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Nov 10, 2019 12:26:07 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 10, 2019 12:26:07 GMT
No, Labour would let the people decide. What’s wrong with that? Why do people think a good strong leader has to be a self-centred, ego-driven authoritarian? There are more ways to lead. So why won't he say which way he would vote? the only politician as far as I am aware who won't say which way he would vote....he's weak and won't stand up to the remainers in his party. If policy is to let the people decide why would he need to? Still standing after five years of a disgusting incessant smear campaign - “weak”. Ok then... |
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Post by happyclapper on Nov 10, 2019 12:26:36 GMT
That will be the stance that says that they will renegotiate a deal.....then vote against it? Oh unless your Corbyn who doesn't have the bollocks to say which way he would vote on the new negotiated deal. He's anti European, he knows full well he can't renationalise under EU rules so his manifesto is already dead in the water if they stay in. I think that EU renationalisation thing is something of an urban myth. linkYeah that's an interesting article but the only example it gives is a French shipyard which was put into a temporary nationalisation not a permanent one. Similar to the RBS nationalisation whereby the EU made it clear that the British government had to sell the shares off over a period of time, so to will the French government in this shipyard. Other than that the article gives no specific times that wholly privatised company's previously state owned have now been renationalised. Im actually in favour of renationalising them but I don't think we can do that under EU regulations. The rail companies is an easier one as they are run under franchise and therefore they can allow those franchises to run their course then bring them back into the fold. The rest are going to be a major headache for them. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 10, 2019 12:40:35 GMT
Yeah that's an interesting article but the only example it gives is a French shipyard which was put into a temporary nationalisation not a permanent one. Similar to the RBS nationalisation whereby the EU made it clear that the British government had to sell the shares off over a period of time, so to will the French government in this shipyard. Other than that the article gives no specific times that wholly privatised company's previously state owned have now been renationalised. Im actually in favour of renationalising them but I don't think we can do that under EU regulations. The rail companies is an easier one as they are run under franchise and therefore they can allow those franchises to run their course then bring them back into the fold. The rest are going to be a major headache for them. Labour has stated on numerous occasions that as part of negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU they would look to enforce exemptions from EU regulation on state aid. Why on earth does it matter how Corbyn would vote in any referendum? It's almost as if people think they're too thick to know how to vote without being instructed by politicians. Also, I'm pretty sure Jeremy would come out one way or the other, but seeing as Labour hasn't negotiated their 'Leave' deal yet, it would be pretty stupid to do so at this point. |
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Nov 10, 2019 12:50:56 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 10, 2019 12:50:56 GMT
So why won't he say which way he would vote? the only politician as far as I am aware who won't say which way he would vote....he's weak and won't stand up to the remainers in his party. If policy is to let the people decide why would he need to? Still standing after five years of a disgusting incessant smear campaign - “weak”. Ok then... No more disgusting than the things about Tory voters you put on here. You're as bad as them. |
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Nov 10, 2019 13:42:18 GMT
Post by happyclapper on Nov 10, 2019 13:42:18 GMT
Yeah that's an interesting article but the only example it gives is a French shipyard which was put into a temporary nationalisation not a permanent one. Similar to the RBS nationalisation whereby the EU made it clear that the British government had to sell the shares off over a period of time, so to will the French government in this shipyard. Other than that the article gives no specific times that wholly privatised company's previously state owned have now been renationalised. Im actually in favour of renationalising them but I don't think we can do that under EU regulations. The rail companies is an easier one as they are run under franchise and therefore they can allow those franchises to run their course then bring them back into the fold. The rest are going to be a major headache for them. Labour has stated on numerous occasions that as part of negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU they would look to enforce exemptions from EU regulation on state aid.
Why on earth does it matter how Corbyn would vote in any referendum? It's almost as if people think they're too thick to know how to vote without being instructed by politicians. Also, I'm pretty sure Jeremy would come out one way or the other, but seeing as Labour hasn't negotiated their 'Leave' deal yet, it would be pretty stupid to do so at this point. Its not just EU regulations though, its also covered by WTO regulations as well - hence Airbus falling foul of those regulations and UK companies now having to incur Tariffs on their exports to the US. And yes it is very important that people know how Corbyn feels about a referendum, why shouldn't he be honest and just come out and say what he wants - I think he would gain some respect back from Labour area's in the country that have voted to leave by doing so and maybe get some votes back which otherwise are going to go to the Brexit party. |
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Nov 10, 2019 14:14:33 GMT
Post by happyclapper on Nov 10, 2019 14:14:33 GMT
So why won't he say which way he would vote? the only politician as far as I am aware who won't say which way he would vote....he's weak and won't stand up to the remainers in his party. If policy is to let the people decide why would he need to? Still standing after five years of a disgusting incessant smear campaign - “weak”. Ok then... He is perceived as weak, that's why his personal standing in polls is the lowest of any labour leader since the second world war. |
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Nov 10, 2019 14:53:34 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 10, 2019 14:53:34 GMT
If policy is to let the people decide why would he need to? Still standing after five years of a disgusting incessant smear campaign - “weak”. Ok then... He is perceived as weak, that's why his personal standing in polls is the lowest of any labour leader since the second world war. Yet he facilitated the biggest increase in a share of the vote since then. Explain that? |
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Nov 10, 2019 15:07:57 GMT
Post by happyclapper on Nov 10, 2019 15:07:57 GMT
He is perceived as weak, that's why his personal standing in polls is the lowest of any labour leader since the second world war. Yet he facilitated the biggest increase in a share of the vote since then. Explain that? That was back in 2017, his personal ratings have since slumped - 24 hours is a long time in politics never mind 2 years  That information by the way is not my opinion but the came from Professor John Curtice the guy who appears on election nights to give his opinion on the voting patterns. |
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Nov 10, 2019 15:45:10 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 10, 2019 15:45:10 GMT
Yet he facilitated the biggest increase in a share of the vote since then. Explain that? That was back in 2017, his personal ratings have since slumped - 24 hours is a long time in politics never mind 2 years That information by the way is not my opinion but the came from Professor John Curtice the guy who appears on election nights to give his opinion on the voting patterns. The polls predicted Remain 2016 and Tory whitewash 2017. They mean naff all. You know for a “happy clapper” you’re very negative and doom mongering! |
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Nov 10, 2019 16:06:33 GMT
Post by happyclapper on Nov 10, 2019 16:06:33 GMT
That was back in 2017, his personal ratings have since slumped - 24 hours is a long time in politics never mind 2 years That information by the way is not my opinion but the came from Professor John Curtice the guy who appears on election nights to give his opinion on the voting patterns. The polls predicted Remain 2016 and Tory whitewash 2017. They mean naff all. You know for a “happy clapper” you’re very negative and doom mongering! Doom mongering in what respect? the fact that I don't agree with your Corbyn love in, is that not the whole point of democracy? unless of course you are a remainer and want to keep voting until you get the correct result  |
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Nov 10, 2019 17:13:55 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 10, 2019 17:13:55 GMT
I voted Remain but the matter of who runs our country is far more important than whether or not we are tied into the EU and indeed there are many left-wing reasons to leave the EU (but the Leave cause has been hijacked by the far right sadly).
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Post by Lobster on Nov 11, 2019 7:17:18 GMT
Myself, I think Labour and the Tories will both do better than expected in this election.
There's a degree of 'echo chamber' about what we're hearing from a lot of the media. The centrist view is that neither main party is fit for purpose and both are losing support, but I'm not really seeing any sign of centrists getting behind anyone else. In reality I think both are galvanising a certain demographic. There are more people who love Boris Johnson than loved Theresa May, and likewise Corbyn than Milliband.
The last election saw the return of two-party dominance. Can't really see this one being much different.
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Nov 11, 2019 10:47:01 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 11, 2019 10:47:01 GMT
BBC doing a terrible job of adhering to election purdah I see. Using footage of Johnson’s wreath laying from three years ago in all of their reports to cover up his gaffes yesterday. This is a subject that Corbyn’s biggest critics go for every year. Propaganda at its best.
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Nov 11, 2019 16:07:29 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 11, 2019 16:07:29 GMT
As Nigel Farage takes £100 from would-be candidates before unilaterally deciding they won’t stand, Brexit Party members get to know what it really feels like to send significant sums of money to undemocratic, unelected leaders.
Oh, and he’s been offered a peerage to do so.
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Nov 11, 2019 17:19:48 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 11, 2019 17:19:48 GMT
BBC doing a terrible job of adhering to election purdah I see. Using footage of Johnson’s wreath laying from three years ago in all of their reports to cover up his gaffes yesterday. This is a subject that Corbyn’s biggest critics go for every year. Propaganda at its best. This was absolutely despicable to be fair - I generally give the BBC the benefit of the doubt in cases of 'impartiality' but this is totally and utterly indefensible. A risibly obvious piece of state propaganda. |
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Nov 11, 2019 21:05:35 GMT
Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 11, 2019 21:05:35 GMT
Had the misfortune to watch the BBC news, the other night. Impartial my ass.
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Nov 11, 2019 21:12:00 GMT
Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 11, 2019 21:12:00 GMT
My second point is that, there should now be tactical voting on an industrial scale, to deny the far right from taking power.
The Tories and the Brexit party are one and the same and any One Nation Conservatives, should vote for Pro Remain parties.
And Labour Leave voters, should now be aware that if you vote for the Brexit Party , you get the Conservatives.
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Nov 12, 2019 7:44:42 GMT
Post by Lobster on Nov 12, 2019 7:44:42 GMT
BBC doing a terrible job of adhering to election purdah I see. Using footage of Johnson’s wreath laying from three years ago in all of their reports to cover up his gaffes yesterday. This is a subject that Corbyn’s biggest critics go for every year. Propaganda at its best. This was absolutely despicable to be fair - I generally give the BBC the benefit of the doubt in cases of 'impartiality' but this is totally and utterly indefensible. A risibly obvious piece of state propaganda. Reading some reactions to this, even a lot of people who dislike Corbyn have admitted this is shocking.
Impartially doesn't mean covering up the PM's blunders. If Corbyn had been in any way clumsy or inappropriate at a Remembrance Day service, you can be sure the BBC would have made it its interest not to have any "production mistakes".
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Nov 12, 2019 7:56:39 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 12, 2019 7:56:39 GMT
This was absolutely despicable to be fair - I generally give the BBC the benefit of the doubt in cases of 'impartiality' but this is totally and utterly indefensible. A risibly obvious piece of state propaganda. Reading some reactions to this, even a lot of people who dislike Corbyn have admitted this is shocking.
Impartially doesn't mean covering up the PM's blunders. If Corbyn had been in any way clumsy or inappropriate at a Remembrance Day service, you can be sure the BBC would have made it its interest not to have any "production mistakes".
People make mistakes. It's like claiming for the costs of a wreath. Easily done. |
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Nov 12, 2019 8:24:16 GMT
Post by Lobster on Nov 12, 2019 8:24:16 GMT
Reading some reactions to this, even a lot of people who dislike Corbyn have admitted this is shocking.
Impartially doesn't mean covering up the PM's blunders. If Corbyn had been in any way clumsy or inappropriate at a Remembrance Day service, you can be sure the BBC would have made it its interest not to have any "production mistakes".
People make mistakes. It's like claiming for the costs of a wreath. Easily done. It may have been a mistake, but it's my view that if Corbyn had done it, that would have been the story. |
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Nov 12, 2019 8:32:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 8:32:11 GMT
The wreath is not upside down as you can clearly see the poppies. The label may be in the wrong place but I don't think it's a hanging offence. Now BBC on the other hand that's another thing. It's about time the licence was scrapped.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 12, 2019 9:01:07 GMT
Reading some reactions to this, even a lot of people who dislike Corbyn have admitted this is shocking.
Impartially doesn't mean covering up the PM's blunders. If Corbyn had been in any way clumsy or inappropriate at a Remembrance Day service, you can be sure the BBC would have made it its interest not to have any "production mistakes".
People make mistakes. It's like claiming for the costs of a wreath. Easily done. Classic bit of whataboutery there. |
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Nov 12, 2019 9:23:46 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 12, 2019 9:23:46 GMT
People make mistakes. It's like claiming for the costs of a wreath. Easily done. Classic bit of whataboutery there. Haha you're quality Ian. |
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Nov 12, 2019 9:40:53 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 12, 2019 9:40:53 GMT
Classic bit of whataboutery there. Haha you're quality Ian. Ditto yourself Tory Boy. |
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Nov 12, 2019 9:47:30 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 12, 2019 9:47:30 GMT
Thanks! Seriously though, I dont know why you get in to such a 'hot funk' (as you like to say) when some of us simply try to add a different perspective to this debate. |
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Nov 12, 2019 10:21:41 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 12, 2019 10:21:41 GMT
Thanks! Seriously though, I dont know why you get in to such a 'hot funk' (as you like to say) when some of us simply try to add a different perspective to this debate. Who’s in a hot funk sweetie? Also, not sure what perspective you’re trying to add here? Is it The Sun’s or The Daily Mail’s? |
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Nov 12, 2019 10:46:01 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 12, 2019 10:46:01 GMT
Who’s been crying? I wish I knew what you are going on about as it doesn’t make a lot of sense. My advise would be to have a relax, maybe sit down in a darkened room with a wet flannel on your visage.
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Nov 12, 2019 10:54:29 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 12, 2019 10:54:29 GMT
So defensive! Let's leave this here.
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Nov 12, 2019 11:02:55 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 12, 2019 11:02:55 GMT
So defensive! Let's leave this here. Fine by me, just wish I knew what you were going on about. |
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Nov 12, 2019 11:10:36 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 12, 2019 11:10:36 GMT
So defensive! Let's leave this here. Fine by me, just wish I knew what you were going on about. Ditto sweetie! |
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