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Post by Al on Feb 14, 2017 10:27:41 GMT
He's gone then. Apparently a deal was agreed and then he asked for more money. Wierd move. Maybe he can find a club willing to pay him more in the summer (Fylde?) But it's a risk. Deja-vu...
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Post by Harry Lime on Feb 14, 2017 10:32:10 GMT
It was the way JR left, and his comments at the time that showed a complete lack of class. A fans owned club that had paid his wages for nearly 3 years. Very poor indeed. However, the stats tell us he was a good player for us. Better than most we have now. Like it or not. As soon as Macca took over and played him in a more suitable position he started scoring again, and played better. Look at the difference in most of last season's players under Burr, and the way they've performed under Macca. Who's to say JR wouldn't have blossomed here this season? Don't blame a player (employee) for moving to another place of work for double (?) the wages and a longer contract. Most of us probably would too. You don't know what bull Mills gave him at the time. Good to see he's left Wrexham, though. Not really a longer contract as it looks to have only been 29 games whereas he would have got at least 12 months here That's 20/20 vision with the benefit of hindsight. Be interesting to see where he ends up next season. Guiseley did have a rich owner when in the Conference North. Presume he's still there judging by the players they seem to manage to sign. Can't be funded by their crowds. Will always be struggling to stay in this league, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 10:35:06 GMT
Just waiting for HIS spin on it "Guiseley is a massive club and when they came calling it was too good to turn down" At least he'll be on first name terms with everyone in the crowd And there it is!!! guiseleyafc.co.uk/Not quite what I thought he would say but "fantastic project"? - Good God! |
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Post by Dodge on Feb 14, 2017 10:41:19 GMT
"JOHN ROONEY IS A RED HE HATES CHESTER" hahahahaha
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Post by wxmred1974 on Feb 14, 2017 10:59:27 GMT
Greedy tw** tried to be smart and get double he's on now tried to have keates feel sorry for him and give in to him
now i know how you lot feel
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Post by MOC on Feb 14, 2017 11:01:27 GMT
Just waiting for HIS spin on it "Guiseley is a massive club and when they came calling it was too good to turn down" At least he'll be on first name terms with everyone in the crowd "I've always dreamed of signing for Guiseley ever since me dad took us to Harry Ramsden's as a kid..." |
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Post by ted the count on Feb 14, 2017 11:05:37 GMT
Sad for Wxm to lose a player who's in good form atm(Still think he's very hit and miss myself) but the club cant be held to ransom.NEVER thought i'd say this...but good on you Keates.I'm going to wash my mouth out now haha.
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Post by agl on Feb 14, 2017 11:31:55 GMT
Just waiting for HIS spin on it "Guiseley is a massive club and when they came calling it was too good to turn down" At least he'll be on first name terms with everyone in the crowd And there it is!!! guiseleyafc.co.uk/Not quite what I thought he would say but "fantastic project"? - Good God! Might be an idea for him to learn how to spell the name of his new club. |
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Post by Almost Blue on Feb 14, 2017 12:38:12 GMT
I know he split opinion but I'd welcome Rooney back with open arms.
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Post by Al on Feb 14, 2017 12:41:30 GMT
I know he split opinion but I'd welcome Rooney back with open arms.
He was decent when he wanted to be but unfortunately that only seemed to be when he was nearing the end of his contract.
If he'd have been gracious in the summer about his move to Wrexham then fair enough I would have him back, but he well and truly burnt his bridges with the way he moved and with the subsequent interviews afterwards.
From the sounds of it he's tried pulling a similar stunt with Wrexham (verbally agreeing a deal then renegading on it afterwards).
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Feb 14, 2017 12:42:07 GMT
For a player a lot of Chester fans seemed happy to see go (albeit maybe not the way he went about it) he certainly seems to attract a lot of our attention.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 14, 2017 13:16:05 GMT
To be fair, i'm not sure if anyone agrees, this actually makes me feel better about the Wrexham move as it corroborates entirely his stance that he went for the money. If Mills offered him a FAT deal then i think it's fair enough. I accept the fact he agreed verbally with us doesn't reflect well on him but this move just shows he's all about the money, and isn't arsed where he plays.
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Post by englishred on Feb 14, 2017 13:20:30 GMT
"We have been in negotiations, we have tried to get it sorted, and in the end we gave him what he wanted,” said Keates.
“We got the contract written up and then the goalposts moved a little bit, and he asked for more. It was a case of we were not going to be held over a barrel.
“I am disappointed that we couldn’t come to some sort of agreement, the contract was there for him for next season, but it is football and it happens."
Pretty much exactly what he did with you lot.
Oh well we move on. This sort of behaviour will surely come and bite him in the end. I'm sure a bank rolled club coming up will pick him up for next season.
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Post by Arrogant Blue on Feb 14, 2017 13:33:57 GMT
For a player a lot of Chester fans seemed happy to see go (albeit maybe not the way he went about it) he certainly seems to attract a lot of our attention. How can this story not attract attention? Scoring goals and the Wrexham fans start to love him and then heads off for a bankrolled team who play in front of 600 fans. Typical modern day non-league journeyman footballer. Next stop Fylde............ |
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Feb 14, 2017 13:42:55 GMT
For a player a lot of Chester fans seemed happy to see go (albeit maybe not the way he went about it) he certainly seems to attract a lot of our attention. How can this story not attract attention? Scoring goals and the Wrexham fans start to love him and then heads off for a bankrolled team who play in front of 600 fans. Typical modern day non-league journeyman footballer. Next stop Fylde............ He had many similar sized threads long before this news came about. Yeah he's a "typical non-league journeyman footballer", one of many who passed through our gates over the years. |
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Post by bobbyshinton on Feb 14, 2017 13:55:49 GMT
i got warned at the start of the season by a chester season ticket holder that he only turns up when he wants to
he has only come to life this last 5 games as he has been carried all season.
sorry Brandon i should have believed you mate
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Post by sqzl on Feb 14, 2017 15:57:09 GMT
Disagree Guiseley is his level, if we compare his stats this year to those of Durrell who we brought in to replace him, i'd imagine Rooney's are better and that's with a slow start. Stats don't lie, he's got a fair few assists and 11 goals in 33..whether you like him as a person or not is irrelevant. Wrex fans should be miffed, no midfield goals in that side now. As for another Penn type, he won't replace those goals and probably won't sign for wrex after his loan. If he plays well, a club will come in and pay more than a mid table side like us and them. Stats don't tell the full story though. He seems to go through purple patches that distort it somewhat. Last season he was a passenger for 3/4 of the season but had a flurry of goals and assists at the end of the year. I rate him but don't think he's as good a player as the stats suggest. No i do tend to agree with you, but i was trying to suggest Guiseley isn't 'his level'. He's good enough to be at a mid table conference side if Durrell is. I like Durrell, but if someone offered me a solid left winger.. i'd take them over him personally. We don't need players that go missing in some games, but have magic moments for me, Rooney was one and so it Durrell. Not good enough to build a team around in No10 position but not a great winger either. As long as they work hard, i don't mind so much having a player with limitations. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 14, 2017 16:35:47 GMT
Glad he's gone, greedy idiot. I honestly feel for Keates, but if John Rooney wants to play in front of 700 people let him. It's typical! Modern day players only care about the money. Greedy get.
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Post by sqzl on Feb 14, 2017 16:38:38 GMT
Glad he's gone, greedy idiot. I honestly feel for Keates, but if John Rooney wants to play in front of 700 people let him. It's typical! Modern day players only care about the money. Greedy get. He's gone because Wrexham were not going to play him due to a clause THEY offered him in his contract. It's clearly a decision that's been made by both clubs, and not in my opinion, a matter of greed, it's wanting to actually play football. If you were told you can;t be played or a clause is activated and they don't want him next year, it makes sense on both sides for him to go leave. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 14, 2017 16:40:53 GMT
That's why he wouldn't stay because he wants more money.
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Post by Corner Flag on Feb 14, 2017 16:41:47 GMT
Stats don't tell the full story though. He seems to go through purple patches that distort it somewhat. Last season he was a passenger for 3/4 of the season but had a flurry of goals and assists at the end of the year. I rate him but don't think he's as good a player as the stats suggest. No i do tend to agree with you, but i was trying to suggest Guiseley isn't 'his level'. He's good enough to be at a mid table conference side if Durrell is. I like Durrell, but if someone offered me a solid left winger.. i'd take them over him personally. We don't need players that go missing in some games, but have magic moments for me, Rooney was one and so it Durrell. Not good enough to build a team around in No10 position but not a great winger either. As long as they work hard, i don't mind so much having a player with limitations. "As for another Penn type, he won't replace those goals and probably won't sign for wrex after his loan. If he plays well, a club will come in and pay more than a mid table side like us and them." Penn is not a loan player he is a free agent and has already stated he wants a contract at Wrexham next season. Corner Flag |
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Post by Corner Flag on Feb 14, 2017 16:44:17 GMT
I know he split opinion but I'd welcome Rooney back with open arms. He was very poor for most of the games he played for us and I am not sorry to see the back of him. |
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Post by wxmred on Feb 14, 2017 16:44:25 GMT
“We got the contract written*up and then the goalposts moved a little bit, and he asked for more. It was a case of we were not going to be held over a barrel.
“I am disappointed that we couldn’t come to some sort of agreement, the contract was there for him for next season, but it is football and it happens.
“Guiseley offered to take over his contract so it is money that I am not going to carry forward and it is something I can add onto next season’s money.”
Dean Keates in todays Leader on line.
copied from RedPassion
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Post by sqzl on Feb 14, 2017 16:45:34 GMT
No i do tend to agree with you, but i was trying to suggest Guiseley isn't 'his level'. He's good enough to be at a mid table conference side if Durrell is. I like Durrell, but if someone offered me a solid left winger.. i'd take them over him personally. We don't need players that go missing in some games, but have magic moments for me, Rooney was one and so it Durrell. Not good enough to build a team around in No10 position but not a great winger either. As long as they work hard, i don't mind so much having a player with limitations. "As for another Penn type, he won't replace those goals and probably won't sign for wrex after his loan. If he plays well, a club will come in and pay more than a mid table side like us and them." Penn is not a loan player he is a free agent and has already stated he wants a contract at Wrexham next season. Corner Flag Apologies, made a mistake there, thinking he was on loan because he was at Gateshead i believe earlier this season? I still don't think he'll replace those goals by any stretch, only having 14 goals since 2009! I'd be surprised if he signed for you next season, he's a player that i can see at a top side next year, which neither of our clubs currently are. |
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Post by sqzl on Feb 14, 2017 16:49:25 GMT
“We got the contract written*up and then the goalposts moved a little bit, and he asked for more. It was a case of we were not going to be held over a barrel. “I am disappointed that we couldn’t come to some sort of agreement, the contract was there for him for next season, but it is football and it happens. “Guiseley offered to take over his contract so it is money that I am not going to carry forward and it is something I can add onto next season’s money.” Dean Keates in todays Leader on line. copied from RedPassion IMO it's still a Wrexham balls up. He signed a one year deal with the option for a second based on performances? didn't he? So why would contract renegotiation need to take place if not for a balls up or wanting to reduce his wages. Don't really blame any Conference players for chasing money, given that they are not big earners in the football world and most have families to support, no matter what their name is. I can't stand the way Rooney dealt with leaving us, but for me...don't put a 30 game clause in a contract and then expect it not to backfire. |
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Post by rainfordblue on Feb 14, 2017 17:05:08 GMT
Always seemed to up his game prior to contract negotiations - shame he's not arsed the rest of the time.
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Post by Gresford red on Feb 14, 2017 17:10:04 GMT
Im not sure what to think of this now, at first I said I can't blame Rooney as Wrexham offered his contract to him with this 30 game clause and then moved the goalposts so hence him stalling, but today keates has stated that Wrexham were prepared to pay him what was on the trigger clause and now it's John Rooney that's moved the goalposts. There's no loyalty in football from the top teams to village football when there's money on offer. Well done to Dean Keates.
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Post by Ted the count on Feb 14, 2017 17:43:39 GMT
Sqzl...Taken from the Leader “We got the contract written up and then the goalposts moved a little bit, and he asked for more. It was a case of we were not going to be held over a barrel.
I agree with your initial statement that he signed a contract with the 30 game clause,they had a deal and they came to negotiate it as expected and then you have Keates statement as above.
What's so difficult to understand? Rooney wanted more in contract negotiation's than Wxm want to pay.Simple really.
Doubt he'll be at a top conf side next season tbh.I'e never heard of any offer's from the big spending club's in the league clamouring for his signature.
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Post by wxmred1974 on Feb 14, 2017 17:53:06 GMT
Mills got us in to this mess why on earth the clown horne agreed to it i'll never know imagine if we had half of the team nearing the 30 game mark and close to triggering the clause
loving how dk is handling it all he wants best for the club and the supporters had my questions about dk as manager but he's been superb got rid of the deadwood and brought some positive back to the club
good to see this board up and running and 99% of my clubs fans willing to discuss football without problems and vice versa
see you next season hopefully minus the bubble
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 18:56:29 GMT
The lads a greedy mercenary twat who deserves to rot out in a football outpost in front of 500, playing on a crap pitch in front of a temporary stand.
Good on Dean Keates and the club for standing their ground. These deals that Gary Mills was chucking around like confetti seem to have hamstrung him though. No wonder Horne and Bryn Law have run for the hills, they would be implicit in this.
Still dead funny to watch from here though as the snake turned and bit again.
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