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Post by bluboy79 on Apr 13, 2018 19:17:45 GMT
I cannot believe next season we are budgeting for 1700 crowds, have we not learned anything from this season ! We should be budgeting for about 1300 max as this is realism at the moment , also it is ridiculous to stay full time with a tiny budget. What sort of players are going to play full time for a few hundred a week, either you get kids or total shite ! Going with proper part time players is a must or we will be relegated again, whilst our youth lads are very promising only Jones and Crawford are ready physically. People keep saying there will be better away support but I can't see it most clubs are poorly supported barring a couple .
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Post by Lobster on Apr 13, 2018 19:43:24 GMT
I don’t understand at all why people think there will be more away support. Unless it turns out to be a huge game, nobody will bring anything like what Tranmere and Wrexham bring, and while there are more local clubs, not many of them are well supported. Would be inclined to agree that we need to go part-time and 1,700 sounds high.
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Post by lookingin on Apr 13, 2018 20:03:19 GMT
I cannot believe next season we are budgeting for 1700 crowds, have we not learned anything from this season ! We should be budgeting for about 1300 max as this is realism at the moment , also it is ridiculous to stay full time with a tiny budget. What sort of players are going to play full time for a few hundred a week, either you get kids or total shite ! Going with proper part time players is a must or we will be relegated again, whilst our youth lads are very promising only Jones and Crawford are ready physically. People keep saying there will be better away support but I can't see it most clubs are poorly supported barring a couple . I put a post up on here about next season crowds. Not one person said 1700. If anything we all know how hard next season will be ,and crowds could be be around 1000. Someone needs to have a word! We could be bust by Christmas if we are hoping for crowds of 1700.
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Post by sumo on Apr 13, 2018 20:10:49 GMT
I would estimate the overall average per game would be 140 away fans, with our support say 1500, so 1600-1700 for me.
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Post by lookingin on Apr 13, 2018 20:24:19 GMT
I would estimate the overall average per game would be 140 away fans, with our support say 1500, so 1600-1700 for me. We wont get 1500 on a week night?
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Post by sumo on Apr 13, 2018 20:41:31 GMT
If that's the case, we will go bust, and have no club, and it will be the fans fault.
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Post by ivawhopper on Apr 13, 2018 20:44:18 GMT
Surely it is sensible to budget on the low side and then anything more is a bonus, rather than budget on the optimistic side and then keep the fingers crossed.
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Post by sqzl on Apr 13, 2018 21:03:13 GMT
Surely it is sensible to budget on the low side and then anything more is a bonus, rather than budget on the optimistic side and then keep the fingers crossed. Said it 100 times but will say it again. It's not only more sensible, it's common accountancy practice. LK should recognise this in his position, it's really poor to forecast ambitiously when we have no fall back,
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Post by rcb on Apr 13, 2018 21:09:15 GMT
If that's the case, we will go bust, and have no club, and it will be the fans fault. What utter nonsense! Over the last few years the gap between the fans and the board has been enormous. If the club go bust it is 100% down to the board.
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Post by geoff on Apr 13, 2018 21:10:07 GMT
I agree entirely sqzi...see my post on the Dee interview thread.
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Apr 13, 2018 22:55:34 GMT
I'm absolutely baffled that LK can oversee what's happened this season yet sit there and say we are going to be ambitious again with our budget next season.
The man is a danger to the football club and we need to ensure his excessively optimistic budgeting is curtailed for the good of the football club and it's future.
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Post by sumo on Apr 13, 2018 22:57:49 GMT
If that's the case, we will go bust, and have no club, and it will be the fans fault. What utter nonsense! Over the last few years the gap between the fans and the board has been enormous. If the club go bust it is 100% down to the board. Its a matter of opinion, and yours is wrong.
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Post by Al on Apr 13, 2018 23:10:06 GMT
If that's the case, we will go bust, and have no club, and it will be the fans fault. What utter nonsense! Over the last few years the gap between the fans and the board has been enormous. If the club go bust it is 100% down to the board. [br And yet you still can't see can you? The boards we've had have never been perfect. They'll never be perfect. What we have are well meaning volunteers sticking their necks out to try and build a better club. If people don't turn up through the gates, or offer their help - then - given the price reductions for admission and the incentives especially for children, its on us all as supporters, it's on those people not turning up for weeks on end. The club lives and dies by the supporters turning up week on week. If we carry on with gates of 700 the stay aways will kill the club. And the Wrexham fans will be right
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Post by marner93 on Apr 14, 2018 8:39:25 GMT
What utter nonsense! Over the last few years the gap between the fans and the board has been enormous. If the club go bust it is 100% down to the board. [br And yet you still can't see can you? The boards we've had have never been perfect. They'll never be perfect. What we have are well meaning volunteers sticking their necks out to try and build a better club. If people don't turn up through the gates, or offer their help - then - given the price reductions for admission and the incentives especially for children, its on us all as supporters, it's on those people not turning up for weeks on end. The club lives and dies by the supporters turning up week on week. If we carry on with gates of 700 the stay aways will kill the club. And the Wrexham fans will be right So what, we just lurch from one disaster to another until people finally have enough? There must be courses or other teams in our position, Wimbledon, Exeter we can can learn from. See what they do to improve and safeguard themselves. Otherwise we're fucked.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Apr 14, 2018 8:48:45 GMT
What utter nonsense! Over the last few years the gap between the fans and the board has been enormous. If the club go bust it is 100% down to the board. [br And yet you still can't see can you? The boards we've had have never been perfect. They'll never be perfect. What we have are well meaning volunteers sticking their necks out to try and build a better club. If people don't turn up through the gates, [\b]or offer their help - then - given the price reductions for admission and the incentives especially for children, its on us all as supporters, it's on those people not turning up for weeks on end.
The club lives and dies by the supporters turning up week on week. If we carry on with gates of 700 the stay aways will kill the club. And the Wrexham fans will be right[\b] You going to attend a few games then? Or just lecture others?
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Post by Al on Apr 14, 2018 8:53:38 GMT
[br And yet you still can't see can you? The boards we've had have never been perfect. They'll never be perfect. What we have are well meaning volunteers sticking their necks out to try and build a better club. If people don't turn up through the gates, [\b]or offer their help - then - given the price reductions for admission and the incentives especially for children, its on us all as supporters, it's on those people not turning up for weeks on end.
The club lives and dies by the supporters turning up week on week. If we carry on with gates of 700 the stay aways will kill the club. And the Wrexham fans will be right[\b] You going to attend a few games then? Or just lecture others? Do you really want to go there Andy?
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Post by Matt on Apr 14, 2018 8:57:36 GMT
[br And yet you still can't see can you? The boards we've had have never been perfect. They'll never be perfect. What we have are well meaning volunteers sticking their necks out to try and build a better club. If people don't turn up through the gates, [\b]or offer their help - then - given the price reductions for admission and the incentives especially for children, its on us all as supporters, it's on those people not turning up for weeks on end.
The club lives and dies by the supporters turning up week on week. If we carry on with gates of 700 the stay aways will kill the club. And the Wrexham fans will be right[\b] You going to attend a few games then? Or just lecture others? I'm getting lectures too. Very much the good old days of Vaughan and his cronies coming onto DC1
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Post by Matt on Apr 14, 2018 8:58:25 GMT
[\b] You going to attend a few games then? Or just lecture others? Do you really want to go there Andy? I'm getting bloody lectures for being NOT in the Harry Mac. the Cheek!
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Post by iandychesterfc on Apr 14, 2018 9:01:45 GMT
He’s got kids and stuff, has his reasons for not attending matches Matt. Just shouldn’t lecture others.
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Post by Al on Apr 14, 2018 9:03:57 GMT
He’s got kids and stuff, has his reasons for not attending matches Matt. Just shouldn’t lecture others. You're so full of shit Holliday. I go to as many games as I can, and you know full well why I couldn't get to many earlier in the season. So yeah Holliday, keep it coming.
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Post by durdy on Apr 14, 2018 9:07:15 GMT
If that's the case, we will go bust, and have no club, and it will be the fans fault. Why should it be the fans fault for not attending mid week matches ,those of us who live at distance have no option after doing a days work
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Post by Matt on Apr 14, 2018 9:11:41 GMT
He’s got kids and stuff, has his reasons for not attending matches Matt. Just shouldn’t lecture others. Yeah, I'm in that situation to. Funny how it's alright for him to lecture me for the same reasons.
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Post by Matt on Apr 14, 2018 9:12:19 GMT
He’s got kids and stuff, has his reasons for not attending matches Matt. Just shouldn’t lecture others. You're so full of shit Holliday. I go to as many games as I can, and you know full well why I couldn't get to many earlier in the season. So yeah Holliday, keep it coming. No need for personal insults.
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Post by Al on Apr 14, 2018 9:14:40 GMT
He’s got kids and stuff, has his reasons for not attending matches Matt. Just shouldn’t lecture others. Yeah, I'm in that situation to. Funny how it's alright for him to lecture me for the same reasons. Andy fully knows what our situation was. My Mrs was diagnosed with Breast Cancer last year, she went through months of Chemotherapy and finally radiotherapy and finished just before Christmas. Andy knows all this, but finds it clever to say I don't attend games, he also finds it clever to bitch on a WhatsApp group with the rest of his mates despite me going to as many as I possibly can.
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Post by Si on Apr 14, 2018 9:15:37 GMT
Pack it in lads, this isn’t the place for a personal back and forth.
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Post by andy091079 on Apr 14, 2018 9:19:38 GMT
I cannot believe next season we are budgeting for 1700 crowds, have we not learned anything from this season ! We should be budgeting for about 1300 max as this is realism at the moment , also it is ridiculous to stay full time with a tiny budget. What sort of players are going to play full time for a few hundred a week, either you get kids or total shite ! Going with proper part time players is a must or we will be relegated again, whilst our youth lads are very promising only Jones and Crawford are ready physically. People keep saying there will be better away support but I can't see it most clubs are poorly supported barring a couple . I totally agree. Full time players + low budget = lower quality players Part time Players + low budget = slightly better quality players Yes there will be exceptions, but that's only if you have luck and a very enterprising manager and we have neither. The priority should be to get the best quality football player In with the budget available.
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Post by marner93 on Apr 14, 2018 9:33:35 GMT
Pack it in lads, this isn’t the place for a personal back and forth. Shame, it was getting good, I was waiting for one of them too call the other a Michael Hunt
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Post by Matt on Apr 14, 2018 9:39:47 GMT
Pack it in lads, this isn’t the place for a personal back and forth. Shame, it was getting good, I was waiting for one of them too call the other a Michael Hunt Had to change sorry, someone will complain!
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 14, 2018 9:59:02 GMT
I cannot believe next season we are budgeting for 1700 crowds, have we not learned anything from this season ! We should be budgeting for about 1300 max as this is realism at the moment , also it is ridiculous to stay full time with a tiny budget. What sort of players are going to play full time for a few hundred a week, either you get kids or total shite ! Going with proper part time players is a must or we will be relegated again, whilst our youth lads are very promising only Jones and Crawford are ready physically. People keep saying there will be better away support but I can't see it most clubs are poorly supported barring a couple . There are a couple of serious flaws in budgeting for lower attendances. Firstly most of the clubs expenditure are fixed costs with no room for manoeuvre. Secondly gate receipts are our largest form of income.
So if apparently budgeting for 1700 will provide a playing budget of 250k then budgeting for less will provide a disproportionately smaller playing budget.
For example working on £8 per person after VAT, 1500= 21x8x200=33,600, 1300=21x8x400=67,200, 1000=21x8x700=117,600. Most of those figures will have to come off the playing budget to give a balanced budget.
Budgeting for failure will give failure. There are no easy answers to this problem. One possible solution is for fans to contribute 33,600 to squad builder so that any crowd figures over 1500 will be a bonus. Season tickets sales are key as well, as the more that are sold reduces the risk in any budget.
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Post by paulie on Apr 14, 2018 10:02:46 GMT
I cannot believe next season we are budgeting for 1700 crowds, have we not learned anything from this season ! We should be budgeting for about 1300 max as this is realism at the moment , also it is ridiculous to stay full time with a tiny budget. What sort of players are going to play full time for a few hundred a week, either you get kids or total shite ! Going with proper part time players is a must or we will be relegated again, whilst our youth lads are very promising only Jones and Crawford are ready physically. People keep saying there will be better away support but I can't see it most clubs are poorly supported barring a couple . There are a couple of serious flaws in budgeting for lower attendances. Firstly most of the clubs expenditure are fixed costs with no room for manoeuvre. Secondly gate receipts are our largest form of income.
So if apparently budgeting for 1700 will provide a playing budget of 250k then budgeting for less will provide a disproportionately smaller playing budget.
For example working on £8 per person after VAT, 1500= 21x8x200=33,600, 1300=21x8x400=67,200, 1000=21x8x700=117,600. Most of those figures will have to come off the playing budget to give a balanced budget.
Budgeting for failure will give failure. There are no easy answers to this problem. One possible solution is for fans to contribute 33,600 to squad builder so that any crowd figures over 1500 will be a bonus. Season tickets sales are key as well, as the more that are sold reduces the risk in any budget.
I'm neither a mathematician or an accountant, but what happens if we budget for 1700 and then only average 1500 for the season. A lot of people are expecting another season of misery.
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