuse of parliamentary process surely.
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 30, 2019 11:34:10 GMT
What an unedifying spectacle in Parliament Square last night. Absolutely everything I hate about this country on display. If the the Remain March and Rally was a middle class wankfest, what Leave showed was something really unpleasant: fascism and racism brought to the mainstream. The BBC of course, lapped it up. Country has gone to the dogs thanks to the Tories.
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Mar 30, 2019 12:01:37 GMT
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Post by Al on Mar 30, 2019 12:01:37 GMT
Talk of a fourth MV next week. This has got to be an abuse of parliamentary process surely. Can she be forcibly removed from office!? She's a loon |
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Mar 30, 2019 13:30:52 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 30, 2019 13:30:52 GMT
It’s like watching a bluebottle repeatedly fly into the same pane of glass, thinking it will eventually be able to pass through it.
Still, I think she represents the best chance of the Tories losing a General Election, so I hope they stick with her.
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Mar 30, 2019 13:32:45 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 30, 2019 13:32:45 GMT
What an unedifying spectacle in Parliament Square last night. Absolutely everything I hate about this country on display. If the the Remain March and Rally was a middle class wankfest, what Leave showed was something really unpleasant: fascism and racism brought to the mainstream. The BBC of course, lapped it up. Country has gone to the dogs thanks to the Tories. And these “go slow” protests as well. They don’t seem able to make a point without being really bitter and selfish about it. They’re just really irritating people. |
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Mar 30, 2019 21:18:47 GMT
Post by Little Blue Boy on Mar 30, 2019 21:18:47 GMT
The way Emmanual Macron was bouncing around the European Parliament the other week like the best thing since sliced bread, meanwhile, his country is ablaze every weekend and he has a 70% disapproval rating with his electorate. How unedifying that we are at the behest of people like him. Quite understandable why so many voted to Leave.
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Mar 31, 2019 7:49:01 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 31, 2019 7:49:01 GMT
The way Emmanual Macron was bouncing around the European Parliament the other week like the best thing since sliced bread, meanwhile, his country is ablaze every weekend and he has a 70% disapproval rating with his electorate. How unedifying that we are at the behest of people like him. Quite understandable why so many voted to Leave. Leaders come and go, unfortunately the same can’t be said for the knuckle dragging racists bouncing around Parliament Square. Wish the Dibble would be a bit more proactive with them, because if they were trade unionists behaving in that manner (not that they would), they’d have got a right good hiding from Plod. |
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Mar 31, 2019 9:18:53 GMT
Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 31, 2019 9:18:53 GMT
Any fourth vote should be ruled out of order by the speaker, as an abuse of parliamentary power.. She only keeps bringing it back to try and keep the Tories, together. The fate of Brexit now rests with the 47 Labour MP's who abstained or voted against, either the customs union or the confirmatory referendum. the other day.
They need to vote in favour of something. Preferably, the customs union and the single market and the confirmatory referendum and May, is gone.
It then pits her, against the will of parliament and with any luck, it will force her to resign, leading to civil war, in the party and an inreased chance of getting rid of this shower for good.
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Apr 1, 2019 15:06:13 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 1, 2019 15:06:13 GMT
One of the ERG MP's who voted against the deal during MV 1 & 2 but then changed his mind and voted for the deal in MV3 has, once again, changed his mind and announced he'd vote against the deal in an MV4. It's expected more of the ERG types will follow suit.
There's not a shred of dignity among them.
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Apr 1, 2019 17:23:03 GMT
Post by Lobster on Apr 1, 2019 17:23:03 GMT
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Apr 1, 2019 21:36:21 GMT
Post by cheshireblue on Apr 1, 2019 21:36:21 GMT
Well, this continues to go well.
Apart from the usual crap being spouted, not one person is yet to convince me that leaving the EU is right. If you do argue a pro-EU stance, you're usually accused of being a stalker, so there is no point even bothering with the most extreme.
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Apr 1, 2019 23:12:40 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 1, 2019 23:12:40 GMT
As Ken Clarke said. The commons doesnt do politics very well. 33 Peoples vote MPs failed to vote for Common Market2. There needs to be some common ground and compremise, They need to agree on something?
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Apr 2, 2019 6:42:08 GMT
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Post by Al on Apr 2, 2019 6:42:08 GMT
As Ken Clarke said. The commons doesnt do politics very well. 33 Peoples vote MPs failed to vote for Common Market2. There needs to be some common ground and compremise, They need to agree on something? Ken Clarke was superb yesterday. I listened to his speech before the vote and after. In order for any negotiation to succeed it needs compromise to find some sort of common ground. Common Market 2.0 and Permanent Customs Union options will no doubt find a majority given time, which is why May needs to ask for a further extension for at least a year to allow MPs to work together to find a majority. Complete waste of time her trying to bring her deal in again, that has been voted down 3 times with less votes than the two options I've stated above. It'll be interesting what happens next. If May is unwilling to bend with the withdrawal agreement then will they risk a general election if more Tories quit the party ala Nick Boles last night? |
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Apr 2, 2019 6:47:09 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 2, 2019 6:47:09 GMT
Disgraceful that Channel Four have felt the need to apologise for their presenter making a factual statement. White people suddenly don’t like it when they’re all grouped together as minorities have been for generations. |
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Apr 2, 2019 8:22:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 8:22:26 GMT
The thing I don't understand is why we are having all these votes on different exit routes, when there are only three options on the table. No deal, no brexit, or mays deal. No where does EU say pick your best and we will go with it.
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Apr 2, 2019 10:50:31 GMT
Post by Al on Apr 2, 2019 10:50:31 GMT
The thing I don't understand is why we are having all these votes on different exit routes, when there are only three options on the table. No deal, no brexit, or mays deal. No where does EU say pick your best and we will go with it. - No Deal has been rejected by the house in various motions - Revokation has been rejected by the house - Mays deal has been historically rejected by the house 3 times.
The whole point of the discussions is to allow the House to have a right good go at building a consensus for a deal which will command a majority of MPs support.
Those options (all of which have MORE support than Mays failed deal) were:
- Permanent Customs Union - Common Market 2.0 - Confirmatory Referendum
Now, looking at the voting figures from last night.
66 abstained on the vote for a 2nd Ref 89 abstained on the vote for the Permanent Customs Union (the SNP and Plaid Cymru all abstained) 95 abstained on Common Market 2.0
The Tories and DUP block voted against all options, as well as a handful of Labour MPs. In order to find a majority for one of the options they need to be targeting those abstainers. SNP are key for the Permanent Customs Union motion being passed with a majority.
Crashing out with No Deal will be political suicide for the Tories once reality bites for the electorate, therefore it will need May to go cap in hand to the EU and ask for a long term extension until at least next spring, and in which time Parliament can find a majority. Whether May goes with any preferred option remains to be seen but I can imagine there being a VoNC issued again if the house can agree on a preferred option yet May refuses to budge, and then a possible General Election called by either the Government or as the result of a VoNC.
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Apr 2, 2019 11:03:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 11:03:07 GMT
No deal is still on the table of the eu. They believe that's the way it is going
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Apr 2, 2019 11:30:46 GMT
Post by Al on Apr 2, 2019 11:30:46 GMT
No deal is still on the table of the eu. They believe that's the way it is going It remains the default legal position, however, politically it will be suicide for the Tories if they just let us drop out on the 12th |
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Apr 2, 2019 11:59:02 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 2, 2019 11:59:02 GMT
Its becoming increasingly likely that the prospect of no deal will force MP's hands to approve MV4 - which would be an outrage.
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Apr 2, 2019 12:47:40 GMT
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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 2, 2019 12:47:40 GMT
Hilarious to see the Tory-enabling Lib Dems and Blairite war-criminal tribute act TIG vetoing a Customs Union and Single Market last night. As ever, 'social democrats' happy to enable hard-right policies in order to avoid getting their useless, pitiful arses handed to them at a general election.
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