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Post by alancfc on Mar 11, 2020 14:05:21 GMT
They don’t do this with the flu every winter. Massive overreaction. Embarrassing. Just to provide actual facts, as your clearly a Village Idiot. No country currently has a vaccine to prevent or cure this virus. The 'overreaction' from all parties is to contain as many cases of the virus, to reduce the potential for it to spread to vulnerable people. The worst case scenario should this containment fail, would be a considerably higher number of deaths in at risk individuals and at the same time a reduced NHS workforce, which would cause chaos. Measures such as closing public gatherings is strategically important to preventing the spread; whats more important, a couple of games of football, or potentially '000's of lives? Yours Sincerely, An Actual Medic |
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Post by bing on Mar 11, 2020 14:22:58 GMT
They don’t do this with the flu every winter. Massive overreaction. Embarrassing. Just to provide actual facts, as your clearly a Village Idiot. No country currently has a vaccine to prevent or cure this virus. The 'overreaction' from all parties is to contain as many cases of the virus, to reduce the potential for it to spread to vulnerable people. The worst case scenario should this containment fail, would be a considerably higher number of deaths in at risk individuals and at the same time a reduced NHS workforce, which would cause chaos. Measures such as closing public gatherings is strategically important to preventing the spread; whats more important, a couple of games of football, or potentially '000's of lives? Yours Sincerely, An Actual Medic Your last line is overly simplistic and only an actual idiot would answer the former as opposed to the latter. I agree it needs to be strategic - but again I go back to my point - take people out of stadiums and they'll be somewhere else, guaranteed. |
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Post by histsci on Mar 11, 2020 14:32:24 GMT
Just to provide actual facts, as your clearly a Village Idiot. No country currently has a vaccine to prevent or cure this virus. The 'overreaction' from all parties is to contain as many cases of the virus, to reduce the potential for it to spread to vulnerable people. The worst case scenario should this containment fail, would be a considerably higher number of deaths in at risk individuals and at the same time a reduced NHS workforce, which would cause chaos. Measures such as closing public gatherings is strategically important to preventing the spread; whats more important, a couple of games of football, or potentially '000's of lives? Yours Sincerely, An Actual Medic Your last line is overly simplistic and only an actual idiot would answer the former as opposed to the latter. I agree it needs to be strategic - but again I go back to my point - take people out of stadiums and they'll be somewhere else, guaranteed. Yes people will be somewhere else, but they won't be in a group of thousands. |
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Post by bing on Mar 11, 2020 14:39:02 GMT
Your last line is overly simplistic and only an actual idiot would answer the former as opposed to the latter. I agree it needs to be strategic - but again I go back to my point - take people out of stadiums and they'll be somewhere else, guaranteed. Yes people will be somewhere else, but they won't be in a group of thousands. But if they are in a crowded bar, with more surfaces / glasses / door handles etc to touch - that might be worse. At least at football you could minimise the risk by closing the bars / putting sanitiser at the turnstiles etc. I'm no expert, but playing games behind closed doors will just shift the problem elsewhere. |
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Post by newblue on Mar 11, 2020 14:47:38 GMT
They don’t do this with the flu every winter. Massive overreaction. Embarrassing.
Firstly this isn't the flu, nobody has any immunity as it is a completely new strain. It is a
particularly nasty one that attaches itself to the lining of the lungs, with an overall mortality rate in the region of 3%, heavily biased to the older generations. Italy is really struggling with their response and they have an excellent health care system, including 12.5 intensive care beds per 100,000 people (we have nearer 7). So, the more we can slow this down, the better.
I don't think that the Conference North needs to be playing behind closed doors though.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 11, 2020 14:47:51 GMT
I’d be surprised if non-league football is forced to play behind closed doors. Most teams even at the level above have fewer than about 2000 in on match days right? Hardly a large gathering. 2000 people, not including players, officials, safety officers etc, all in one place for two hours, is actually quite a large gathering. Plus people tend to bunch up close together. It's easy to mock ourselves, but where else in Chester do four-figure sums of people gather to watch an event 20-25 times a year? |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 11, 2020 14:49:09 GMT
Indeed to prove Bing’s point, the Champions League game between Valencia and Atalanta last night was played behind closed doors but it didn’t stop thousands upon thousands lining the streets around the stadium during the game, with flares etc.
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Post by rcb on Mar 11, 2020 15:01:01 GMT
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Post by histsci on Mar 11, 2020 15:02:22 GMT
Yes people will be somewhere else, but they won't be in a group of thousands. But if they are in a crowded bar, with more surfaces / glasses / door handles etc to touch - that might be worse. At least at football you could minimise the risk by closing the bars / putting sanitiser at the turnstiles etc. I'm no expert, but playing games behind closed doors will just shift the problem elsewhere. You're assuming that no other measures would be in place though. If all the authorities did was to cancel football matches, that would be ineffective, I agree. I think it's much more likely that a range of measures will come through all at once. From what I've been reading this will get worse before it gets better, so I think it is sensible to start thinking about how to minimise the effect to the football club. Perhaps online fundraising for bills etc.? |
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Post by bing on Mar 11, 2020 15:14:54 GMT
But if they are in a crowded bar, with more surfaces / glasses / door handles etc to touch - that might be worse. At least at football you could minimise the risk by closing the bars / putting sanitiser at the turnstiles etc. I'm no expert, but playing games behind closed doors will just shift the problem elsewhere. You're assuming that no other measures would be in place though. If all the authorities did was to cancel football matches, that would be ineffective, I agree. I think it's much more likely that a range of measures will come through all at once. From what I've been reading this will get worse before it gets better, so I think it is sensible to start thinking about how to minimise the effect to the football club. Perhaps online fundraising for bills etc.? Good point. I suppose what I'm clumsily saying is that it would be easier to moderate people's behaviour if they were sat / stood still for two hours rather than in a pub. |
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Post by alancfc on Mar 11, 2020 15:21:51 GMT
Just to provide actual facts, as your clearly a Village Idiot. No country currently has a vaccine to prevent or cure this virus. The 'overreaction' from all parties is to contain as many cases of the virus, to reduce the potential for it to spread to vulnerable people. The worst case scenario should this containment fail, would be a considerably higher number of deaths in at risk individuals and at the same time a reduced NHS workforce, which would cause chaos. Measures such as closing public gatherings is strategically important to preventing the spread; whats more important, a couple of games of football, or potentially '000's of lives? Yours Sincerely, An Actual Medic Your last line is overly simplistic and only an actual idiot would answer the former as opposed to the latter. I agree it needs to be strategic - but again I go back to my point - take people out of stadiums and they'll be somewhere else, guaranteed. I just do it to annoy the OP, clearly a grade A Tit. As per Italian measures, all coffee shops, bars etc would be restricted to an extent, in the event of a pandemic event Etc Etc. |
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Post by chislenko2 on Mar 11, 2020 15:26:56 GMT
Wonder where those businesses on the Welsh side of the dotted line pay their business rates, bet Chester council still collect them. |
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Post by weareblues on Mar 11, 2020 16:04:51 GMT
They don’t do this with the flu every winter. Massive overreaction. Embarrassing. We have a vaccine for flu for those at risk. We don't for this virus. I wonder if you would be so dismissive if you were in that demographic? I suspect many of our fans are. How many can we afford to put at risk or is that just a price worth paying so that football can continue un-interrupted? Corona virus survival rate is 98% Over 60k people died of general flu last year yet no outrage at all Stop believing the presses bullshit tryna scare people |
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Post by Matt on Mar 11, 2020 16:26:13 GMT
I can't see anything above that replies to this, what does this have to do with it? |
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Post by durdy on Mar 11, 2020 16:27:54 GMT
Madrid is on lock down with no la Liga games for the next few weeks yet 3,000 Athletico fans are travelling to Anfield tonight 🤔
Make sense out of that one
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Mar 11, 2020 18:11:03 GMT
NEWFA cancelled all non-competitive games. This includes all friendlies, and all games u11 and below.
AlanCFC is maybe right, the end could be nigh. A stopped watch is right twice a day.
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Post by highpeakblue on Mar 11, 2020 18:40:32 GMT
We have a vaccine for flu for those at risk. We don't for this virus. I wonder if you would be so dismissive if you were in that demographic? I suspect many of our fans are. How many can we afford to put at risk or is that just a price worth paying so that football can continue un-interrupted? Corona virus survival rate is 98% Over 60k people died of general flu last year yet no outrage at all Stop believing the presses bullshit tryna scare people I don't believe the bullshit, but you miss the point. For the at risk groups, it is a far higher risk and there is no way of protecting themselves. I'm guessing you are not in one of those groups. I'm not either, but see the reasoning. |
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Post by bluejay on Mar 11, 2020 19:01:12 GMT
I don't believe the bullshit, but you miss the point. For the at risk groups, it is a far higher risk and there is no way of protecting themselves. I'm guessing you are not in one of those groups. I'm not either, but see the reasoning. It's not higher risk than the flu and contrary to comments I've read above we don't have a particularly effective vaccination for the flu. Every year a new strain of the flu starts it's journey from the far East. Pharmaceutical companies try to anticipate the strain (often a coronavirus) and produce a vaccine -this takes several months and often contains a mixture of antibodies to cover a few bases. Most years it has a small to minimal effect but it's so hard to clinically prove the effect of something so transient that we rely on studies showing a small effect paid for by the companies themselves. In the meantime we do very little else to stop the spread of the virus (hand washing, self-isolation, etc...) and it kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. Late last year the arse fell out of the credit market as a direct result of government and bank policy since 2008 and a lot of western economies are f***ed (google repo market and ny fed). Best guess is the over-reaction to the coronavirus is a great cover for a market "correction" - call it a "corona crash" and everyone will think there was nothing we could have done. |
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Post by rcb on Mar 11, 2020 22:37:33 GMT
I can't see anything above that replies to this, what does this have to do with it? Try again Matt. Not long after midday a post from chislenko2 referring to Wales,followed by moltisonti referring to half a pitch. |
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Post by avfo on Mar 11, 2020 23:34:42 GMT
Corona virus survival rate is 98% Over 60k people died of general flu last year yet no outrage at all Stop believing the presses bullshit tryna scare people I don't believe the bullshit, but you miss the point. For the at risk groups, it is a far higher risk and there is no way of protecting themselves. I'm guessing you are not in one of those groups. I'm not either, but see the reasoning. If the Chinese authorities are to be believed, then their death rate % from the virus is currently, age 10-39 - 0.2%, 40-49 - 0.4%, 50-59 - 1.3 %, 60-69 -3.6%, 70-79 - 8% and 80+ - 15%. (Over 10% of the UK's population falls into the 70+ age range) In Italy, the overall death rate from the virus is currently a worrying 6.6% of all reported cases. In the U.S, over 60% of the thirty plus deaths so far attributed to the virus have occurred in just one location - a nursing home for the elderly. A large number of staff at that facility are now in self isolation, in addition to those the who have tested positive. This in turn has now led to a shortage of staff, with what agency staff they have managed to recruit having to work 15-16 hour shifts. I think the worry authorities have is that, just like with that facility in the U.S, if you are in close contact with a carrier of the virus you will in all probability contract it. For the vast majority of the population it won't pose any major health problems, but would automatically lead to self isolation for at least 14 days, and it's that prospect and the potential chaos that may occur if a significant number of the nations workforce were to be affected in a relatively short space of time that is their major fear. My guess is that after we move into the delay phase (probably in the next 10-14 days), most sporting (together with other public events) will be postponed for at least a month from that time. The exception may well be televised Premier League fixtures (for obvious ££££££ reasons)- played behind closed doors, possibly together with pressure (in the public interest) put on pubs etc not to screen live events, in addition to other social distancing measures. |
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 12, 2020 0:15:43 GMT
Breaking from The Times Sport...
“EXCLUSIVE: All football matches in England will be played behind closed doors under government plans to combat #coronavirus that could be triggered as early as today.
• The season will not be postponed and instead matches in the Premier League and lower divisions will be moved behind closed doors
• Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders will be able to stream coverage of matches
• No games will be shown in pubs so as to avoid congregation of people
• Premier League games will not be shown live in the 3pm slot on Saturday afternoons”
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 12, 2020 7:28:56 GMT
It's not higher risk than the flu and contrary to comments I've read above we don't have a particularly effective vaccination for the flu. Every year a new strain of the flu starts it's journey from the far East. Pharmaceutical companies try to anticipate the strain (often a coronavirus) and produce a vaccine -this takes several months and often contains a mixture of antibodies to cover a few bases. Most years it has a small to minimal effect but it's so hard to clinically prove the effect of something so transient that we rely on studies showing a small effect paid for by the companies themselves. In the meantime we do very little else to stop the spread of the virus (hand washing, self-isolation, etc...) and it kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. Late last year the arse fell out of the credit market as a direct result of government and bank policy since 2008 and a lot of western economies are f***ed (google repo market and ny fed). Best guess is the over-reaction to the coronavirus is a great cover for a market "correction" - call it a "corona crash" and everyone will think there was nothing we could have done. Definitely on the right path with that estimation Bluejay. Also the government are pro-eugenics and the PM has gone on national television to essentially say let the virus move through the population and pick off the weak and needy (something they’ve already tried their damned hardest to do themselves through policies), which makes sense considering their pro-eugenics stance. It kills people faster than austerity ever could and the government can avoid paying pensions. It’ll explain why organisations like the FA are taking the lead on how they manage this in their own domain, as the government don’t appear to be too bothered. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2020 7:48:33 GMT
It's a weird experience going round the shops at the moment. The shelves do seem depleted, and not just for sanitary products. It reminds me of what Ireland was like when I visited shortly after the recession, and what I fear this country could be like once Brexit really takes hold. A man in front of me was buying four family sizes blocks of cheese yesterday, among other things. Is that really necessary?
At the end of the day, if people insist on buying up all the soap, toilet roll and other commodities, other people are going to have to do without them. Their hygiene and health will suffer, which is how the virus thrives and spreads. If you don't want to get it, you need other people to be clean and healthy as well.
And the cheek of Trump closing America's borders to European visitors. This is a country that is not able to even test everyone for the coronavirus. If they had half the health system in place that most of Europe does, they'd make things a lot easier for themselves, but they'd rather just keep telling themselves and everyone else that they're the best country in the world and refuse to learn from others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 8:11:55 GMT
Me thinks your soft in the head
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Post by chesterken on Mar 12, 2020 8:34:43 GMT
Me thinks your soft in the head Some very bizarre posts on here lately can the virus attack people’s brains might explain what’s happening |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 9:13:00 GMT
We shop locally on a Wednesday. Didn't notice any shortages of any of the above. We also shop once a month at Costco and normally buy 4 blocks of cheese 4 kilo pack of bacon similar ham or cooked meat. Other than that I think most people could survive a few weeks out of their freezers. But as you say only people with money can stockpile and it is very selfish.
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Post by banksy on Mar 12, 2020 9:18:51 GMT
Morning all...
Keeping this on topic (and I'm sure this thread will be quickly tidied up by the mods!), I just wanted to keep everyone in the loop in terms of next steps for our club.
We are waiting for further guidance from the National League / FA at present, and of course this afternoon's Cobra meeting and subsequent announcements will give us more of a direction that we have to follow of course, but up to now we have only received the basic info that pretty much every business has received relating to doing everything we can to prevent the virus spreading further.
It's certainly an uneasy time to be a lower league football fan, but all we can do is the follow the advice given up to now and see what comes next.
Whatever the case, fans will of course be updated via the usual channels.
Jeff
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2020 9:24:11 GMT
Definitely on the right path with that estimation Bluejay. Also the government are pro-eugenics and the PM has gone on national television to essentially say let the virus move through the population and pick off the weak and needy (something they’ve already tried their damned hardest to do themselves through policies), which makes sense considering their pro-eugenics stance. It kills people faster than austerity ever could and the government can avoid paying pensions. It’ll explain why organisations like the FA are taking the lead on how they manage this in their own domain, as the government don’t appear to be too bothered. At the moment though, this is very music an upper class virus. A lot of the wealthy and well-travelled are getting it, such as Nadine Dorries, the Olympiakos/Nottingham Forest owner and now, reportedly, Tom Hanks.
Africa, contrary to the pattern of most recent epidemics, has been relatively untouched so far. You do worry about what the consequences could be if and when it starts spreading in the underdeveloped world.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Mar 12, 2020 9:43:53 GMT
This thread could be ending up on the main forum soon... countries across Europe are beginning to ban events with crowds over 1,000... fortunately for most in this league that isn't a problem!  That sounds very difficult to enforce. For example, if you stopped Liverpool's games, you can bet their fans would start turning up at the likes of Marine and AFC Liverpool, consequentially pushing their gates above 5,000. Unless everywhere imposes a maximum admission of 1,000, which I suppose means Premier League games could go ahead in theory, with a small, lucky few in attendance. more likely the city centre pubs... |
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Post by gezzer on Mar 12, 2020 10:00:45 GMT
Definitely on the right path with that estimation Bluejay. Also the government are pro-eugenics and the PM has gone on national television to essentially say let the virus move through the population and pick off the weak and needy (something they’ve already tried their damned hardest to do themselves through policies), which makes sense considering their pro-eugenics stance. It kills people faster than austerity ever could and the government can avoid paying pensions. It’ll explain why organisations like the FA are taking the lead on how they manage this in their own domain, as the government don’t appear to be too bothered. At the moment though, this is very music an upper class virus. A lot of the wealthy and well-travelled are getting it, such as Nadine Dorries, the Olympiakos/Nottingham Forest owner and now, reportedly, Tom Hanks.
Africa, contrary to the pattern of most recent epidemics, has been relatively untouched so far. You do worry about what the consequences could be if and when it starts spreading in the underdeveloped world.
Can't make this up. 3 people out of 127000 cases and of course the 80000 in China are the elite with houses in Mayfair and Beverly Hills. |
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