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Apr 2, 2019 12:57:03 GMT
Post by Al on Apr 2, 2019 12:57:03 GMT
Its becoming increasingly likely that the prospect of no deal will force MP's hands to approve MV4 - which would be an outrage. Can't see it being approved. DUP have, at the very least, been consistent in their approach of continuously blocking any motion and a significant enough number of Tories won't back the deal unless the DUP will.
So the most likely outcome is a 12 month extension of the deal, we take part in European Elections, and Parliament get chance to build a majority for a deal in the house.
May will probably refuse to accept any of the alternative options, because lets face it, she's spent the last 3 years not listening to anyone else so she's hardly going to change now. At which point we will be left with no other choice but to head for a General Election.
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Apr 3, 2019 9:47:35 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 3, 2019 9:47:35 GMT
Footage released of grossly disturbing behaviour by British soldiers, and has very worrying implications for what the Military might do if/when Corbyn becomes PM. The Military, in conjunction with the media I’m sure.
A Labour MP was murdered two years ago, a right-wing extremist that attacked a mosque claimed he wanted to kill Corbyn (who has also been assaulted in public by another right-wing extremist), just yesterday we had a conviction for a conspiracy to murder a Labour MP by a far-right thug and Sky News describe footage of British soldiers firing at Jeremy Corbyn as merely “not a good look". Almost a jovial take on the matter.
The left have only partaken in half the battle so far - it’ll become a lot worse than constant and incessant media smears and whipping up of hatred if and when the left get into power, from all sides of the Establishment.
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Apr 3, 2019 10:27:16 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 3, 2019 10:27:16 GMT
Footage released of grossly disturbing behaviour by British soldiers, and has very worrying implications for what the Military might do if/when Corbyn becomes PM. The Military, in conjunction with the media I’m sure. A Labour MP was murdered two years ago, a right-wing extremist that attacked a mosque claimed he wanted to kill Corbyn (who has also been assaulted in public by another right-wing extremist), just yesterday we had a conviction for a conspiracy to murder a Labour MP by a far-right thug and Sky News describe footage of British soldiers firing at Jeremy Corbyn as merely “not a good look". Almost a jovial take on the matter. The left have only partaken in half the battle so far - it’ll become a lot worse than constant and incessant media smears and whipping up of hatred if and when the left get into power, from all sides of the Establishment. Quite bizarre behavior from soldiers this. Budget cuts and ultimately leaving them ill equipped to deal with battle situations was carried out by the Tory's in their austerity program. If its anyone they should be taking aim at, its Fox, Hammond and Fallon. On another side of the spectrum, Corbyn would hardly take them into an illegal war. |
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Apr 3, 2019 10:35:24 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 3, 2019 10:35:24 GMT
Yet you have active serving generals of the Army warning of a direct and public challenge (otherwise known as a MILITARY COUP) if Corbyn became PM: "The army wouldn’t stand for it... people would use whatever means possible, fair or foul to prevent that."
As I said, the left have fought only half the battle so far.
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Apr 5, 2019 9:13:22 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 5, 2019 9:13:22 GMT
Farmers complaining about the consequences of a no deal Brexit and the reality of EU contracts not being renewed. Jesus what did they think was going to happen, by voting Brexit?
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 9, 2019 8:08:33 GMT
Nauseating hypocrisy from the ERG dullards who want a second vote of no confidence in Theresa May because ‘promises have been broken and circumstances have changed’. They either have some brass neck or a startling lack of self-awareness.
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Apr 14, 2019 22:59:41 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 14, 2019 22:59:41 GMT
According to the latest opinion polls. Looks like its carnage for the Tories, who could lose up to 60 seats, with Iain Duncan Smith, Boris Johnson and Amber Rudd losing their seats. Ha! Ha! Bring it on.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 18, 2019 15:10:10 GMT
These latest polls are absolutely cosmic. Labour 10 points ahead of the Tories who are down on 23%.
Who possibly could have predicted that a bunch of war-loving, right-wing Blairite tossers would take more votes from the Tory party than Labour? It's almost as if they were in the wrong party to begin with...
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Apr 21, 2019 6:54:47 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 21, 2019 6:54:47 GMT
For those people on here who still vote Tory. I give you the iconic Margaret Thatchet and her cover up of paedophille and ex-Chezter MP Peter Morrison. Her and the arch bastard Norman Tebbit knew of his penchant for young boys and did nothing. Not surprising given her sponsorship of Jimmy Saville. Just goes to show they have always been a gang of bastards.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 21, 2019 7:04:08 GMT
Not to mention the files then Home Secretary Theresa May “lost”.
Scumbags.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 21, 2019 8:11:38 GMT
Not to mention the files then Home Secretary Theresa May “lost”. Scumbags. Do you mean the 114 lost files concerning the alledged paedophile ring, at Westminster dating from 1979-1990? |
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Apr 24, 2019 11:12:08 GMT
Post by Lobster on Apr 24, 2019 11:12:08 GMT
I see Anne Widdecombe is to stand for the Brexit Party.
Are they deliberately trying to come up with the most unattractive voting prospect possible? They'll be unveiling the Go Compare music as the party's marketing jingle next.
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Apr 24, 2019 17:48:32 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 24, 2019 17:48:32 GMT
I see Anne Widdecombe is to stand for the Brexit Party. Are they deliberately trying to come up with the most unattractive voting prospect possible? They'll be unveiling the Go Compare music as the party's marketing jingle next. Another deeply unpleasant right wing ghoul with a carefully contrived and totally bogus ‘harmless eccentric’ image. Widdecombe is no friend of working people but unfortunately Brexshit blinds people to such matters. |
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May 3, 2019 5:25:08 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on May 3, 2019 5:25:08 GMT
It may only be the locals but it's been a tough night for Labour and the Tories, as expected. As the only party with a clear and consistent Brexit policy, it's encouraging to see the Lib Dems making gains.
Maybe those polls I mentioned a few weeks ago that suggested widespread dissatisfaction with Labour's chaotic handling of Brexit (obviously as well as the dreadful Tories) weren't so daft after all chaps?
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May 3, 2019 8:39:53 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 3, 2019 8:39:53 GMT
Let’s forget the fact that Labour’s policy on Brexit has been clear and consistent from the start, plus how can they “handle” Brexit exactly, without being in government?
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May 3, 2019 8:47:44 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on May 3, 2019 8:47:44 GMT
That's the way, if all else fails an unwillingness to looks facts in the face will see you through.
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May 3, 2019 9:06:46 GMT
Post by Lobster on May 3, 2019 9:06:46 GMT
The thing is, the European election are coming up at the end of the month, and no doubt this Brexit Party bollocks will get the most votes.
The whole Brexit situation is so unhealthy. It's completely polarised the country and it's like nobody can debate anything else.
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May 3, 2019 15:11:27 GMT
Post by Lobster on May 3, 2019 15:11:27 GMT
Just read that if the council election voting patterns were to be repeated in a general election, Tories and Labour would only get 28% of the vote each - way down from 42% and 40% two years ago.
Don't think that would happen though. People vote differently in council elections. In a general election, people will vote Labour just because they hate the Tories, and will vote Tory because they're frightened of Corbyn.
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May 3, 2019 16:08:03 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on May 3, 2019 16:08:03 GMT
Just read that if the council election voting patterns were to be repeated in a general election, Tories and Labour would only get 28% of the vote each - way down from 42% and 40% two years ago. Don't think that would happen though. People vote differently in council elections. In a general election, people will vote Labour just because they hate the Tories, and will vote Tory because they're frightened of Corbyn. Agree but there's clearly been widespread dismay with the two main parties for a prolonged period of time now. The Tories become more laughable by the day with a totally discredited leader and Labour just don't seem to be making big enough inroads to make you think they could get a majority at the next election. Head burying and pretending that the problem lies with the voters or mainstream media isn't the answer for Con or Lab supporters. |
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May 3, 2019 16:20:52 GMT
Post by Lobster on May 3, 2019 16:20:52 GMT
Just read that if the council election voting patterns were to be repeated in a general election, Tories and Labour would only get 28% of the vote each - way down from 42% and 40% two years ago. Don't think that would happen though. People vote differently in council elections. In a general election, people will vote Labour just because they hate the Tories, and will vote Tory because they're frightened of Corbyn. Agree but there's clearly been widespread dismay with the two main parties for a prolonged period of time now. The Tories become more laughable by the day with a totally discredited leader and Labour just don't seem to be making big enough inroads to make you think they could get a majority at the next election. Head burying and pretending that the problem lies with the voters or mainstream media isn't the answer for Con or Lab supporters. True but the reality is that Labour and the Conservatives are the only parties who have any chance of getting the most votes, and that reflects how people vote. The Tories' main slogan in the last election was basically 'vote for us or you get Corbyn'. Likewise a lot of people like myself (I don't really consider Labour to be my party) end up voting Labour just because it's the only chance of stopping the Conservatives.
It's a pretty depressing system.
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May 8, 2019 17:03:17 GMT
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Post by Lobster on May 8, 2019 17:03:17 GMT
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May 12, 2019 13:12:36 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on May 12, 2019 13:12:36 GMT
Absolutely hilarious to see Change UK polling at 2%. It'll go lower. Seems that not so many people are looking for the sort of change Chris Leslie and Chuka Umunna have to offer after all  Just further evidence of how utterly useless the Remain campaign is. Almost 4 years on from the referendum and they still couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery. The Brexit Party has literally been around for a couple of weeks, has a load of candidates most people have never heard of and yet they're already uniting far more people behind them then the constituent 'Remain' parties put together. |
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May 12, 2019 18:14:03 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on May 12, 2019 18:14:03 GMT
Absolutely hilarious to see Change UK polling at 2%. It'll go lower. Seems that not so many people are looking for the sort of change Chris Leslie and Chuka Umunna have to offer after all Just further evidence of how utterly useless the Remain campaign is. Almost 4 years on from the referendum and they still couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery. The Brexit Party has literally been around for a couple of weeks, has a load of candidates most people have never heard of and yet they're already uniting far more people behind them then the constituent 'Remain' parties put together. The Brexit Party is the ultimate one-trick pony and with regards to them uniting people, spite and hatred are really effective motivators. |
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May 13, 2019 11:15:10 GMT
Post by Lobster on May 13, 2019 11:15:10 GMT
The mistake Change UK have made is that they've presumed that everyone know is anti-Brexit wants another referendum and thinks the EU is fantastic. Also, idealogically Labour and the Conservatives should be chalk and cheese, so why would anyone vote for this coming together of Tories who aren't conservatives and Labour MPs who aren't socialists to create a simpering middle ground of nothingness? I think I'd sooner vote for the Brexit Party!
I think most people now just want an end to this. I'm siding at the moment with let's just do it, take the hit, and have a vote on whether it's been a success in a year or two. Sometimes the only way to show what a bad idea something is is to go through with it.
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May 13, 2019 11:39:12 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 13, 2019 11:39:12 GMT
The mistake Change UK have made is that they've presumed that everyone know is anti-Brexit wants another referendum and thinks the EU is fantastic. Also, idealogically Labour and the Conservatives should be chalk and cheese, so why would anyone vote for this coming together of Tories who aren't conservatives and Labour MPs who aren't socialists to create a simpering middle ground of nothingness? I think I'd sooner vote for the Brexit Party! I think most people now just want an end to this. I'm siding at the moment with let's just do it, take the hit, and have a vote on whether it's been a success in a year or two. Sometimes the only way to show what a bad idea something is is to go through with it. Indeed the Lib Dem’s are the “centrist” party and they aren’t polling well at all - although jumping into bed with the Tories in 2010 demonstrates they aren’t particularly “liberal”. As for the Brexit party I’m amazed that the irony of an anti-EU party wanting you to vote for them to join the EU gravy train is lost on so many people but then a lot of voters are idiots. |
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Post by Little Blue Boy on May 13, 2019 17:27:39 GMT
Change UK have next to zero appeal outside the metropolitan liberal bubble of London or the local Waitrose. Complete melts.
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May 22, 2019 6:09:19 GMT
Post by Lobster on May 22, 2019 6:09:19 GMT
I have a feeling Change UK will do a bit better than expected. Not great, but better than the opinion polls are indicating. It's a bit like how not many people out themselves as Tories. It's not very cool to be a Remainer, but a lot of people are quietly frightened about the prospects of Brexit that might be reflected in the votes. I think it's the wrong option though.
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May 22, 2019 7:54:04 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 22, 2019 7:54:04 GMT
Only Labour are speaking for the 100% and only Labour are can stop the rise of fascism in this country.
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May 22, 2019 9:16:17 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on May 22, 2019 9:16:17 GMT
Only Labour are speaking for the 100% and only Labour are can stop the rise of fascism in this country. This isn't a Stalinist country, even if Corbyn wants it to be, you are allowed to admit that Labour are just as much of a shambles as the Tories on Brexit. |
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May 22, 2019 9:52:39 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 22, 2019 9:52:39 GMT
Only Labour are speaking for the 100% and only Labour are can stop the rise of fascism in this country. This isn't a Stalinist country, even if Corbyn wants it to be, you are allowed to admit that Labour are just as much of a shambles as the Tories on Brexit. On the contrary, Corbyn has played a blinder on Brexit - we may well have an upcoming GE. As for your “Stalinist” remark it’s laughable that you’re trotting stuff like that out in relation to the leader of the opposition. When are you going to tick IRA, Hamas and antisemitism off your checklist? |
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