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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Oct 31, 2019 17:45:36 GMT
We are still in the EU.
Disappointingly the mopheaded clown who has the temerity to call himself our Prime Minister has not yet died in a ditch like he said he would.
Still, another 6 and a bit hours to go, come on God, now is a great chance to prove you exist.
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Oct 31, 2019 19:33:41 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 31, 2019 19:33:41 GMT
We are still in the EU. Disappointingly the mopheaded clown who has the temerity to call himself our Prime Minister has not yet died in a ditch like he said he would. Still, another 6 and a bit hours to go, come on God, now is a great chance to prove you exist. Unfortunately Mark Francois hasn't exploded yet either.
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Nov 1, 2019 22:18:40 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 1, 2019 22:18:40 GMT
So at the start of a general election campaign, the PM and his chief adviser have both been referred to the CPS for breaking the law on elections. Hard to imagine a more serious matter for our democracy.
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Nov 2, 2019 7:55:11 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 2, 2019 7:55:11 GMT
So at the start of a general election campaign, the PM and his chief adviser have both been referred to the CPS for breaking the law on elections. Hard to imagine a more serious matter for our democracy. Also a sensitive report on Russian covert actions against the UK, including allegations of electoral interference, is being sat on by Number 10, but let’s focus on that one conviction for voter fraud in 2017, because that’s the big issue here.
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Post by jb on Nov 2, 2019 11:36:10 GMT
200 policies yet not one clear one on Brexit. I’m going to assume you are being deliberately obtuse to try to be funny as the alternative (you genuinely don’t understand a very very simple policy) makes me feel sorry for you. I’d save your sympathy for yourself as you come across as someone with a lot of issues and hatred.
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Nov 2, 2019 11:45:51 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 2, 2019 11:45:51 GMT
I’m going to assume you are being deliberately obtuse to try to be funny as the alternative (you genuinely don’t understand a very very simple policy) makes me feel sorry for you. I’d save your sympathy for yourself as you come across as someone with a lot of issues and hatred. My issue is with and hatred is for a ruling class systematically murdering the poor, sick and disabled whilst ploughing millions of pounds into offshore tax havens to hoard the wealth created by the working class they have exploited to do it. So yeah x
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Nov 5, 2019 6:22:02 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 5, 2019 6:22:02 GMT
Did anybody else see our Prime Minister sign his letter to Jeremy Corbyn as “Jeremy Corbyn”? The Tories are losing the plot!
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Nov 5, 2019 9:20:35 GMT
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 5, 2019 9:20:35 GMT
Corbyn is going to purposely goad Trump later to try and get another response as it helped him last time. Clever little idea that. Push Trump and Boris closer together in public’s minds.
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Nov 5, 2019 10:09:15 GMT
Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2019 10:09:15 GMT
Corbyn is going to purposely goad Trump later to try and get another response as it helped him last time. Clever little idea that. Push Trump and Boris closer together in public’s minds. I'm not so sure it did help him. Trump basically slagged off Johnson's deal, which in my opinion is a deal Johnson doesn't want as he'd rather we left without one.
I used to think basically everyone in this country realised Trump was a bully and not someone who should be running a country. Not so sure they do now.
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Nov 5, 2019 12:00:01 GMT
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Nov 5, 2019 12:10:29 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 5, 2019 12:10:29 GMT
In 2015 you promised to build 200,000 starter homes by 2020 for first time buyers. You've actually built zero. How do you explain this?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
This Tory election candidate in Wales who said that people on benefits should be put to death, and enthused about the idea of a campaign of vigilante violence against homeless people. How do you justify the Conservative Party sticking by her?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
When Jacob Rees-Mogg insinuates that the victims of Grenfell Fire were to blame for their own deaths because they 'lacked common sense', do you agree with him?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
Why is there still a budget deficit in late 2019, when you originally promised that austerity would completely eliminate the budget deficit by early 2015?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
Why is the government deliberately hiding the report into Russian interference in the EU referendum?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
The economic recovery after the 2008 bankers' insolvency crisis has been the slowest in centuries, and UK workers have suffered the longest sustained collapse in the value of their wages since records began under your watch. Do you feel any sense of responsibility?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
Tory austerity cuts to the NHS and social care have led to soaring waiting times at A&E departments, continually growing waiting lists for operations, impossible levels of demand on GP practices, and an estimated 130,000 preventable deaths. How do you feel about this?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
Do you feel that scrapping 21,000 police jobs, closing down 600 police stations, and relentlessly slashing the police budget since 2010 has in any way contributed to the violent crime epidemic?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
In recent years the conservative government has blocked low income workers' access to the justice system with unlawful tribunal fees, unlawfully forced people to work for no wages, unlawfully suspended parliament, and unlawfully supplied weapons to the Saudi tyrants to commit war crimes with. How do you have the cheek to pretend that you're 'the party of law and order'?
Tory minister: "But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
[Continues non-stop for six weeks]
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 5, 2019 12:55:21 GMT
Which is exactly why the Tories don’t want to tak aboutbthwur record in last few years, as it has been stated many times this is the worst government anyone can remember and Labour should win at a landslide.
If they don’t, then they really have to look at themselves and stop blaming the media or ‘people are morons’.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2019 15:27:23 GMT
Changing the subject a bit, what do people think about the impact of the Brexit Party possibly running candidates in every constituency? Would that dilute the Tory or Labour vote more? I worry it would hurt Labour more myself as Johnson is generally liked by Brexiteers.
If they were to win seats it could be interesting. You'd think it would be pretty simple for the Tories to come to an agreement with them, but if it's just a case of them wanting us out of the UK, there's no reason why Labour couldn't either. In theory, the Brexit Party doesn't necessarily have to be a right-wing party as there is a lefty case for leaving the EU, but the fact that they're led by Farage, and have chosen a logo featuring an arrow pointing to the right, suggests it is.
Have to say, I think anyone who would vote for the Brexit Party in a General Election is a fool. Imagine living in a constituency where your elected MP's one and only policy is to get out of the EU. Jesus!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 15:57:05 GMT
I honestly think for all the different opinions on policies of all parties. this election is all about brexit. When it comes to party. most people will vote for somebody that they feel they can trust, and whatever way you look at it there are not many. I don't think I would vote for brexit party but I could listen to farage all day long, when in full flight he is a fabulous speaker, he is exactly what is needed in parliament. Definitely not an indecisive shrinking violet. I could never see Labour/brexit pact as Labour are remain
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 5, 2019 16:34:35 GMT
Changing the subject a bit, what do people think about the impact of the Brexit Party possibly running candidates in every constituency? Would that dilute the Tory or Labour vote more? I worry it would hurt Labour more myself as Johnson is generally liked by Brexiteers. If they were to win seats it could be interesting. You'd think it would be pretty simple for the Tories to come to an agreement with them, but if it's just a case of them wanting us out of the UK, there's no reason why Labour couldn't either. In theory, the Brexit Party doesn't necessarily have to be a right-wing party as there is a lefty case for leaving the EU, but the fact that they're led by Farage, and have chosen a logo featuring an arrow pointing to the right, suggests it is. Have to say, I think anyone who would vote for the Brexit Party in a General Election is a fool. Imagine living in a constituency where your elected MP's one and only policy is to get out of the EU. Jesus! I think the polls in the last few months (though they should be taken with a large pinch of salt) seem to suggest that the Brexit Party vote is mostly damaging the Tories. Johnson's increasing poll ratings have coincided with the Brexit Party losing support. Polls have also showed that Labour Leavers are more Labour than they are Leave. I have already been out canvassing in this election and most of the anti-Labour / pro-Brexit vote is fairly warm to Johnson, but much much warmer to Farage. I live in a constituency where my Labour MP has a majority of around 5,000 - I think from a Labour point of view, particularly in my constituency, it is very helpful indeed that the Brexit Party are putting up a candidate. It also helps that the Tory candidate has been parachuted in from Scotland and has never been here in his life. And he isn't white either so the frothing gammon / UKIP xenos won't vote for him. Definitely agree with your final point. Anybody who sees the levels of crisis in the NHS, the numbers of homeless people living on the street and the millions of people having to use food banks just to survive and then goes and votes for a single issue party needs a good hard slap. I include both the Liberal Democrats and the Brexit Party in that category.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:20:36 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2019 17:20:36 GMT
I honestly think for all the different opinions on policies of all parties. this election is all about brexit. When it comes to party. most people will vote for somebody that they feel they can trust, and whatever way you look at it there are not many. I don't think I would vote for brexit party but I could listen to farage all day long, when in full flight he is a fabulous speaker, he is exactly what is needed in parliament. Definitely not an indecisive shrinking violet. I could never see Labour/brexit pact as Labour are remain Farage is a good speaker, I'll give him that. And I think he's fairly sincere, more so than the outright manipulative liars in the Conservative Party. That's as kind as I'm going to be about him though!
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Nov 5, 2019 17:58:22 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 5, 2019 17:58:22 GMT
The Tories (and of course the B(n)P) want you to make this election solely about Brexit and the likes of Sky News are calling it the “Brexit Election” but it isn’t. It’s a general election.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 18:55:14 GMT
i agree it is a general election but a hell of a lot of people are angry at the way the brexit vote has been obstructed. like it or not people see this as a chance to get even.not everybody is interested in politics but brexit has divided the whole country.you only have to look at the number of mps who have walked before they are pushed.they know they have no chance of being re elected.
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...but I could listen to farage all day long, when in full flight he is a fabulous speaker, he is exactly what is needed in parliament. Farage is a good speaker, I'll give him that. And I think he's fairly sincere, more so than the outright manipulative liars in the Conservative Party. That's not strictly true though is it. Nigel Farage has constantly lied about our relationship with the European Union:- - Lied that EU Commissioners cannot be removed (elected national governments can actually vote to remove them), - Lied that EU Parliament is unelected (it's actually made up of directly elected MEP's from member states, Farage should know this, he's been one for years), - Lied that we can't control immigration (under European treaties we can control immigration, but that's down to the Tory gov. upholding those treaties, not the EU), - Lied that we'd be forced into an EU army (our power of veto over any new EU laws explicitly prevents this should we choose to do so), - Lied stating Article 50 says we have no obligation to pay anything to the EU after 2020 (not straightforward, but could go on for years due to outstanding binding contracts with the EU), - In 2016, defended the idea that we could be like Norway, a Single Market country, and is now pushing for a hard Brexit to leave the Single Market (okay technically that's not a lie, but it's abject hypocrisy). But you probably already knew that anyway.
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Nov 6, 2019 13:05:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 6, 2019 13:05:25 GMT
Tory election campaign day one:
Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns resigns over his lies about the rape trial collapse scandal, making him the first government minister ever to have to resign during a general election campaign!
Tory party sticking by the vile woman who wants to exterminate people on benefits and organise vigilante violence campaigns against the homeless.
Advertising Standards Authority slams the Tories for spending £225,000 in public cash to spread outright lies about their disastrous poverty-spreading Universal Credit shambles.
Civil service refuse Tory demands that they use public funds to critique the Labour Party (previous use of public funds to fund a “thinktank” solely to badmouth the Labour Party notwithstanding).
Boris Johnson still in hiding because he's getting booed and heckled by the public wherever he shows his face.
Media fallout from the deliberately deceptive doctored video of Keir Starmer they were spreading on social media yesterday.
Government still refusing to publish the completed report into Russian interference in the EU referendum.
Former Chancellor Philip Hammond quits parliament in absolute desperation at the state of the Tory party.
Jacob Rees-Mogg forced to apologise after insinuating that the Grenfell fire victims deserved to die because they're not as clever as he is.
Tory Chairman James NotVeryCleverly empty chaired in a Sky interview because he was too scared to face Kay Burley, having been outwitted and humiliated by Piers Morgan earlier in the day.
Have I missed anything?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 13:30:33 GMT
Well in your opinion we're all doomed. no need to vote at all.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 6, 2019 13:43:33 GMT
Well in your opinion we're all doomed. no need to vote at all. Not doomed at all as there is one party offering hope to the electorate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 13:56:30 GMT
Just back from mold. The first time I've seen anybody campaigning and it was the brexit party. People queuing up to speak with their representative.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2019 14:19:34 GMT
Just back from mold. The first time I've seen anybody campaigning and it was the brexit party. People queuing up to speak with their representative. How many of them were holding a milkshake?
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Nov 6, 2019 14:20:36 GMT
Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2019 14:20:36 GMT
Tory Chairman James NotVeryCleverly empty chaired in a Sky interview because he was too scared to face Kay Burley, having been outwitted and humiliated by Piers Morgan earlier in the day.Good grief! Is that possible?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 14:24:10 GMT
None actually. I just thought I would contribute to the debate. Not an opinion, a fact thought some people may be interested.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 6, 2019 14:36:15 GMT
Tory election campaign day one: Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns resigns over his lies about the rape trial collapse scandal, making him the first government minister ever to have to resign during a general election campaign! Tory party sticking by the vile woman who wants to exterminate people on benefits and organise vigilante violence campaigns against the homeless. Advertising Standards Authority slams the Tories for spending £225,000 in public cash to spread outright lies about their disastrous poverty-spreading Universal Credit shambles. Civil service refuse Tory demands that they use public funds to critique the Labour Party (previous use of public funds to fund a “thinktank” solely to badmouth the Labour Party notwithstanding). Boris Johnson still in hiding because he's getting booed and heckled by the public wherever he shows his face. Media fallout from the deliberately deceptive doctored video of Keir Starmer they were spreading on social media yesterday. Government still refusing to publish the completed report into Russian interference in the EU referendum. Former Chancellor Philip Hammond quits parliament in absolute desperation at the state of the Tory party. Jacob Rees-Mogg forced to apologise after insinuating that the Grenfell fire victims deserved to die because they're not as clever as he is. Tory Chairman James NotVeryCleverly empty chaired in a Sky interview because he was too scared to face Kay Burley, having been outwitted and humiliated by Piers Morgan earlier in the day. Have I missed anything? Who thought they could do worse than the campaign in 2017?! Unbelievable.
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Nov 6, 2019 16:22:59 GMT
Just back from mold. The first time I've seen anybody campaigning and it was the brexit party. People queuing up to speak with their representative.
Mold is a strong leave area - saw lots of placards and stuff around the time of the referendum. Delyn was generally a safe Labour seat but their hold has slipped over the last few elections. I'd say it's one of the constituencies where the Brexit party could take enough votes to swing it.
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Nov 6, 2019 16:57:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 6, 2019 16:57:32 GMT
Just back from mold. The first time I've seen anybody campaigning and it was the brexit party. People queuing up to speak with their representative.
Mold is a strong leave area - saw lots of placards and stuff around the time of the referendum. Delyn was generally a safe Labour seat but their hold has slipped over the last few elections. I'd say it's one of the constituencies where the Brexit party could take enough votes to swing it.
David Hanson (and Mark Tami in the constituency next door) are both effective MPs who are very vocal and active in representing their communities, causes and plights. Both very cooperative, quick to respond to queries and voluntarily follow-up on those queries. They have a loyal “following” in their constituencies and like another poster above in my recent experience around the area Labour leavers are still Labour. I’d hope both keep their seats.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2019 17:06:13 GMT
Wales in general could be a stomping ground for the BP I suppose. The Tories don't do very well there, and the Labour vote is already diluted by Plaid Cymru. Plus Wales voted leave, unlike their Celtic cousins.
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