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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 4, 2020 10:46:52 GMT
In fairness isn’t that the account that seems to get most things right? Jonno was loving winding up the Alty fans when that account mentioned the JJ move. No. The one that appears to get most right is called 'Non League Guy'. This tittle tattle one said Bern & Jonno were off this time last year as well. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by Anders on Aug 4, 2020 10:49:30 GMT
No. The one that appears to get most right is called 'Non League Guy'. This tittle tattle one said Bern & Jonno were off this time last year as well. Thanks for the clarification. Has also got some stuff correct as well to be fair, but most of the time it was generally out in the open anyway.
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Post by trublu on Aug 4, 2020 11:35:26 GMT
I think he's talking about Burton and Stopforth, not the (hopefully bollocks) Twitter rumour that Bern and Johnno are on their way. My question was in reference to ‘two of their most trusted men gone”, so yes, it was Burton and Stopforth. Both were out of contract, so were they offered a new contract of any description, or were they not? Ultimately, whose decision? We can’t forget the uncertainty about income for the coming season. Stopforth has had significant injuries both of the past 2 years that have effected his day job also, if Chester are coming to him with a reduced offer, maybe he has to weigh that against his ability to get up and down a ladder also. It’s a shame to see these 2 go, they are decent for the level we are at, but I’d rather see a team of kids than worry that the managers are spending money the club hasn’t got. Plenty of clubs will go to the wall this season, we need to navigate through, so what we can on the pitch, and hope for better in the future.
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Post by rcb on Aug 4, 2020 12:35:04 GMT
My question was in reference to ‘two of their most trusted men gone”, so yes, it was Burton and Stopforth. Both were out of contract, so were they offered a new contract of any description, or were they not? Ultimately, whose decision? We can’t forget the uncertainty about income for the coming season. Stopforth has had significant injuries both of the past 2 years that have effected his day job also, if Chester are coming to him with a reduced offer, maybe he has to weigh that against his ability to get up and down a ladder also. It’s a shame to see these 2 go, they are decent for the level we are at, but I’d rather see a team of kids than worry that the managers are spending money the club hasn’t got. Plenty of clubs will go to the wall this season, we need to navigate through, so what we can on the pitch, and hope for better in the future. Totally agree, but I would still like to know the answer to my question.
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Post by Al on Aug 4, 2020 20:33:17 GMT
We can’t forget the uncertainty about income for the coming season. Stopforth has had significant injuries both of the past 2 years that have effected his day job also, if Chester are coming to him with a reduced offer, maybe he has to weigh that against his ability to get up and down a ladder also. It’s a shame to see these 2 go, they are decent for the level we are at, but I’d rather see a team of kids than worry that the managers are spending money the club hasn’t got. Plenty of clubs will go to the wall this season, we need to navigate through, so what we can on the pitch, and hope for better in the future. Totally agree, but I would still like to know the answer to my question. Tough shit you're not getting an answer. Both players gone, leave it at that. You have no divine right to know the ins and outs of contract offers.
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Post by rcb on Aug 4, 2020 21:00:43 GMT
Totally agree, but I would still like to know the answer to my question. Tough shit you're not getting an answer. Both players gone, leave it at that. You have no divine right to know the ins and outs of contract offers. What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves.
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Post by weareblues on Aug 4, 2020 21:09:44 GMT
Tough shit you're not getting an answer. Both players gone, leave it at that. You have no divine right to know the ins and outs of contract offers. What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves. Ask the managers on twitter yourself if you're that arsed you won't though.
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Post by rcb on Aug 4, 2020 21:16:56 GMT
What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves. Ask the managers on twitter yourself if you're that arsed you won't though. Not everyone does Twitter.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 4, 2020 21:35:39 GMT
Ask the managers on twitter yourself if you're that arsed you won't though. Not everyone does Twitter. Not sure what you expect them to do for you then. Call at your door with an explanation? If you're that desperate to know, surely you can take 10 minutes to read up on how Twitter works and set up an account?
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Post by whitey on Aug 4, 2020 21:44:11 GMT
Tough shit you're not getting an answer. Both players gone, leave it at that. You have no divine right to know the ins and outs of contract offers. What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves. If I were you I'd respect the employer - employee confidentiality that all businesses are supposed to adhere to! You might be an owner but you don't have the rights to individual contracts or discussions, simple as...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 22:23:09 GMT
Really hate having RCB quoted into these threads as those of us that have blocked him have to witness his continued petulance, but loving this...
"the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves". He's lost the plot and now seems to think we are not a fan owned club. May as well bin my CFU membership then.
I've looked through all the settings and been on the ProBoard pages and can't find out how to completely block people so even quotes don't turn up or if it is even possible. Anybody who's had any luck with that could please enlighten me.
Back on Topic, I think the two leaving is probably be for the best, both decent lads and good players but the Center midfield needs reworking and with Glenno already in place a fresh face might work wonders.
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Post by rcb on Aug 4, 2020 23:39:52 GMT
What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves. If I were you I'd respect the employer - employee confidentiality that all businesses are supposed to adhere to! You might be an owner but you don't have the rights to individual contracts or discussions, simple as... I only have a current membership to CFU, so please don’t refer to me as an owner. I own nothing. As I said earlier, I find it amusing how certain people on here collaborate in order to deflect focus on simple questions, desperate to transform things into a complex issue. I simply asked whether the two players were offered new terms or not. No big issue, no mystery, no intrigue, no conspiracy, no agenda. What goes through the minds of some is staggering. I don’t want to know any details whatsoever in respect of any individual contracts, so no confidentiality issues whatsoever. In your words...simple as!
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Post by rcb on Aug 4, 2020 23:53:39 GMT
Really hate having RCB quoted into these threads as those of us that have blocked him have to witness his continued petulance, but loving this... "the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves". He's lost the plot and now seems to think we are not a fan owned club. May as well bin my CFU membership then. I've looked through all the settings and been on the ProBoard pages and can't find out how to completely block people so even quotes don't turn up or if it is even possible. Anybody who's had any luck with that could please enlighten me. Back on Topic, I think the two leaving is probably be for the best, both decent lads and good players but the Center midfield needs reworking and with Glenno already in place a fresh face might work wonders. You have every right to hate whatever you like. Rest assured, however, I have lost no plot, as I never had a plot to lose. Some of my pet hates include American spelling like Center rather than centre. Suppose you call the game soccer too. Oh, I also don’t like the use of nicknames like Glenno either. I’m sure you don’t give a sh*t about my thoughts, much as I don’t give a sh*t about your thoughts. Back on topic, I have previously stated that the managers are currently in an impossible situation with so many unknowns, so the very best of luck to them. As and when, or perhaps if, football at our level restarts then they need to focus on the central spine of the team.
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Post by classycas on Aug 5, 2020 1:54:38 GMT
What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves. Ask the managers on twitter yourself if you're that arsed you won't though. The 'privileges' of being a CFU member, paying a miserly £1/month, do not extend to you learning anything about the decisions of the team manager(s). It is a bit like owning a single share in a supermarket and demanding part-control of which buy-one-get-one-free offers the UK stores run.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 5, 2020 6:27:55 GMT
Tough shit you're not getting an answer. Both players gone, leave it at that. You have no divine right to know the ins and outs of contract offers. What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves. Quite simply, their contracts expired.
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Post by Si on Aug 5, 2020 7:18:15 GMT
It really doesn't matter one bit does it? This is non league football, their contracts expired and they are leaving and I'm sure we all wish them the best and thank them for their efforts. Nothing to see here!
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Aug 5, 2020 8:14:11 GMT
Ask the managers on twitter yourself if you're that arsed you won't though. The 'privileges' of being a CFU member, paying a miserly £1/month, do not extend to you learning anything about the decisions of the team manager(s). It is a bit like owning a single share in a supermarket and demanding part-control of which buy-one-get-one-free offers the UK stores run. If RCB was to become a board member I am sure he would be privy to contract situations, and could act to amend them as he deems fit. Please do not see this as a "join the board then" post. I wouldn't want that bag of guff on the board at Chester FC if he was the last sentient being on this planet.
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Post by rcb on Aug 5, 2020 8:51:35 GMT
Ask the managers on twitter yourself if you're that arsed you won't though. The 'privileges' of being a CFU member, paying a miserly £1/month, do not extend to you learning anything about the decisions of the team manager(s). It is a bit like owning a single share in a supermarket and demanding part-control of which buy-one-get-one-free offers the UK stores run. No, it isn’t anything like owning a share. You pay for membership, not ownership. If you own a single share you have the right to sell it. Not so with membership, where you own nothing. City Fans United are the supporters group which own Chester Football Club. You cannot buy even a small part of CFU. You can only pay an annual subscription to become a member.
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Post by rcb on Aug 5, 2020 8:55:19 GMT
What a pathetic attitude. We can hear the circumstances of players departures at York, but apparently not at a fan owned club. If anyone has a divine right then it would be the owners, as muppets like you refer to yourselves. Quite simply, their contracts expired. Quite simply, all players contracts expire. Thereafter, some players have the offer of a new contract, and some don’t!
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 5, 2020 9:00:53 GMT
Quite simply, their contracts expired. Quite simply, all players contracts expire. Thereafter, some players have the offer of a new contract, and some don’t! Well we need to refresh the midfield - both are a bit older, one was blighted by injuries, the other had a bad injury and I understand his transport options are limited now following his driving conviction. Would love Tom Crawford back alongside GLENNO but sadly can’t see him dropping a league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 9:08:47 GMT
Only guessing but going by Morley's tweet to them last night they were not offered a new contract
Will miss Stopforth he was a character on and off the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 9:20:02 GMT
Only guessing but going by Morley's tweet to them last night they were not offered a new contract Will miss Stopforth he was a character on and off the pitch From everything I’ve read and heard Burton played a huge part and was big character off the pitch as well. Unfortunately but quite rightly he is judged what happens on the pitch as opposed to off it. I actually was a fan of his, I though when he played he allowed Glendon a more advanced role and put in some really good performances, particularly away at Telford. Will they be replaced or will it just be a case of a trimming the squad exercise?
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Post by rcb on Aug 5, 2020 9:23:14 GMT
Quite simply, all players contracts expire. Thereafter, some players have the offer of a new contract, and some don’t! Well we need to refresh the midfield - both are a bit older, one was blighted by injuries, the other had a bad injury and I understand his transport options are limited now following his driving conviction. Would love Tom Crawford back alongside GLENNO but sadly can’t see him dropping a league. Looks like we’re on the same page - something of a rarity! As I’ve previously said, the spine needs refreshing/strengthening with the addition of a centre back/sweeper (no sweeper-keepers at level 6), two tenacious midfield players to support the likes of Glendon, and two forwards, one being a goalscorer and the other a target man who can hold the ball and feed others (in the mould of Matty McNeil). Five players short of a full set, subject, of course, to successful negotiations with players now out of contract.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 5, 2020 9:24:56 GMT
Well we need to refresh the midfield - both are a bit older, one was blighted by injuries, the other had a bad injury and I understand his transport options are limited now following his driving conviction. Would love Tom Crawford back alongside GLENNO but sadly can’t see him dropping a league. Looks like we’re on the same page - something of a rarity! As I’ve previously said, the spine needs refreshing/strengthening with the addition of a centre back/sweeper (no sweeper-keepers at level 6), two tenacious midfield players to support the likes of Glendon, and two forwards, one being a goalscorer and the other a target man who can hold the ball and feed others (in the mould of Matty McNeil). Five players short of a full set, subject, of course, to successful negotiations with players now out of contract. Would agree with you on all of that except is Waring the target man you refer to? If he isn’t, then we can’t afford to keep him and another.
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Post by rcb on Aug 5, 2020 9:38:47 GMT
Looks like we’re on the same page - something of a rarity! As I’ve previously said, the spine needs refreshing/strengthening with the addition of a centre back/sweeper (no sweeper-keepers at level 6), two tenacious midfield players to support the likes of Glendon, and two forwards, one being a goalscorer and the other a target man who can hold the ball and feed others (in the mould of Matty McNeil). Five players short of a full set, subject, of course, to successful negotiations with players now out of contract. Would agree with you on all of that except is Waring the target man you refer to? If he isn’t, then we can’t afford to keep him and another. I remember David Jenkins from athletics in the 1970’s. In particular, although he held many British records between 200m and 400m, his best event was 300m. Unfortunately, 300m was not an event that featured at world level, so he was a nearly man. I see Waring as our nearly man, so I think he has to go, unless the managers think he can improve his game. He is only 25 after all.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 5, 2020 10:22:18 GMT
I don’t think we can have a player who’s just a target man he has got to get his fair share of goals as well, is Waring capable of scoring 15 goals a season he hasn’t shown it up to now,.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Aug 5, 2020 11:04:48 GMT
Would agree with you on all of that except is Waring the target man you refer to? If he isn’t, then we can’t afford to keep him and another. I remember David Jenkins from athletics in the 1970’s. In particular, although he held many British records between 200m and 400m, his best event was 300m. Unfortunately, 300m was not an event that featured at world level, so he was a nearly man. I see Waring as our nearly man, so I think he has to go, unless the managers think he can improve his game. He is only 25 after all.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Aug 5, 2020 11:09:24 GMT
I remember David Jenkins from athletics in the 1970’s. In particular, although he held many British records between 200m and 400m, his best event was 300m. Unfortunately, 300m was not an event that featured at world level, so he was a nearly man. I see Waring as our nearly man, so I think he has to go, unless the managers think he can improve his game. He is only 25 after all. Find it really bizarre that you compare George Waring with David Jenkins who won UK. European. Commonwealth and Olympic medals as well as several UK record times ? You also fail to mention that after a superb athletics career he got done for drug running and went to prison. So George appears a more friendly option to me !!!!! :-)
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Post by Lobster on Aug 5, 2020 11:15:24 GMT
It really doesn't matter one bit does it? This is non league football, their contracts expired and they are leaving and I'm sure we all wish them the best and thank them for their efforts. Nothing to see here! I sometimes think some of our fans are too used to rolling news on Sky Sports, where when a player leaves or wants out of a club, you find out that his kids don't like the local school, or his wife wants to live nearer the beach, or he's been offered a sponsorship deal by a Madrid-based cosmetics firm or whatever.
These are not celebrities. They're young lads trying to make a bit of money from something they can only do for 15-20 years of their lives, and they have other commitments as well. They don't need us poking around in the particulars of their contracts.
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Post by rcb on Aug 5, 2020 11:41:14 GMT
Find it really bizarre that you compare George Waring with David Jenkins who won UK. European. Commonwealth and Olympic medals as well as several UK record times ? You also fail to mention that after a superb athletics career he got done for drug running and went to prison. So George appears a more friendly option to me !!!!! :-)
The analogy was that he was world class at 300m, and not quite there at distances covered at world and Olympic level, unfortunately for him. I failed to mention what he did after athletics because it had no relevance. Similarly, I wouldn’t rate Diego Maradona’s football ability on what he got up to after he retired. I also didn’t mention Jenkins’ younger brother Roger, also a very good athlete, and an expert International financier, worth in excess of £100 million, or the scrapes he got into after athletics. Why - not relevant. I really hope that George Waring can bridge the gap and add that little bit extra that his game needs. Currently nearly there😀
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