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Oct 29, 2019 19:07:14 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 29, 2019 19:07:14 GMT
Forget Venezuela, Bosnian Bobby Wolf has just found out it’s kicked off in the Balkans. If some Northern ponce with a Blue, Red, Yellow, Purple or Green rosette comes round my gaff in the next few weeks they’ll get a proper Millwall welcome. They’re not fit for purpose. I’m voting Theo Paphitis. Ooooh aren't you hard? |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 29, 2019 19:23:39 GMT
If some Northern ponce with a Blue, Red, Yellow, Purple or Green rosette comes round my gaff in the next few weeks they’ll get a proper Millwall welcome. They’re not fit for purpose. I’m voting Theo Paphitis. Ooooh aren't you hard? Broadly though the choice at this possible election is looking particularly poor. |
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Oct 29, 2019 20:21:47 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 29, 2019 20:21:47 GMT
Broadly though the choice at this possible election is looking particularly poor. There is a real choice though this time which is surely a positive - it isn't just varying degrees of vanilla boredom a la 2010 or 2015. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 29, 2019 20:23:50 GMT
You know what I’ve realised about the Remain side and the left in general? They need to start outright barefaced lying. Leave and the right do it all the time and the people bloody love it! I watched Anchorman 2 a couple of weeks ago, and it's weird how what was basically a daft comedy of little substance in 2013 has become an accurate commentary of what's happened in politics and the media since, particularly the whole fabrication of nonsensical patriotic news. It's Trump basically. I actually think he's not much more than a spoilt man-child myself, but he's taught the world that you can lie, and be proven to be lying, and a sizeable section of the population won't care. They just seem to like bullies who shout louder than everyone else. They don't realise that if you side with a bully rather than stand up to them, that makes you a pussy, not a tough guy. If ordinary, working class people really can't get it into their heads that the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg are not on their side, we're screwed. |
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Oct 29, 2019 20:30:25 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 29, 2019 20:30:25 GMT
Broadly though the choice at this possible election is looking particularly poor. There is a real choice though this time which is surely a positive - it isn't just varying degrees of vanilla boredom a la 2010 or 2015. Not sure I totally agree as far as the 2010 election is concerned. At the time I felt there was a clear difference between Con & Lab in how they were going to tackle the financial crisis. As you say there is a clear choice this time around. None are all that appealing. |
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Oct 29, 2019 20:44:03 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 29, 2019 20:44:03 GMT
There is a real choice though this time which is surely a positive - it isn't just varying degrees of vanilla boredom a la 2010 or 2015. Not sure I totally agree as far as the 2010 election is concerned. At the time I felt there was a clear difference between Con & Lab in how they were going to tackle the financial crisis. As you say there is a clear choice this time around. None are all that appealing. I think what there probably isn't a centrist choice, apart from the Lib Dems who I don't think people trust anymore.
I'd say even if people aren't fond of Corbyn, realistically it's either him or Boris Johnson who will be PM on December 13th, so you have to ask yourself which one you'd prefer, and remember that you're voting for your local MP as well.
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Oct 29, 2019 20:51:32 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 29, 2019 20:51:32 GMT
There is a real choice though this time which is surely a positive - it isn't just varying degrees of vanilla boredom a la 2010 or 2015. Not sure I totally agree as far as the 2010 election is concerned. At the time I felt there was a clear difference between Con & Lab in how they were going to tackle the financial crisis. As you say there is a clear choice this time around. None are all that appealing. In 2010 both main parties were pro-austerity, so it was Hobson’s choice. |
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Oct 29, 2019 21:00:44 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 29, 2019 21:00:44 GMT
Not sure I totally agree as far as the 2010 election is concerned. At the time I felt there was a clear difference between Con & Lab in how they were going to tackle the financial crisis. As you say there is a clear choice this time around. None are all that appealing. In 2010 both main parties were pro-austerity, so it was Hobson’s choice. Wasn't quite as simple as that for me. Con were clearly going to cut and cut relentlessly deep. I didn't get that impression from the Labour campaign. |
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Oct 29, 2019 23:14:14 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 29, 2019 23:14:14 GMT
I watched Anchorman 2 a couple of weeks ago, and it's weird how what was basically a daft comedy of little substance in 2013 has become an accurate commentary of what's happened in politics and the media since, particularly the whole fabrication of nonsensical patriotic news. It's Trump basically. I actually think he's not much more than a spoilt man-child myself, but he's taught the world that you can lie, and be proven to be lying, and a sizeable section of the population won't care. They just seem to like bullies who shout louder than everyone else. They don't realise that if you side with a bully rather than stand up to them, that makes you a pussy, not a tough guy. If ordinary, working class people really can't get it into their heads that the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg are not on their side, we're screwed. Johnson and Rees-mogg are clearly not on the side of the working class people But heres the problem The left wing terrorist sympathiser Corbyn isn't either Ignoring your countless times proven to be false boring smear, why isn’t he on the side of working people? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 30, 2019 7:32:02 GMT
Johnson and Rees-mogg are clearly not on the side of the working class people But heres the problem The left wing terrorist sympathiser Corbyn isn't either Ignoring your countless times proven to be false boring smear, why isn’t he on the side of working people? Probably because he doesn’t engage in ostentatious displays of plastic patriotism: the sort of behaviour that plays well with the far-right hard of thinking brigade. |
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Oct 30, 2019 7:50:53 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2019 7:50:53 GMT
Ignoring your countless times proven to be false boring smear, why isn’t he on the side of working people? Probably because he doesn’t engage in ostentatious displays of plastic patriotism: the sort of behaviour that plays well with the far-right hard of thinking brigade. Such as not watching a rugby match because he was on the campaign trail, you mean? I wonder if the feller who took the photograph got the same treatment... |
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Oct 30, 2019 9:32:49 GMT
Post by jb on Oct 30, 2019 9:32:49 GMT
If some Northern ponce with a Blue, Red, Yellow, Purple or Green rosette comes round my gaff in the next few weeks they’ll get a proper Millwall welcome. They’re not fit for purpose. I’m voting Theo Paphitis. Ooooh aren't you hard? Whhhhooooosssshhhh! |
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Oct 30, 2019 9:51:21 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 30, 2019 9:51:21 GMT
Probably because he doesn’t engage in ostentatious displays of plastic patriotism: the sort of behaviour that plays well with the far-right hard of thinking brigade. It's not just the right-wing that can't stand Fagin though is it? He's managed to alienate members of his own party, life-long Labour voters etc and to see Labour in second place in the opinion polls to the shower that are currently in government speaks volumes about him. Also, screaming Nazi, Facist, far-right at every opportunity isn't a good look. It's kind of like that girl who went viral a few months. The poster self-identifies as right-wing and someone who supports parties that have been banned, so work that one out for yourself Bobby. |
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Oct 30, 2019 9:52:28 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 30, 2019 9:52:28 GMT
Not sure I totally agree as far as the 2010 election is concerned. At the time I felt there was a clear difference between Con & Lab in how they were going to tackle the financial crisis. As you say there is a clear choice this time around. None are all that appealing. I think what there probably isn't a centrist choice, apart from the Lib Dems who I don't think people trust anymore.
I'd say even if people aren't fond of Corbyn, realistically it's either him or Boris Johnson who will be PM on December 13th, so you have to ask yourself which one you'd prefer, and remember that you're voting for your local MP as well.
Yeah true. Lib Dems strategy will continue to be shouting from the rooftops about reversing the referendum. It may well work to an extent. Boris will continue to promise Brexit and Labour's position has seemed to depend on what day of the week it is. Add to that neither Boris or Jeremy seem to be particularly popular, for obvious reasons. |
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Oct 30, 2019 19:43:18 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 30, 2019 19:43:18 GMT
I think what there probably isn't a centrist choice, apart from the Lib Dems who I don't think people trust anymore.
I'd say even if people aren't fond of Corbyn, realistically it's either him or Boris Johnson who will be PM on December 13th, so you have to ask yourself which one you'd prefer, and remember that you're voting for your local MP as well.
Yeah true. Lib Dems strategy will continue to be shouting from the rooftops about reversing the referendum. It may well work to an extent. Boris will continue to promise Brexit and Labour's position has seemed to depend on what day of the week it is. Add to that neither Boris or Jeremy seem to be particularly popular, for obvious reasons. Labour’s Brexit position is not difficult to understand: they will negotiate a deal, then hold a public vote on it. It’s the Lib-Dem policy that’s all over the place. They want to revoke Article 50 and have a People’s Vote: two things that are mutually exclusive. The way the polices of the two parties are portrayed in the media tells you everything you need to know how dishonest UK journalism is. |
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Oct 30, 2019 19:54:42 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 30, 2019 19:54:42 GMT
Well, that's the position Labour have eventually arrived at. It's taken them an eternity to pin their colours to the mast. But yeah, it's all the media's fault, it's a big conspiracy against the great man and so on.
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 30, 2019 20:12:49 GMT
Well, that's the position Labour have eventually arrived at. It's taken them an eternity to pin their colours to the mast. But yeah, it's all the media's fault, it's a big conspiracy against the great man and so on. Labour is a Democratic Party and the policy was agreed at Conference in September. Not sure why you’re getting into such a hot funk about it, but your obsession with the party’s leadership is very unhealthy. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 30, 2019 20:17:01 GMT
Well, that's the position Labour have eventually arrived at. It's taken them an eternity to pin their colours to the mast. But yeah, it's all the media's fault, it's a big conspiracy against the great man and so on. Labour is a Democratic Party and the policy was agreed at Conference in September. Not sure why you’re getting into such a hot funk about it, but your obsession with the party’s leadership is very unhealthy. It just a genuine interest in how such an awful leader of the opposition has followers who blindly agree with everything he does without thinking for themselves independently. It's very unhealthy. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 30, 2019 20:24:50 GMT
Labour is a Democratic Party and the policy was agreed at Conference in September. Not sure why you’re getting into such a hot funk about it, but your obsession with the party’s leadership is very unhealthy. It just a genuine interest in how such an awful leader of the opposition has followers who blindly agree with everything he does without thinking for themselves independently. It's very unhealthy. And there you go again. How do you know I or anyone else ‘blindly agree with everything’? You’re like some kind of self-appointed Thought Policeman. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 30, 2019 20:30:15 GMT
Labour is a Democratic Party and the policy was agreed at Conference in September. Not sure why you’re getting into such a hot funk about it, but your obsession with the party’s leadership is very unhealthy. It just a genuine interest in how such an awful leader of the opposition has followers who blindly agree with everything he does without thinking for themselves independently. It's very unhealthy. I think you're mistaking "blindly agreeing" with happening to share a viewpoint. The reason he is liked by many is because he represents something that had been missing from politics for some time. |
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Oct 30, 2019 20:31:35 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 30, 2019 20:31:35 GMT
It just a genuine interest in how such an awful leader of the opposition has followers who blindly agree with everything he does without thinking for themselves independently. It's very unhealthy. And there you go again. How do you know I or anyone else ‘blindly agree with everything’? You’re like some kind of self-appointed Thought Policeman. Different though isn't it when it's you making sweeping statements about posters? Unbelievable! |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 30, 2019 20:34:07 GMT
It just a genuine interest in how such an awful leader of the opposition has followers who blindly agree with everything he does without thinking for themselves independently. It's very unhealthy. I think you're mistaking "blindly agreeing" with happening to share a viewpoint. The reason he is liked by many is because he represents something that had been missing from politics for some time. I suppose we'll see how many share it in December! |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 30, 2019 20:36:40 GMT
And there you go again. How do you know I or anyone else ‘blindly agree with everything’? You’re like some kind of self-appointed Thought Policeman. Different though isn't it when it's you making sweeping statements about posters? Unbelievable! Yeah, it’s incredible. |
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Oct 30, 2019 20:55:52 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 30, 2019 20:55:52 GMT
Good to hear something other than bloody Brexit discussed at PMQs today, including the NHS, the economy and Grenfell. I'm certainly sceptical of that report, seems a very convenient bit of blame-shifting away from decades of profit-driven fire policies and underfunding of fire services just as an election is announced.
Anyway, if Labour are to do well in this election, I think they need to succeed in reminding people that Brexit is not the only thing happening, as no other party is doing that. I think the party I'm most disappointed of all with is the Greens. I used to consider them my party, but post-referendum I think they've completely lost sight of what they're supposed to be all about. The environment is in the news more than ever, and all they're doing is going on about second referendums and their shared visions with the Lib Dem sellouts.
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Oct 30, 2019 23:03:00 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2019 23:03:00 GMT
Labour have announced 200 policies already (OK, most of them not different from 2017 manifesto but still...)
The party who called the election have only announced one policy - “get Brexit done”.
Says it all.
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Oct 31, 2019 7:28:10 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 31, 2019 7:28:10 GMT
Why isn’t Boris Johnson chomping at the bit to debate Jeremy Corbyn, head-to-head, in a live TV debate?
He has spent months telling Labour’s half a million members that they are scared and calling them cowards.
So when given the opportunity to put his policies up against theirs, and what does he do?
He hides.
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Oct 31, 2019 8:38:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 8:38:24 GMT
Strange one this, people were saying the queen's speech was like a tory election campaign, it set out their policies for the way ahead. I don't expect they will change a lot of that a couple of weeks on. I would hope any party that wins would for once carry out what they stand for without making the country bankrupt. Mind you it will all be OK when Jo swinnson is prime minister
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Post by jb on Oct 31, 2019 9:47:47 GMT
Labour have announced 200 policies already (OK, most of them not different from 2017 manifesto but still...) The party who called the election have only announced one policy - “get Brexit done”. Says it all. 200 policies yet not one clear one on Brexit. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 31, 2019 10:14:20 GMT
Labour have announced 200 policies already (OK, most of them not different from 2017 manifesto but still...) The party who called the election have only announced one policy - “get Brexit done”. Says it all. 200 policies yet not one clear one on Brexit. Negotiating a deal and holding a public vote on it is hardly a nebulous concept. The Lib-Dems policy of revoking Article 50 and then having a People’s Vote is. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 31, 2019 12:21:50 GMT
Labour have announced 200 policies already (OK, most of them not different from 2017 manifesto but still...) The party who called the election have only announced one policy - “get Brexit done”. Says it all. 200 policies yet not one clear one on Brexit. I’m going to assume you are being deliberately obtuse to try to be funny as the alternative (you genuinely don’t understand a very very simple policy) makes me feel sorry for you. |
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