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Oct 24, 2019 5:49:48 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 24, 2019 5:49:48 GMT
Wow I forgot Mr pedantic was on this post. I don't have time to trawl through statistics so I made that one up. I'm sure you have the exact figures to hand. I believe 50 odd Labour seats are held in brexit voting areas. Yet they continually defy the people who put them there. By the way I always voted Labour until that guy who said. It won't affect the pound in your pocket. But guess what it did. You may be socialist but for god sake give other people a right to their own opinion. I also worked and lived in communist poland for two years I didn't like that either Hardly pedantic mate - you threw a statistic out, I asked you for proof and then you said there isn’t any because you made it up. You’d fit right in on the front bench of this Government. I can see you’ve since done some research, fair enough, but as has been pointed out there same argument can be made for the reverse situation with some Tory MPs. Don’t see what you’re getting at with the “Communist Poland” stuff - what’s its relevance? As for JB, I’m still waiting for you to tell us what’s happening in Venezuela. |
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Oct 24, 2019 6:45:18 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 24, 2019 6:45:18 GMT
dr google tells me 70% conservative and 60% labour constituancies voted leave .this is why i believe a general election will sort the lot out irrespective of which party Actually, I think massive tactical voting by remain and lowering the voting age to 16 could see off Johnson and the Tories. Also, the grim reaper has been getting through, mostly leave voters at the rate if 5000 a week. And by pure demographuc changes the Uk, probably has a remain majority? |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 24, 2019 8:20:44 GMT
As asked previously to another poster, what electoral fraud? A classic example of how the Tory-led media has brainwashed people into believing an issue is bigger and more serious than reality, and without providing any real evidence: a bit like healthcare tourism or Labour Anti-Semitism. Or an overcrowded boat of about 12 migrants on their way over the channel is an immigration crisis, not the half a million Non EU nationals who simply walk in and disappear every year because border controls are so under funded. Take back control from the EU? Having a laugh, we were never in control. To be honest, for me the whole immigration squabble gets put into perspective when 39 migrants are locked in a truck in Essex and left to literally freeze to death. Makes you realise that when it comes to immigration, we're not the ones getting the raw deal here.
I'm not one for mob mentality, but for me the person(s) responsible for that should be vilified as much as the likes of Ian Huntly, and the stories of the victims should be told and remembered in the same way as with any mass shooting. It's a calculated mass murder driven by financial gain.
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Oct 24, 2019 8:36:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 8:36:02 GMT
Or an overcrowded boat of about 12 migrants on their way over the channel is an immigration crisis, not the half a million Non EU nationals who simply walk in and disappear every year because border controls are so under funded. Take back control from the EU? Having a laugh, we were never in control. To be honest, for me the whole immigration squabble gets put into perspective when 39 migrants are locked in a truck in Essex and left to literally freeze to death. Makes you realise that when it comes to immigration, we're not the ones getting the raw deal here.
I'm not one for mob mentality, but for me the person(s) responsible for that should be vilified as much as the likes of Ian Huntly, and the stories of the victims should be told and remembered in the same way as with any mass shooting. It's a calculated mass murder driven by financial gain.
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Oct 24, 2019 8:41:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 8:41:57 GMT
I find that rather strange that you delight in the deaths of older people solely on the grounds that they disagree with your political leanings. Have you ever had a meaningful conversation with a 16 year old, they are still at school and don't know anything about the real world.
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Oct 24, 2019 8:50:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 8:50:36 GMT
Nothing to do with brexit. I find it odd that this container came in from zebrugge yet tractor unit came in from Ireland, if reports are to be believed the driver picked the trailer up and 25 minutes later emergency services found the bodies. This whole trade in people needs to be stopped. We are an island but we can not protect our borders. The problem lies in the lack of checks at so called borders all the way across europe
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Oct 24, 2019 8:53:07 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 24, 2019 8:53:07 GMT
I find that rather strange that you delight in the deaths of older people solely on the grounds that they disagree with your political leanings. Have you ever had a meaningful conversation with a 16 year old, they are still at school and don't know anything about the real world. That's very patronising. You could equally argue there are plenty of retired people who know nothing about the current world either. They just go on about how in their day they lived off sixpence a week and bask in the glory of a war they had no part in.
There are clueless people of all ages, but that doesn't mean they're not entitled to vote.
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Oct 24, 2019 9:02:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:02:53 GMT
In answer to s b the reason I threw the polish communist thing in was part of the whole thing. Because you are a socialist you believe every one else should also be socialist. This is a similar principle to the communist idea in Poland. You did not get an opinion you just did as you were told. Sorry we all have an opinion and some will disagree with yours
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Oct 24, 2019 9:07:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:07:28 GMT
Lobster have you seen the video of the 24 year old deputy leader of the lib dems being interviewed on the brexit Bill. She did not have a clue what she was talking about as she admitted she hadn't read the bill she was opposing.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 24, 2019 9:17:45 GMT
Lobster have you seen the video of the 24 year old deputy leader of the lib dems being interviewed on the brexit Bill. She did not have a clue what she was talking about as she admitted she hadn't read the bill she was opposing. The Lib Dems don't have a clue about anything. That's nothing to do with their age. |
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Oct 24, 2019 9:33:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:33:00 GMT
Well at least we agree on that.i am not patronising I just feel that if you have never worked and only experienced school life, you are not yet ready to vote. Just look at the 650 mps how many of these have experienced working life. and a fine mess they make of everything they touch
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 24, 2019 9:52:07 GMT
Well at least we agree on that.i am not patronising I just feel that if you have never worked and only experienced school life, you are not yet ready to vote. Just look at the 650 mps how many of these have experienced working life. and a fine mess they make of everything they touch Jesus, if old people have such a monopoly on wisdom how come the planet is in such a state? |
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Oct 24, 2019 10:05:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 10:05:26 GMT
How would you feel with a parliament made up of 16 to 20 year old. I'm waiting for somebody to give a justifiable reason to give 16 year old the vote.
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Oct 24, 2019 10:12:34 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 24, 2019 10:12:34 GMT
How would you feel with a parliament made up of 16 to 20 year old. I'm waiting for somebody to give a justifiable reason to give 16 year old the vote. 1) There is such thing as the Youth Parliament. It exists. 2) They’d be voting on their future. They’re old enough to have sex, smoke and play the Lottery. Also thanks for the character assassination earlier - wide of the mark though, I don’t force anybody to agree with me. Also why are you conflating socialism with communism? Two different political ideologies. |
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Oct 24, 2019 10:18:19 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Oct 24, 2019 10:18:19 GMT
How would you feel with a parliament made up of 16 to 20 year old. I'm waiting for somebody to give a justifiable reason to give 16 year old the vote. Nobody's asking for that, but young people should be represented in politics if it is to truly represent everyone. The 16-year-olds who didn't get to vote on the referendum are now the 19-year-olds who are going to have to deal with all the fallout from Brexit when it comes to jobs, higher education, healthcare, housing and the cost of living. "You don't understand the way the world works" is an argument used too often to stifle change. There's a place for idealism in politics, or nothing would ever evolve. |
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Oct 24, 2019 10:20:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 10:20:52 GMT
Makes no difference what party it's continually forcing one's opinion on others. I get you may oppose every thing I believe in but it does not mean either of us is right.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 24, 2019 13:10:11 GMT
Well at least we agree on that.i am not patronising I just feel that if you have never worked and only experienced school life, you are not yet ready to vote. Just look at the 650 mps how many of these have experienced working life. and a fine mess they make of everything they touch In this thread alone you've admitted to completely making up statistics and then talked about a 24 year old female deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats when the deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats is, in fact, a 53 year old man. And apparently it's 16 year olds who "don't know anything about the real world". The mind boggles. |
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Oct 24, 2019 14:48:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 14:48:19 GMT
I presume you didn't follow the thread through to my next post where I give the figures and I think you will agree it was a pretty good guess considering I could not remember the exact figure as I was posting. In respect of your second post it looks like I have received a spoof video so apologies. I don't know why you all get so het up. I merely pointed out that In my humble opinion 16 year old should not vote I understand 3 years on from referendum 16 year old then are now 19 they do have a vote and will be entitled to vote in the coming election. What has gone before is immaterial. I could not vote until 21 and I don't think I'm alone on that one
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Oct 24, 2019 15:21:42 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 24, 2019 15:21:42 GMT
I presume you didn't follow the thread through to my next post where I give the figures and I think you will agree it was a pretty good guess considering I could not remember the exact figure as I was posting. In respect of your second post it looks like I have received a spoof video so apologies. I don't know why you all get so het up. I merely pointed out that In my humble opinion 16 year old should not vote I understand 3 years on from referendum 16 year old then are now 19 they do have a vote and will be entitled to vote in the coming election. What has gone before is immaterial. I could not vote until 21 and I don't think I'm alone on that one Well if you believe spoof videos to be fact at the time, you must be totally convinced by the Daily Mail/Express/Telegraph etc. |
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Oct 24, 2019 15:36:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 15:36:28 GMT
dont do news papers what about the other comment is the figure of 50 or m o re labour mps sitting in leve majority seats but now supporting remain true or false
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Oct 24, 2019 16:17:24 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 24, 2019 16:17:24 GMT
I presume you didn't follow the thread through to my next post where I give the figures and I think you will agree it was a pretty good guess considering I could not remember the exact figure as I was posting. In respect of your second post it looks like I have received a spoof video so apologies. I don't know why you all get so het up. I merely pointed out that In my humble opinion 16 year old should not vote I understand 3 years on from referendum 16 year old then are now 19 they do have a vote and will be entitled to vote in the coming election. What has gone before is immaterial. I could not vote until 21 and I don't think I'm alone on that one I’d wager most 16 year olds are bright enough to recognise a spoof video when they see one. |
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Oct 24, 2019 17:08:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 17:08:16 GMT
no doubt and i bet most have wan complexions and sore thumbs.is any body prepared to answer my questions or are you all happy with mps from leave voting constituancies now supporting remain or worse still changing party and leaving voters unrepresented .
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Oct 24, 2019 17:49:34 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 24, 2019 17:49:34 GMT
no doubt and i bet most have wan complexions and sore thumbs.is any body prepared to answer my questions or are you all happy with mps from leave voting constituancies now supporting remain or worse still changing party and leaving voters unrepresented . And are you going to answer my question about Leave supporting MPs from Remain voting constituencies? Are they defying the ‘will of the people’? |
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Oct 24, 2019 18:00:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:00:39 GMT
yes they are.if you stand on a mandate you should carry it out
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Oct 24, 2019 18:11:03 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 24, 2019 18:11:03 GMT
yes they are.if you stand on a mandate you should carry it out Are you confusing mandate and manifesto? |
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Oct 24, 2019 18:27:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:27:28 GMT
possibly.still don't answer my question 60% labour and 70% conservative mps are in seats that voted leave should they obey the vote of their constituants or not
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Oct 24, 2019 18:42:49 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 24, 2019 18:42:49 GMT
possibly.still don't answer my question 60% labour and 70% conservative mps are in seats that voted leave should they obey the vote of their constituants or not They should follow their conscience and do what is best for ALL their constituents. We live in a representative democracy and an advisory referendum does not trump Parliament. I think most MPs are working to deliver Brexit, it’s just that everyone’s version of Brexit is different. And all this ‘Will of the People’ bollocks is really dangerous and sets us on a path towards fascism. |
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Oct 24, 2019 18:53:57 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 24, 2019 18:53:57 GMT
possibly.still don't answer my question 60% labour and 70% conservative mps are in seats that voted leave should they obey the vote of their constituants or not And all this ‘Will of the People’ bollocks is really dangerous and sets us on a path towards fascism. Ridiculous. |
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Oct 24, 2019 18:56:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:56:06 GMT
possibly.still don't answer my question 60% labour and 70% conservative mps are in seats that voted leave should they obey the vote of their constituants or not They should follow their conscience and do what is best for ALL their constituents. We live in a representative democracy and an advisory referendum does not trump Parliament. I think most MPs are working to deliver Brexit, it’s just that everyone’s version of Brexit is different. And all this ‘Will of the People’ bollocks is really dangerous and sets us on a path towards fascism. |
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Oct 24, 2019 18:58:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:58:07 GMT
Show me the fact that it was an advisory referendum. Still not answered the question.
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