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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 23, 2019 21:36:24 GMT
Nauseating hypocrisy from Captain ‘People like you’. Dry your eyes mate! I couldn’t care less, ‘mate’. |
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Jul 24, 2019 0:43:36 GMT
Post by everhopeful on Jul 24, 2019 0:43:36 GMT
Once again - stop the personal insults!! Debate properly or just read it and disagree in your mind.
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Jul 24, 2019 10:17:40 GMT
Post by jb on Jul 24, 2019 10:17:40 GMT
Communist Corbyn wants to lower inheritance tax and in addition add a land tax. Basically giving the state the right too pillage a person’s estate for “the greater good”. A communist ideology if ever there was one wouldn’t you agree? As for Mancot he is clearly jealous of those who’ve worked hard and achieved their goals as he believes everyone who is successful has just been handed it on a plate. Another communist ideology if ever there was one. Just as with Stalinism, you have zero idea what Communism is. This really isn't rocket science. A cursory glance at a secondary school politics textbook could teach you this stuff. There wouldn't be any private land in a communist state as it would all be the property of the state/society and therefore there would not be any form of land tax because the state would be placing a tax onto itself. Also - believing "everyone who is successful has just been handed it on a plate" is not an ideology. So we'll add ideology to the growing list of words you don't know the meaning of but like to throw around like confetti. Well done on that synopsis on Communism. Delivered like a speech from Karl Marx. Even Corbyn is not daft enough to come out with the fundamental principle of Communism in his manifesto. If he were to do so he would take a bigger kicking in the General Election than he did in the European Elections! Instead Land Tax, lowering inheritance to ridiculous low levels just show his radical left "ideology". I'm not even going to argue with you about your last paragraph other than to say keep up that "superior than thou" attitude it really suits you. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 24, 2019 11:38:50 GMT
Playing devil's advocate a bit here. A UN report last year ( inews.co.uk/news/uk/14-million-in-poverty-in-the-uk/ ) found that 14 million people in the Britain are living in poverty - a fifth of the population - and the author of the report criticises Britain's austerity measures. Phillip Hammond recently denied that these people are in poverty and argued that they are "struggling with the cost of living" (what exactly the difference is being poor and not being able to afford to live I'm not sure). In the City of Chester, more than a quarter of children (25.9%) are living in poverty. In Liverpool, this rises to 41.9% - www.endchildpoverty.org.uk/poverty-in-your-area-2019/In a developed nation, these figures are completely unacceptable, and while having to raise inheritance tax is unfortunate, is there an argument that something "radical" does need to be done to tackle the problems with health, crime, education and countless other areas that such widespread poverty will inevitably create? Because despite what certain sections of the media would have you believe, most people living in poverty are actually no less "hard working" than those who have managed to scrape together a bit of a nest egg. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jul 24, 2019 11:49:52 GMT
Just as with Stalinism, you have zero idea what Communism is. This really isn't rocket science. A cursory glance at a secondary school politics textbook could teach you this stuff. There wouldn't be any private land in a communist state as it would all be the property of the state/society and therefore there would not be any form of land tax because the state would be placing a tax onto itself. Also - believing "everyone who is successful has just been handed it on a plate" is not an ideology. So we'll add ideology to the growing list of words you don't know the meaning of but like to throw around like confetti. Well done on that synopsis on Communism. Delivered like a speech from Karl Marx. Even Corbyn is not daft enough to come out with the fundamental principle of Communism in his manifesto. If he were to do so he would take a bigger kicking in the General Election than he did in the European Elections! Instead Land Tax, lowering inheritance to ridiculous low levels just show his radical left "ideology". I'm not even going to argue with you about your last paragraph other than to say keep up that "superior than thou" attitude it really suits you. The point is, your arguments are reflective of a worrying wider trend in our society which is the use of words with a total disregard for their meaning, just to make cheap political points. All the while fanning the flames of further division in an already polarised landscape. It doesn't just happen on the right or in the centre either - people on the left constantly throw around words like 'fascist' and 'Nazi' to describe people like Farage and Boris Johnson. Yeah, they might be right-wing Thatcherite shitheads, but they aren't fascists. And then we have people on the centre and the right who just shout 'Communist' or 'Stalinist' at anybody to the left of Tony Blair. It's actually stupidly counter-productive as well because by telling huge swathes of the population that they're either on the 'far-left' for supporting Corbyn, or on the 'far-right' for supporting Johnson or Farage, you legitimise and normalise the extremes by whacking them all under the same umbrella. Because guess what, if Corbyn is a 'communist' and Farage is a 'Nazi' you are going to need to come up with new words to describe the actual communists and Nazi's. |
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Jul 24, 2019 15:53:41 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jul 24, 2019 15:53:41 GMT
Playing devil's advocate a bit here. A UN report last year ( inews.co.uk/news/uk/14-million-in-poverty-in-the-uk/ ) found that 14 million people in the Britain are living in poverty - a fifth of the population - and the author of the report criticises Britain's austerity measures. Phillip Hammond recently denied that these people are in poverty and argued that they are "struggling with the cost of living" (what exactly the difference is being poor and not being able to afford to live I'm not sure). In the City of Chester, more than a quarter of children (25.9%) are living in poverty. In Liverpool, this rises to 41.9% - www.endchildpoverty.org.uk/poverty-in-your-area-2019/In a developed nation, these figures are completely unacceptable, and while having to raise inheritance tax is unfortunate, is there an argument that something "radical" does need to be done to tackle the problems with health, crime, education and countless other areas that such widespread poverty will inevitably create? Because despite what certain sections of the media would have you believe, most people living in poverty are actually no less "hard working" than those who have managed to scrape together a bit of a nest egg. Ah, the nasty media strikes again. I do get where you're coming from though, it's just that I don't believe that all those with "nest eggs" are as wealthy as some on this thread have deceptively portrayed and certainly don't deserve to be plundered. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 24, 2019 16:55:05 GMT
Playing devil's advocate a bit here. A UN report last year ( inews.co.uk/news/uk/14-million-in-poverty-in-the-uk/ ) found that 14 million people in the Britain are living in poverty - a fifth of the population - and the author of the report criticises Britain's austerity measures. Phillip Hammond recently denied that these people are in poverty and argued that they are "struggling with the cost of living" (what exactly the difference is being poor and not being able to afford to live I'm not sure). In the City of Chester, more than a quarter of children (25.9%) are living in poverty. In Liverpool, this rises to 41.9% - www.endchildpoverty.org.uk/poverty-in-your-area-2019/In a developed nation, these figures are completely unacceptable, and while having to raise inheritance tax is unfortunate, is there an argument that something "radical" does need to be done to tackle the problems with health, crime, education and countless other areas that such widespread poverty will inevitably create? Because despite what certain sections of the media would have you believe, most people living in poverty are actually no less "hard working" than those who have managed to scrape together a bit of a nest egg. Ah, the nasty media strikes again. I do get where you're coming from though, it's just that I don't believe that all those with "nest eggs" are as wealthy as some on this thread have deceptively portrayed and certainly don't deserve to be plundered. I just object somewhat to the notion that people who have saved up, paid off their mortgage etc. are hard-working while those who haven't are lazy and scroungers, and certain section of the media do perpetuate this myth. Either the Mail or the Express ran a story a while ago where they sent people to food banks to see if they could blag supplies, and then expressed outrage that they were giving handouts to anybody. Basically a story of no journalistic value that served only to demonise the poor and the kind-hearted volunteers who help them. I'm not sure hammering inheritance is the answer, but at the risk of sounding simplistic, I think we should strive to be a country where everyone at least has what they need even if it means not everyone gets what they want. And in a way, there's a degree of entitlement culture about inheritance, isn't there? You're getting money because of who you're related to, not because you've earned it. Maybe people should enjoy spending their money while they're still alive - on their kids, if they wish. |
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 24, 2019 17:59:01 GMT
On another note, does anyone else think we've just kind of sleepwalked into having Boris Johnson as prime minister? I'm surprised there haven't been major protests about this. It's like everyone's just worn down with politics and we've accepted that if America has a ridiculous president, we might as well follow suit. I don’t think we’ve sleepwalked into it, it’s the lack of scrutiny from the mass media at large to call him out as the right wing fascist he is that’s helped facilitate this. His record is so toxic he shouldn’t be anywhere near a leadership election, never mind winning one. There have been some protests against him becoming prime minister, there’s another one planned for today in London. The main media outlets may not report on it though. Good post ~~~ I took the trouble to read up on Johnson last year and he's the ultimate 'nothing sticks to him' bloke. He really is unfit to rule. I would suggest that his only job is to completely destroy Corbyn and his cabal then disappear into the ether. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jul 24, 2019 18:09:59 GMT
Ah, the nasty media strikes again. I do get where you're coming from though, it's just that I don't believe that all those with "nest eggs" are as wealthy as some on this thread have deceptively portrayed and certainly don't deserve to be plundered. I just object somewhat to the notion that people who have saved up, paid off their mortgage etc. are hard-working while those who haven't are lazy and scroungers, and certain section of the media do perpetuate this myth. Either the Mail or the Express ran a story a while ago where they sent people to food banks to see if they could blag supplies, and then expressed outrage that they were giving handouts to anybody. Basically a story of no journalistic value that served only to demonise the poor and the kind-hearted volunteers who help them. I'm not sure hammering inheritance is the answer, but at the risk of sounding simplistic, I think we should strive to be a country where everyone at least has what they need even if it means not everyone gets what they want. And in a way, there's a degree of entitlement culture about inheritance, isn't there? You're getting money because of who you're related to, not because you've earned it. Maybe people should enjoy spending their money while they're still alive - on their kids, if they wish. Fair points although I, personally, believe if someone wants to and has the means to leave their children/grandchildren money etc behind then it's not something we should be ashmed of as a society. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 2:05:45 GMT
- people on the left constantly throw around words like 'fascist' and 'Nazi' to describe people like Farage and Boris Johnson. Yeah, they might be right-wing Thatcherite shitheads, but they aren't fascists......It's actually stupidly counter-productive as well because by telling huge swathes of the population that they're......on the 'far-right' for supporting Johnson or Farage, you legitimise and normalise the extremes by whacking them all under the same umbrella. That’s exactly the problem. By not calling these people out as fascists you’re legitimizing and normalizing their actions and so it becomes part of public political discourse. They shouldn’t be given the time of day, and even if they were, they should be called out for their racism and lies, every single time. Fascism doesn’t happen instantly, it can take a number of years before it smothers a nation:- - It begins with nationalism, “Take back control”, turning into, “Send them back”, then comes the violence. - Anti democratic referendums (2016 Ref. breaks Good Friday Agreement/Leave campaign found to have broken the law). - Disdain for human rights (BJ’s remarks that child abuse victims aren’t worth a public enquiry). - Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause (Corbyn). - Controlled, or lack of reporting facts & truths, mass media (you choose). - Cronyism and corruption (Dominic Cummings, now senior adviser at No. 10, led Leave campaign and held in contempt of Parliament, as just one example) - Holding a state visit for Trump (people are dying in concentration camps in his country). To quote somebody else, “Recognize the signs of fascism to stop fascism. We forget the lessons of history at our peril.” |
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Jul 25, 2019 7:10:09 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 25, 2019 7:10:09 GMT
I just object somewhat to the notion that people who have saved up, paid off their mortgage etc. are hard-working while those who haven't are lazy and scroungers, and certain section of the media do perpetuate this myth. Either the Mail or the Express ran a story a while ago where they sent people to food banks to see if they could blag supplies, and then expressed outrage that they were giving handouts to anybody. Basically a story of no journalistic value that served only to demonise the poor and the kind-hearted volunteers who help them. I'm not sure hammering inheritance is the answer, but at the risk of sounding simplistic, I think we should strive to be a country where everyone at least has what they need even if it means not everyone gets what they want. And in a way, there's a degree of entitlement culture about inheritance, isn't there? You're getting money because of who you're related to, not because you've earned it. Maybe people should enjoy spending their money while they're still alive - on their kids, if they wish. Fair points although I, personally, believe if someone wants to and has the means to leave their children/grandchildren money etc behind then it's not something we should be ashmed of as a society. Nobody said it was. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jul 25, 2019 9:33:45 GMT
Fair points although I, personally, believe if someone wants to and has the means to leave their children/grandchildren money etc behind then it's not something we should be ashmed of as a society. Nobody said it was. Oh... |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jul 29, 2019 15:18:49 GMT
Lets hope no local Brexiteers work at Vauxhalls?. Who would have thought that making cross border trade harder, would lead to factory closures?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 31, 2019 11:52:47 GMT
Looks like the Greens are pro-fracking these days. Politics in this country eh?
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Post by Lobster on Aug 1, 2019 6:40:59 GMT
Looks like the Greens are pro-fracking these days. Politics in this country eh? What makes you say that? Wouldn't surprise me as I do think the Greens have lost the plot a bit in the last few years. Basically, their voters like Corbyn, but it seems like because he's from a different party, they're going out of their way to find things to disagree with him on, even if it means contradicting the party's ideologies. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 1, 2019 6:47:19 GMT
You’ve answered your question there. Coming out in favour of a “progressive” (ha!) alliance with Swinson and the Lib Dem’s - Swinson of course served in pro-austerity coalition government and has received donations linked to fracking and oil; Corbyn attended an anti-fracking demonstration in Lancashire earlier this week and wants to ban it.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 3, 2019 12:23:24 GMT
You’ve answered your question there. Coming out in favour of a “progressive” (ha!) alliance with Swinson and the Lib Dem’s - Swinson of course served in pro-austerity coalition government and has received donations linked to fracking and oil; Corbyn attended an anti-fracking demonstration in Lancashire earlier this week and wants to ban it. This is why I really hate Brexit. It's so tribal. People who should be having nothing to do with each other are jumping into bed together just because they share an opinion on whether we should be in the EU or not - often for completely different reasons. Cameron and Osborne were pro-Remain, let's not forget.
Brexit is one issue among thousands facing the country. It's not something parties should be selling their core principles over. This is why I've edged even more towards Labour in recent years, as they're the only party I hear telling me that Brexit isn't the only thing going on at the moment.
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Aug 4, 2019 8:10:04 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 4, 2019 8:10:04 GMT
The government will now be spending five times more on No Deal Brexit propaganda than it will be spending helping councils prepare for a No Deal Brexit.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 11, 2019 12:59:52 GMT
Let's all take a moment to appreciate that UKIP have appointed a new leader called Dick Braine.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 15, 2019 8:14:12 GMT
Bit of a mess isn't it... Nearly two years after this post...... |
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Aug 15, 2019 8:52:55 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 15, 2019 8:52:55 GMT
Bit of a mess isn't it... Nearly two years after this post...... It’s the Tory way though: promise everything, deliver nothing, blame everybody else. |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 15, 2019 12:39:05 GMT
Classy tweet from the Leave campaign's biggest donor.
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Post by jb on Aug 15, 2019 17:02:36 GMT
Nearly two years after this post...... It’s the Tory way though: promise everything, deliver nothing, blame everybody else. And all Corbyn can do is keep blubbering about “a vote of no confidence”. Must be getting into double figures now with those is Jezza. Maybe time for an enquiry. He loves one of those. |
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Aug 15, 2019 18:10:56 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 15, 2019 18:10:56 GMT
It’s the Tory way though: promise everything, deliver nothing, blame everybody else. And all Corbyn can do is keep blubbering about “a vote of no confidence”. Must be getting into double figures now with those is Jezza. Maybe time for an enquiry. He loves one of those. One vote of no confidence can hardly be described as double figures. With those maths skills you should be working for Sajid Javid and his magic money tree. |
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Post by jb on Aug 16, 2019 11:41:41 GMT
And all Corbyn can do is keep blubbering about “a vote of no confidence”. Must be getting into double figures now with those is Jezza. Maybe time for an enquiry. He loves one of those. One vote of no confidence can hardly be described as double figures. With those maths skills you should be working for Sajid Javid and his magic money tree. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration on my part! However, if you also added the votes of no confidence (and proposed) that his own party have made against Jezza you'd probably get into double figures. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 20, 2019 10:48:18 GMT
In light of the Yellowhammer Report being exposed in the Sunday Times, would any Brexiteer on here please explain to me the upsides of Brexit? It is a polite request and in good faith.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 13:02:15 GMT
I have read and heard that this was an old document. And things are a lot more advanced since borris came in. Truth or lies. Can you honestly believe 100% any m p regardless of party. Corbyn calls borris an unelected pm yet thinks he should take control of parliament and be an unelected pm. In my opinion nobody knows what will happen. But I do know for some strange reason the eu does not want us to leave.
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 20, 2019 13:18:35 GMT
I have read and heard that this was an old document. And things are a lot more advanced since borris came in. Truth or lies. Can you honestly believe 100% any m p regardless of party. Corbyn calls borris an unelected pm yet thinks he should take control of parliament and be an unelected pm. In my opinion nobody knows what will happen. But I do know for some strange reason the eu does not want us to leave. The leaked document was dated 1 August 2019, after Johnson became PM. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 13:55:10 GMT
Makes no difference when it was dated nobody can honestly say what will happen pure speculation by everybody including me. How many goods do we import through n Ireland, why not direct to main land UK. Seems odd to me but like I say I dont know
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 21, 2019 16:00:31 GMT
In light of the Yellowhammer Report being exposed in the Sunday Times, would any Brexiteer on here please explain to me the upsides of Brexit? It is a polite request and in good faith. Only a complete and utter imbecile would still be supporting this shit show. |
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