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Jan 9, 2020 13:26:06 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 9, 2020 13:26:06 GMT
We're on the brink of a war, about to leave the EU in three weeks, another country is on fire and Boris is either still on holiday or just swanning doing nothing like he always does. And the main story in Britain? Harry and Meghan have upset the Queen.
This frigging country!
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Jan 9, 2020 14:20:42 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 9, 2020 14:20:42 GMT
We're on the brink of a war, about to leave the EU in three weeks, another country is on fire and Boris is either still on holiday or just swanning doing nothing like he always does. And the main story in Britain? Harry and Meghan have upset the Queen. This frigging country! Distraction. It’s nothing new.
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Jan 9, 2020 20:06:49 GMT
Post by Mean Machine on Jan 9, 2020 20:06:49 GMT
The EU ban on US chlorine washed chicken and hormone treated beef to remain in place and passed in UK law post Brexit according to Theresa Villiers So that's one scaremongering b******T story of the remoaners laid to rest Car maker PSA says worse case scenario of a no deal Brexit is 10% tariff on imported cars and no impact on supply of cars or parts { from internal memo circulated to its dealers] New 208 and 2008 have been in the showrooms this week Electric versions of both Plus new corsa are imminant, and while not a game changer, with a range of over 200 miles on a full charge will be the next step forward
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 10, 2020 13:30:47 GMT
You forgot to mention the huge investment going into the Airbus factory in Broughton.
They were awful for scaremongering.
I'm not convinced we'll be in any way better off following Brexit, but i certainly dont believe it'll be as catastrophic as made out.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:12:32 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 10, 2020 15:12:32 GMT
You forgot to mention the huge investment going into the Airbus factory in Broughton. They were awful for scaremongering. I'm not convinced we'll be in any way better off following Brexit, but i certainly dont believe it'll be as catastrophic as made out. I don't either, but I do think a Boris Johnson government will be catastrophic.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 10, 2020 17:40:44 GMT
Every centrist defector, and Swinson, lost their seat pal. In 2017 Corbyn was leader, the manifesto was radical, the position on Brexit was to respect the referendum, Labour wiped out a Tory majority with the biggest increase in vote share for almost half a century. In 2019, Corbyn was leader, the manifesto was radical, the position on Brexit was changed to have a second referendum, Labour lost record numbers of seats (52/54 in Leave areas). The leader didn’t change, the radical socialist policies didn’t change, the position on Brexit did. They are the facts. As I said above, it isn’t rocket science. Brexit like Trump's America, is a descent into Protectionism and Nationalism. I lived through the 80's and given the utter destruction of the unions, by Thatcher, many progressives turned to Europe in order to safeguard, employment protection and health and safety. Once out of Europe such protections will be easy pickings for the popularist right and it may be a lesson, that the leave voting areas, will need to learn the hard way. In there fear of immigration, they may well have traded their employment rights and welfare protections. I think Labour should remain an Internationalist party, because I think out of sheer necessity, we will be dragged back towards the single market and the customs union.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 10, 2020 23:45:28 GMT
Iraq's sovereign elected government voted 170-0 to remove US troops. And the US rogue regime is refusing to listen, and just announced that it will not leave.
Let's be clear: This is a criminal military occupation of a sovereign foreign nation. The illegal, murderous US war on Iraq never ended. Our PM is following like the good little lapdog that he is.
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Jan 10, 2020 23:50:35 GMT
Post by ddod on Jan 10, 2020 23:50:35 GMT
Wasn't it Labour that led us to that war to begin with? I suspect on the very small minuscule chance Labour had won the election that sniveler Steptoe would do the same thing.
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Jan 11, 2020 0:02:55 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2020 0:02:55 GMT
Wasn't it Labour that led us to that war to begin with? I suspect on the very small minuscule chance Labour had won the election that sniveler Steptoe would do the same thing. George W Bush led us to war, Tory-lite Tony Blair was the lapdog, Jeremy Corbyn is Chair of the CND, voted against the war at the time and is famously a pacifist. Come on pal, I know you’re not an idiot so why do you pretend to be one?
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Jan 12, 2020 0:12:07 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 12, 2020 0:12:07 GMT
The economic cost of Brexit (so far) now exceeds what we’ve net paid-in to the EU over 47 years. Incredible really.
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Jan 12, 2020 7:56:05 GMT
Post by blaconboy on Jan 12, 2020 7:56:05 GMT
The economic cost of Brexit (so far) now exceeds what we’ve net paid-in to the EU over 47 years. Incredible really. Figures and source?
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Jan 12, 2020 10:03:14 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 12, 2020 10:03:14 GMT
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Jan 13, 2020 20:31:38 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 13, 2020 20:31:38 GMT
I see the Board of Deputies are up to their dirty tricks. Shameful that all five candidates for Labour leader have kowtowed to a Tory-supporting group who wishes to hold reign over the Party.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 14, 2020 9:58:43 GMT
I see the Board of Deputies are up to their dirty tricks. Shameful that all five candidates for Labour leader have kowtowed to a Tory-supporting group who wishes to hold reign over the Party. I think it's dangerous for a politician to fully endorse the IHRA definition of antisemitism, particularly these two points:
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor. - Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
To me, that's asking for Israel to have special immunity to criticism and scrutiny. That's not a healthy attitude to any country, but especially not one where tensions are as high as Israel, where you can't really fully support it without at least partially opposing Palestine. And if being anti-Isreal is antisemitic, surely being anti-Palestine is Islamophobic?
Can't see any solution to this issue. To me, it's one of countless examples of how religion continues to defy logic and hinder progress and peace.
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Jan 14, 2020 14:00:24 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 14, 2020 14:00:24 GMT
I’d say the worst is clause 8...
“Labour must engage with the Jewish community via its main representative groups, and not through fringe organisations and individuals.“
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Jan 15, 2020 20:37:11 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Jan 15, 2020 20:37:11 GMT
Labour Membership look like Rebecca Long Bailey is their winning ticket. Get used to those food banks lads. The Tory Reich has got another 20 years left.
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Jan 15, 2020 20:52:40 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 15, 2020 20:52:40 GMT
RLB best of the options really. Such a great shame Lavery didn’t stand.
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Jan 15, 2020 21:23:55 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Jan 15, 2020 21:23:55 GMT
RLB best of the options really. Such a great shame Lavery didn’t stand. For the Tories, yes. For the country, no.
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Jan 15, 2020 21:26:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 15, 2020 21:26:26 GMT
RLB best of the options really. Such a great shame Lavery didn’t stand. For the Tories, yes. For the country, no. What’s wrong with Lavery? Working class northern Brexiter.
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Jan 15, 2020 21:33:01 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Jan 15, 2020 21:33:01 GMT
For the Tories, yes. For the country, no. What’s wrong with Lavery? Working class northern Brexiter. How much did he take from the union of mineworkers to pay his mortgage? £165,000? And a Brexiteer to boot? Jesus Christ, no ownership whatsoever.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 15, 2020 22:42:51 GMT
For the Tories, yes. For the country, no. What’s wrong with Lavery? Working class northern Brexiter. That story deliberately misses the very basic way all unions work. They all take money from their members, and use that cash to pay salaries to officials. However, those officials are paid to help the members win more money. As long as the third part of the equation works, there is no problem. Lavery helped to win tens, possibly hundreds of millions of pounds in compensation for ex-Mineworkers during his tenure. This is how unions work, everyone pays in so the union can help members get more. The bulk of the subs goes on salaries, because that is a union’s main expense. Northumberland NUM only asked for voluntary donations after compensation had been paid. From 2003-2010, the NUM received around £1.6m in donations from members who had received compensation with the union’s help. This is the reason that, despite a so-called press “investigation” running for years, no ex-Northumberland NUM members have rushed forward to complain about Lavery. Which, given there are always some discontented union members, is pretty remarkable. Perhaps less remarkably, not one of the journalists obsessing over Lavery’s income had ever written about how miners had won compensation for industrial diseases. Another attack on a left-winger for nothing.
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Jan 16, 2020 6:52:29 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 16, 2020 6:52:29 GMT
RLB best of the options really. Such a great shame Lavery didn’t stand. I don't think RLB is the answer sadly. She might be the one I identify most with, but I don't think she can win an election. Look at any news story about her on Twitter or Facebook and the comments are full of sexist bile. Bernie Sanders is getting criticism for supposedly saying he didn't think a woman could win a US election, but I think he's right unfortunately - at least not a relatively young woman on the left. Neither us nor the US are mature enough for that at the moment. Labour supporters may have to "sell out" a bit and think about who the public will vote for rather than just who they will. I'm no Blairite but I'd take him over the government we've got now. I'm still undecided though on what the direction of the party should be, and I think gauging the mood of the public over the next 2-3 months will help it take shape.
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Jan 16, 2020 7:05:43 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 16, 2020 7:05:43 GMT
When you look at why Labour lost the election it’s hard to argue that Starmer is right for leader, but because he is perceived to be the one who “looks like a Prime Minister” nothing else seems to matter. We need to move past this idea and focus on the actual politics but the majority of the voting public, helped in large part by the media and “celebrity” culture, will never take politics seriously.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2020 9:54:26 GMT
We really are such a peculiar country sometimes.
If it's not bad enough that at this time of national and international crossroads, our news is dominated by what a prince and his wife are doing, there are also genuine campaigns to raise six-figure sums get an old clock to bong when we leave the EU. This at a time when poverty levels and food bank use are higher than ever.
As a bit of an idealistic leftie, I often get told I'm living in a dream world, but this sort of carry-on to me shows immense immaturity and no grip on reality.
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Jan 17, 2020 10:12:49 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 17, 2020 10:12:49 GMT
The government are pondering tax cuts for those who earn over £110,000 a year. Meanwhile Poole A&E has closed down meaning a further eight mile trip to Bournemouth for life or death situations.
One Nation Conservatism, We’re All In This Together, The People’s Government etc etc etc
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Jan 17, 2020 10:24:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 10:24:56 GMT
What I find odd about the big Ben bongs is the estimated cost of £500 000 to make it happen. Who paid for it to chime on new years eve?
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Jan 17, 2020 11:23:07 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2020 11:23:07 GMT
What I find odd about the big Ben bongs is the estimated cost of £500 000 to make it happen. Who paid for it to chime on new years eve? There's probably an argument that any expenses on the new year celebrations are worth it because of the thousands of people who turn out and spend money while they're there. On Brexit day you'll just get some halfwit in a Union Jack suit who's brought his own flask of oxtail soup.
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Jan 17, 2020 11:28:51 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 17, 2020 11:28:51 GMT
What I find odd about the big Ben bongs is the estimated cost of £500 000 to make it happen. Who paid for it to chime on new years eve? Google is your friend
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Jan 17, 2020 13:15:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 13:15:27 GMT
Nice to see brexiteers are still referred to as half wits.
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Jan 17, 2020 13:28:26 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2020 13:28:26 GMT
Nice to see brexiteers are still referred to as half wits. Not all of them, but anyone who wants to fund a clock bonging and will turn up in a Union Jack suit for the purpose is a halfwit in my opinion, yes.
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