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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 16:59:39 GMT
Polite request or not apparently if any body dares to disagree with midfield you are an absolute idiot. Classic
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Aug 21, 2019 17:48:22 GMT
Post by Lobster on Aug 21, 2019 17:48:22 GMT
Calling people idiots doesn't help.
I'm just fed up of Brexit now. It's brought out the worst in everybody. Families have fallen out, appalling bigots think they're in the right, and everything else is being forgotten about. Five years ago, was European Union membership really this big a deal to the average Brit?
I'm far more bothered that Boris effing Johnson is now prime minister than I am about whether we're in the EU or not.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 22, 2019 12:00:51 GMT
Quite simply you dont need to be a genius to see that Brexit is a right wing coup. Nothing less. Its fair to assume that Brexit will directly lead to the break up of the UK, with independence for Scotland and a vote on a united Ireland. When Farage talks about freedom from the EU and cutting red tape.what they really mean is doing away with food standarda, health and safety legislation and workers rights. Minimum working hours directives, maternity pay, holiday pay, sick pay, pensions, will all comevunder attack post Brexit. How long do you thibk they would last, without European protection? Dont believe me. IDS is already talking about raising thevpension age to 75. What will the Tory election slogan be? Work is Freedom? What the Tories and mixed rag bag of the far right want, is a a workforce on zero hour contracts, basically working until they die. The NHS is directly threatened by the idiot Patels threat to end freedom of movement, directly after Brexit, due to staff shortages. What Eurpean Doctor or Nurse would want to work here with the toxic environment created? The elderly, the poor and the sick are likely to be the first to suffer.Who will disproportionately be Brexit voters. The biggest prize for America, for any trade deal, which we will be desperate to sign will be American drug companies access to the NHS and paying US prices for NHS drugs. The drift into mindĺess Nationalism needs to be challenged and stopped by any means possible
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Post by catfordbags on Aug 23, 2019 20:47:02 GMT
Communist Corbyn wants to lower inheritance tax and in addition add a land tax. Basically giving the state the right too pillage a person’s estate for “the greater good”. A communist ideology if ever there was one wouldn’t you agree? As for Mancot he is clearly jealous of those who’ve worked hard and achieved their goals as he believes everyone who is successful has just been handed it on a plate. Another communist ideology if ever there was one. For anyone interested, Labours policy paper about Land reform is actually worth a read --- they use it to try and tackle many issues in a pragmatic way including inequality and the house price to income ratio. Unfortunately some sections of the press had a preference to turn it into something different. I'd recommend giving it a whirl..... ………. land for the many
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Aug 26, 2019 19:48:25 GMT
Post by Lobster on Aug 26, 2019 19:48:25 GMT
Boris is now saying it's every MP's job to deliver Brexit. No it isn't. He's fundamentally wrong there and is showing that he either doesn't understand democracy or (more likely) is being deliberately obtuse and is trying to appeal to the populist Brexit crowd as usual.
Every MP's job is to serve their constituency. In mine (Wirral West), Labour won by a landslide, and that was NOT on the back of any pledge to force through a right-wing withdrawal from the EU.
Yet again, certain characters are trying to convince us that Brexit is the be all and end all of politics right now.
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Aug 27, 2019 11:23:28 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 27, 2019 11:23:28 GMT
Meanwhile under Swinson, the Lib Dem’s have now positioned themselves as the party of No Deal Brexit. Yet another betrayal of their support from these bunch of yellow Tories.
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Aug 28, 2019 14:05:55 GMT
Post by Lobster on Aug 28, 2019 14:05:55 GMT
Boris has planned this out years in advance, I suspect. A deeply manipulative, conniving and dangerous man.
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Aug 28, 2019 14:54:35 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 28, 2019 14:54:35 GMT
It’s a right wing coup, nothing less, using Brexshit as a cover. Be very afraid.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 28, 2019 15:59:17 GMT
Time to take to the streets, in our thousands, in defence of democracy.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 28, 2019 16:34:36 GMT
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Aug 28, 2019 16:48:43 GMT
Post by wendel on Aug 28, 2019 16:48:43 GMT
I'm sure that'll work.
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Aug 28, 2019 17:00:57 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 28, 2019 17:00:57 GMT
Doing nothing won't work either.
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Aug 28, 2019 18:17:50 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 28, 2019 18:17:50 GMT
The government should have been stood up to a long long time ago.
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Post by everhopeful on Aug 28, 2019 22:05:23 GMT
This is exactly the way Hitler got to power in the 1930's. If Johnson and his ilk are not stopped, we run the risk of a civil war.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 29, 2019 6:36:13 GMT
If only we had an opposition party with a strong voice......
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 29, 2019 7:55:16 GMT
What needs to happen is that the backlash against the suspension of parliament, needs to be turned into a counter revolution against this right wing coup. The old unwritten constitution with a heriditary monarch at its head needs to be swept away. Its not fit for purpose. There needs to be an immediate no confidence vote in the unelected autocrat Johnson.
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 29, 2019 8:01:01 GMT
If only we had an opposition party with a strong voice...... We do, it’s just that the broadcast media wilfully and actively ignore it. The BBC One News at 6 two days ago was a classic example: after the meeting of opposition parties, Corbyn was given 10 seconds of air time (speaking one sentence to camera) whereas a speech by Nigel Farage at a minor rally was given almost a minute of air time. It is no mystery that Labour performs better during General Elections, as the BBC, ITV and Sky are legally required to give equal coverage to both main parties. Finally, if we didn’t have an effective Opposition, why is Boris Johnson shutting down Parliament?
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Aug 29, 2019 8:54:33 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 29, 2019 8:54:33 GMT
Unfortunately Labour's position on Brexit has looked confused at best.
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Aug 29, 2019 9:23:17 GMT
Post by Lobster on Aug 29, 2019 9:23:17 GMT
Unfortunately Labour's position on Brexit has looked confused at best. I think that's why I generally support it! I'm confused as well, but I tend to think the best option now would be to go through with it and make the best we can of the situation. The referendum wasn't Labour's idea, when all is said and done.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Aug 29, 2019 9:52:05 GMT
I have to say, I was really enjoying the optics of all the middle-class royalists who fawn over their newspapers every time a "royal baby" is born being absolutely shellshocked that an unelected and obscenely privileged head of state wouldn't stand up to an unelected and obscenely privileged Prime Minister.
It's almost as if having unelected and obscenely privileged people in charge........ is a bad idea.
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Aug 29, 2019 11:26:09 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 29, 2019 11:26:09 GMT
If only we had an opposition party with a strong voice...... We do, it’s just that the broadcast media wilfully and actively ignore it. The BBC One News at 6 two days ago was a classic example: after the meeting of opposition parties, Corbyn was given 10 seconds of air time (speaking one sentence to camera) whereas a speech by Nigel Farage at a minor rally was given almost a minute of air time. It is no mystery that Labour performs better during General Elections, as the BBC, ITV and Sky are legally required to give equal coverage to both main parties. Finally, if we didn’t have an effective Opposition, why is Boris Johnson shutting down Parliament? I assume eyeswideopen was being sarcastic and probably agrees with you. If not, I’d be concerned for his mental capacity...
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Aug 29, 2019 14:22:43 GMT
Post by Lobster on Aug 29, 2019 14:22:43 GMT
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Aug 29, 2019 17:52:10 GMT
Post by wendel on Aug 29, 2019 17:52:10 GMT
Doing nothing won't work either. Did it work?
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 29, 2019 18:37:15 GMT
Doing nothing won't work either. Did it work? Early days yet, but if the Tories are going to circumvent Parliamentary democracy, civil disobedience and mass protests is certainly something we should engage in. As Edmund Burke said ‘the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’. Time to hit the streets Comrades.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 29, 2019 18:59:20 GMT
Early days yet, but if the Tories are going to circumvent Parliamentary democracy, civil disobedience and mass protests is certainly something we should engage in. As Edmund Burke said ‘the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’. Time to hit the streets Comrades. i m in
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Aug 29, 2019 20:04:39 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 29, 2019 20:04:39 GMT
#metoo
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Aug 30, 2019 6:22:37 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 30, 2019 6:22:37 GMT
Early days yet, but if the Tories are going to circumvent Parliamentary democracy, civil disobedience and mass protests is certainly something we should engage in. As Edmund Burke said ‘the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’. Time to hit the streets Comrades. Civil disobedience and mass protests targeted at the right people though. Business and the high street have been decimated enough in recent years without mobs of people smashing in shops and burning cars of people who may have the same idealisms. Lets remember it was her Royal highness herself who ultimately signed off on this, even though a hard Brexit will rubber stamp the break up of the UK when Scotland vote to leave in order to remain (Sturgeons position on this strengthened even more after yesterdays resignation) So if you do take to the streets make sure its down the Mall and head straight for the palace, or Windsor Castle, Balmoral, or the other parasites residences up and down the country. The police reaction to that would be much more of an eye catcher to the worlds media than smashing a few shops up Tottenham.
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Aug 30, 2019 6:44:25 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 30, 2019 6:44:25 GMT
Early days yet, but if the Tories are going to circumvent Parliamentary democracy, civil disobedience and mass protests is certainly something we should engage in. As Edmund Burke said ‘the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’. Time to hit the streets Comrades. Civil disobedience and mass protests targeted at the right people though. Business and the high street have been decimated enough in recent years without mobs of people smashing in shops and burning cars of people who may have the same idealisms. Lets remember it was her Royal highness herself who ultimately signed off on this, even though a hard Brexit will rubber stamp the break up of the UK when Scotland vote to leave in order to remain (Sturgeons position on this strengthened even more after yesterdays resignation) So if you do take to the streets make sure its down the Mall and head straight for the palace, or Windsor Castle, Balmoral, or the other parasites residences up and down the country. The police reaction to that would be much more of an eye catcher to the worlds media than smashing a few shops up Tottenham. Exactly, why we need a written constitution and a bill of rights. Paliament has been suspended by an unelected leader, of a minority government and a 93 year old heriditary monarch. Its like something out of Tzarist Russia. Lol
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Aug 30, 2019 9:04:56 GMT
Post by Lobster on Aug 30, 2019 9:04:56 GMT
I'm not normally one to stick up for the Royals, but the Queen basically has no choice but to go along with it. It's just an archaic, pantomime process that has to be gone through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 12:01:34 GMT
I still find it odd that we keep hearing about an unelected pm. Yet the same people would accept corbyn as an unelected pm if Labour, lib dems, and all other bits and pieces decided to take over parliament none of whom would have been elected as leaders. Makes no sense to me. Or maybe it's because you just didn't vote tory. By the way neither did I but that's called democracy so I go with the majority
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