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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 6, 2019 17:07:55 GMT
Mold is a strong leave area - saw lots of placards and stuff around the time of the referendum. Delyn was generally a safe Labour seat but their hold has slipped over the last few elections. I'd say it's one of the constituencies where the Brexit party could take enough votes to swing it.
David Hanson (and Mark Tami in the constituency next door) are both effective MPs who are very vocal and active in representing their communities, causes and plights. Both very cooperative, quick to respond to queries and voluntarily follow-up on those queries. They have a loyal “following” in their constituencies and like another poster above in my recent experience around the area Labour leavers are still Labour. I’d hope both keep their seats. I suspect they will both be safe. Might be worth putting some money on, I remember in the last election Mark Tami was 2.1 to hold Alyn & Deeside with the Tories being something like 1.7. I've lived here since I was 4 years old and I would be amazed if it ever went Tory. The bookies don't have the local knowledge so money can be made on constituency betting. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 17:58:39 GMT
I have lived in Buckley for 45 years, can honestly say I've never had a knock on the door from any party other than for local elections.
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Nov 7, 2019 6:55:17 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Nov 7, 2019 6:55:17 GMT
So the Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid Cymru have agreed to form a "Remain alliance" and not stand against each other in many seats.
For me, that's three parties blinded by Brexit, forgetting that they actually represent completely different interests. It makes them single-issue parties no different to the Brexit Party.
The clue's in the name with the Greens. Their first priority should always be the environment, and with this being the year of climate strikes, Greta Thunberg, XR etc., they've never had a better chance to drive that message home. Instead they're forming pacts with a party whose leader has a very questionable record on the environment, and social welfare as well.
Perhaps the one good thing about Brexit is that it's brought out everyone's true colours. I'm now more certain than ever of who I should be voting for.
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Post by hevanan on Nov 7, 2019 7:49:21 GMT
We are still in the EU. Disappointingly the mopheaded clown who has the temerity to call himself our Prime Minister has not yet died in a ditch like he said he would. Still, another 6 and a bit hours to go, come on God, now is a great chance to prove you exist. Suprised that Corbyn didn't get one of his terrorist friends to do it |
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Nov 7, 2019 7:56:29 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 7, 2019 7:56:29 GMT
Multi millionaire Tory MP Nadim Zahawi has told the BBC that he seriously wouldn’t know if Jeremy Corbyn would shoot high earning individuals.
Labour: "We'll tax the top 5% a bit more for a fairer society"
Zahawi: "Labour want to shoot rich people dead"
Tory logic : Grenfell victims - their own fault; taxing the rich a bit more - Stalinist genocide.
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Nov 7, 2019 7:59:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 7, 2019 7:59:32 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: “I’ve just said the most stupid thing”
Andrew Bridgen: “Really? Hold my sherry!”
James Cleverly: “Actually, allow me!’
Nadhim Zahawi: “Coming through!”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 8:10:15 GMT
There are a few multi millionaires in the labour party. Including corbyn. Abbot and thornberry. Could shoot them as well. All mps are nest featherers irrespective of party.
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Nov 7, 2019 8:58:35 GMT
Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 7, 2019 8:58:35 GMT
Your whataboutery completely missed the point.
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Nov 7, 2019 9:11:27 GMT
Post by jedthehumanoid on Nov 7, 2019 9:11:27 GMT
David Hanson (and Mark Tami in the constituency next door) are both effective MPs who are very vocal and active in representing their communities, causes and plights. Both very cooperative, quick to respond to queries and voluntarily follow-up on those queries. They have a loyal “following” in their constituencies and like another poster above in my recent experience around the area Labour leavers are still Labour. I’d hope both keep their seats. I suspect they will both be safe. Might be worth putting some money on, I remember in the last election Mark Tami was 2.1 to hold Alyn & Deeside with the Tories being something like 1.7. I've lived here since I was 4 years old and I would be amazed if it ever went Tory. The bookies don't have the local knowledge so money can be made on constituency betting.
Alyn and Deeside is my constituency and I agree it would be a surprise, but UKIP did well not too long ago. If both the Brexit party and Lib Dems chip away at the Labour vote in North Wales it may get interesting.
Plaid are a non-entity in Alyn and Deeside, it's probably the least 'Welsh' area in Wales. They have more support further from the border so might pinch a few more votes in Delyn, have to wait to see if their pact with the Lib Dems comes in to force locally.
Aberconwy could be one to watch. Guto Bebb isn't standing again and only had a slim majority anyway - if the tories put up a bad candidate they could easily lose the seat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 9:24:22 GMT
My what aboutary lol. What about actually posting the exact words that came out of Rees moggs mouth. He never said it was the fault of the people who died. Words are easy to twist to suit an agenda. He said he would not have stayed in his flat. Would you? I don't actually like the guy. but report it as you hear it my statement about Labour millionaires was more about your hatred of people with money or is that just tory millionaires
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 7, 2019 10:10:11 GMT
Changing the subject a bit, what do people think about the impact of the Brexit Party possibly running candidates in every constituency? Would that dilute the Tory or Labour vote more? I worry it would hurt Labour more myself as Johnson is generally liked by Brexiteers. If they were to win seats it could be interesting. You'd think it would be pretty simple for the Tories to come to an agreement with them, but if it's just a case of them wanting us out of the UK, there's no reason why Labour couldn't either. In theory, the Brexit Party doesn't necessarily have to be a right-wing party as there is a lefty case for leaving the EU, but the fact that they're led by Farage, and have chosen a logo featuring an arrow pointing to the right, suggests it is. Have to say, I think anyone who would vote for the Brexit Party in a General Election is a fool. Imagine living in a constituency where your elected MP's one and only policy is to get out of the EU. Jesus! I think the polls in the last few months (though they should be taken with a large pinch of salt) seem to suggest that the Brexit Party vote is mostly damaging the Tories. Johnson's increasing poll ratings have coincided with the Brexit Party losing support. Polls have also showed that Labour Leavers are more Labour than they are Leave. I have already been out canvassing in this election and most of the anti-Labour / pro-Brexit vote is fairly warm to Johnson, but much much warmer to Farage. I live in a constituency where my Labour MP has a majority of around 5,000 - I think from a Labour point of view, particularly in my constituency, it is very helpful indeed that the Brexit Party are putting up a candidate. It also helps that the Tory candidate has been parachuted in from Scotland and has never been here in his life. And he isn't white either so the frothing gammon / UKIP xenos won't vote for him. Definitely agree with your final point. Anybody who sees the levels of crisis in the NHS, the numbers of homeless people living on the street and the millions of people having to use food banks just to survive and then goes and votes for a single issue party needs a good hard slap. I include both the Liberal Democrats and the Brexit Party in that category. I have to agree, this is definitely one of the strangest decisions for some time. The young female candidate (Keighly?) was at least local and if memory serves had made some ground on Tami in last 2 elections. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 7, 2019 10:14:19 GMT
My what aboutary lol. What about actually posting the exact words that came out of Rees moggs mouth. He never said it was the fault of the people who died. Words are easy to twist to suit an agenda. He said he would not have stayed in his flat. Would you? I don't actually like the guy. but report it as you hear it my statement about Labour millionaires was more about your hatred of people with money or is that just tory millionaires In some ways I agree that Rees-Mogg's comments have been taken out of context, but in other ways I think it shows that he struggles to cloak his inherent contempt of the lower classes behind moderate language. He is like a parody of a Tory.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 7, 2019 10:15:41 GMT
Your whataboutery completely missed the point. Your constant copying and pasting of drivel you have read on the echo chamber that is your social media is contaminating what has turned into a decent thread. Stop it. Allow sensible discussion without your drivel. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 7, 2019 10:43:29 GMT
My what aboutary lol. What about actually posting the exact words that came out of Rees moggs mouth. He never said it was the fault of the people who died. Words are easy to twist to suit an agenda. He said he would not have stayed in his flat. Would you? I don't actually like the guy. but report it as you hear it my statement about Labour millionaires was more about your hatred of people with money or is that just tory millionaires Where did I say I hate people with money? I don’t just hate Tory millionaires, I hate Tories, Tory candidates, Tory voters full stop. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 10:49:41 GMT
You must have had a different up bringing than me. I was born in the slums of Chester but if I used the word hate I would have soon regretted it. Mum always said it's OK to say I don't like or I dislike much kinder than hate.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Nov 7, 2019 11:41:25 GMT
We are still in the EU. Disappointingly the mopheaded clown who has the temerity to call himself our Prime Minister has not yet died in a ditch like he said he would. Still, another 6 and a bit hours to go, come on God, now is a great chance to prove you exist. Suprised that Corbyn didn't get one of his terrorist friends to do it Gullible and thick. A potent mix indeed. The Oasis picture makes sense. |
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Post by luke90 on Nov 7, 2019 11:59:45 GMT
My what aboutary lol. What about actually posting the exact words that came out of Rees moggs mouth. He never said it was the fault of the people who died. Words are easy to twist to suit an agenda. He said he would not have stayed in his flat. Would you? I don't actually like the guy. but report it as you hear it my statement about Labour millionaires was more about your hatred of people with money or is that just tory millionaires Where did I say I hate people with money? I don’t just hate Tory millionaires, I hate Tories, Tory candidates, Tory voters full stop. You're pretty vile to spout that. Over 13.5 million people voted Tory at the last election. How can you hate nearly a quarter of the population? Awful post. |
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Nov 7, 2019 12:45:59 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 7, 2019 12:45:59 GMT
Because those 13.5 million people voted for policies that make mothers have to prove in an application form that they were raped in order to gain access to vital child benefits, force paraplegics to drag themselves upstairs by their elbows and passing them for fit work (and awarding the private firms carrying out said assessments with bonus payments), remove any benefits and pass fit for work seriously disabled young adults who cannot communicate and are wheelchair-bound, cripplingly underfund the greatest British institution, the NHS (which the Tories voted against its formation 22 times prior to its formation) and deliberately carve it up for their private profiteer backers and donors meaning cancer sufferers have record long waiting times for treatment, sell off our national industries and transportation structures to foreign governments as jobs go and fares rise to extortionate levels whilst other countries’ tax payers feel the benefit, that inflict the longest period of wage repression in a generation and couple it with draconian laws on workers’ ability to take industrial action whilst also removing the financial support for legal challenges, that created the “gig economy” of workers spending 18 hour days on the road with a bottle to urinate in and missing urgent medical appointments that essentially kill them, that supports the rights of global fracking conglomerates to damage our earth, that cut youth centres and police officers in their thousands resulting in a rise in violent crime, and critically - inflict the ideological choice of “austerity” on the rest of us and a clear and obvious social cleansing of the poor, sick and disabled as an excuse to siphon millions to their mates.
I could go on but I’ve ran out of time on my lunch-break.
How’s all of the above for “vile”? Damn right I hate them.
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Nov 7, 2019 13:49:23 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 7, 2019 13:49:23 GMT
Suprised that Corbyn didn't get one of his terrorist friends to do it Gullible and thick. A potent mix indeed. The Oasis picture makes sense. What’s the story, Noel’s a Tory? |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 7, 2019 14:12:30 GMT
Where did I say I hate people with money? I don’t just hate Tory millionaires, I hate Tories, Tory candidates, Tory voters full stop. You're pretty vile to spout that. Over 13.5 million people voted Tory at the last election. How can you hate nearly a quarter of the population? Awful post. If you lived through Thatcherism, the Miners Strike, the poll tax and the outright assault on the working class, you would have ever reason to hate them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 14:42:34 GMT
i lived through all that.the nastiest p m maggie thatcher.chester being always a tory stronghold i was brought up on the mantra you must vote for the people with money because they know how to handle it.she changed my opinion and i voted labour for a few years.then tony blair came along and lied about every thing .then back to tory.now i don't believe any of them they are all out for them selves.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 7, 2019 15:11:52 GMT
I don't believe in hating people for their political opinions. You don't change anyone's mind by hating or insulting them. I'd rather listen to them and have a discussion.
I hate some politicians, because I believe many of them know better and are manipulating people for their own greed.
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Post by luke90 on Nov 7, 2019 15:26:43 GMT
You cannot say everyone is the same though, you are just profiling nearly a quarter of the population. If that was around race or sexual orientation there would be outrage (not saying you are you or would do that). You clearly have a different way of thinking, which is fair enough. How do you propose to turn these people that you hate to your way of thinking? If you want a labour government, you need this people that you hate to come around to your thinking really? |
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Post by jb on Nov 7, 2019 19:03:56 GMT
The last time I read such levels of hatred from one individual was in an A level History text book about some horrible little bloke from Austria with a weird tache. He wanted all travellers exterminated too.
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Post by Al on Nov 8, 2019 23:33:37 GMT
Bit of a mess isn't it... Nearly 2 years on and it's still a mess |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 9, 2019 8:10:12 GMT
It’s such a mess that Boris Johnson, speaking in Northern Ireland, is making the case for us to REMAIN!
And people say Labour’s stance (negotiate a deal and put it to the people) is confused...
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Post by happyclapper on Nov 10, 2019 0:13:35 GMT
It’s such a mess that Boris Johnson, speaking in Northern Ireland, is making the case for us to REMAIN! And people say Labour’s stance (negotiate a deal and put it to the people) is confused... That will be the stance that says that they will renegotiate a deal.....then vote against it? Oh unless your Corbyn who doesn't have the bollocks to say which way he would vote on the new negotiated deal. He's anti European, he knows full well he can't renationalise under EU rules so his manifesto is already dead in the water if they stay in. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 10, 2019 0:32:17 GMT
It’s such a mess that Boris Johnson, speaking in Northern Ireland, is making the case for us to REMAIN! And people say Labour’s stance (negotiate a deal and put it to the people) is confused... That will be the stance that says that they will renegotiate a deal.....then vote against it? Oh unless your Corbyn who doesn't have the bollocks to say which way he would vote on the new negotiated deal. He's anti European, he knows full well he can't renationalise under EU rules so his manifesto is already dead in the water if they stay in. I think that EU renationalisation thing is something of an urban myth. link |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 10, 2019 7:16:02 GMT
It’s such a mess that Boris Johnson, speaking in Northern Ireland, is making the case for us to REMAIN! And people say Labour’s stance (negotiate a deal and put it to the people) is confused... That will be the stance that says that they will renegotiate a deal.....then vote against it? Oh unless your Corbyn who doesn't have the bollocks to say which way he would vote on the new negotiated deal. He's anti European, he knows full well he can't renationalise under EU rules so his manifesto is already dead in the water if they stay in. No, Labour would let the people decide. What’s wrong with that? Why do people think a good strong leader has to be a self-centred, ego-driven authoritarian? There are more ways to lead. |
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Post by happyclapper on Nov 10, 2019 12:11:26 GMT
That will be the stance that says that they will renegotiate a deal.....then vote against it? Oh unless your Corbyn who doesn't have the bollocks to say which way he would vote on the new negotiated deal. He's anti European, he knows full well he can't renationalise under EU rules so his manifesto is already dead in the water if they stay in. No, Labour would let the people decide. What’s wrong with that? Why do people think a good strong leader has to be a self-centred, ego-driven authoritarian? There are more ways to lead. So why won't he say which way he would vote? the only politician as far as I am aware who won't say which way he would vote....he's weak and won't stand up to the remainers in his party. |
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