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Post by Al on Mar 9, 2020 18:27:59 GMT
Seems the world is going mad again, no not brexit but this time the 'repackaged flu'.
Shelves cleared of toilet roll, hand sanitizer, Tesco announcing they are going to ration certain goods on sale as well..
What's your take on it all?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 9, 2020 21:52:54 GMT
The entire situation only tells me one thing.
Capitalism as a system has failed.
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Post by Al on Mar 9, 2020 22:22:20 GMT
The entire situation only tells me one thing. Capitalism as a system has failed. LOL I'm probably going to regret asking this but how have you jumped to that conclusion based on the spread of this virus?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 22:32:37 GMT
I don't know a lot about it. But I have just read a book by Dean Koontz published 40 years ago on which he predicts a disease in 2020 called wuhan 400.it affects the lungs and no known cure. But vanishes just as quickly as it came. So wierd
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Post by Lobster on Mar 9, 2020 23:34:52 GMT
I don't know about capitalism, but I do feel we are seeing clear signs in early 2020 that humans as a species need to change, and consume less. A national fire in Australia, some of the worst storms and floods I've ever seen in this country, and now a global virus outbreak - our response to which is to buy more stuff rather than take basic precautions. It almost feels like nature fighting back.
The virus started in a huge Chinese market where animals are skinned and often eaten alive. I'm no animal rights activist but if you were a species from another planet watching that, you would think coronavirus is the least the humans deserve.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 10, 2020 8:52:13 GMT
I don't know about capitalism, but I do feel we are seeing clear signs in early 2020 that humans as a species need to change, and consume less. A national fire in Australia, some of the worst storms and floods I've ever seen in this country, and now a global virus outbreak - our response to which is to buy more stuff rather than take basic precautions. It almost feels like nature fighting back. The virus started in a huge Chinese market where animals are skinned and often eaten alive. I'm no animal rights activist but if you were a species from another planet watching that, you would think coronavirus is the least the humans deserve. … and now we've got a barmpot Saudi prince who allegedly ordered the murder of that Khashoggi guy has now caused a world-wide crash in the financial markets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:21:26 GMT
We don't seem to be any closer to a cure despite top scientists the world over trying to find one. Anti biotic are so over used that they become useless. I was at hospital yesterday for a regular check re prostate cancer. I get regular infections that are normally treated with anti biotic. However this time I was told regular antibiotics no longer work. Yhey have another one. but only one that will treat symptoms. As this is a mild infection they want to keep this in reserve in case of severe infection.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:31:46 GMT
Coronavirus is a virus, antibiotics do not work of viruses. They never have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:36:37 GMT
I did not know that.
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Post by jb on Mar 10, 2020 11:20:47 GMT
I don't know about capitalism, but I do feel we are seeing clear signs in early 2020 that humans as a species need to change, and consume less. A national fire in Australia, some of the worst storms and floods I've ever seen in this country, and now a global virus outbreak - our response to which is to buy more stuff rather than take basic precautions. It almost feels like nature fighting back. The virus started in a huge Chinese market where animals are skinned and often eaten alive. I'm no animal rights activist but if you were a species from another planet watching that, you would think coronavirus is the least the humans deserve. Wasn't it the case that the SARS and Ebola virus' became an epidemic because of human's eating bats and snakes and the like? You'd have thought that would have been enough of a warning from history.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2020 11:46:49 GMT
I don't know about capitalism, but I do feel we are seeing clear signs in early 2020 that humans as a species need to change, and consume less. A national fire in Australia, some of the worst storms and floods I've ever seen in this country, and now a global virus outbreak - our response to which is to buy more stuff rather than take basic precautions. It almost feels like nature fighting back. The virus started in a huge Chinese market where animals are skinned and often eaten alive. I'm no animal rights activist but if you were a species from another planet watching that, you would think coronavirus is the least the humans deserve. Wasn't it the case that the SARS and Ebola virus' became an epidemic because of human's eating bats and snakes and the like? You'd have thought that would have been enough of a warning from history. Still reports of live reptiles, hedgehogs and the like being sold and eaten, along with very poor sanitary conditions. www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/china-coronavirus.htmlMind you, you don't have to go back too far to see a livestock crisis of our own. The agricultural practices and government cover-up around mad cow disease could have been far bigger than any of this. It's sheer luck that it wasn't.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 10, 2020 16:50:55 GMT
This outbreak is genuinely alarming and it looks like we are just at the beginning of it here in Europe. The combination of infectiousness and mortality is particularly scary. It seems the UK is pretty much in the position that Italy was in 2 weeks ago. We really ought to be looking at copying the responses made by the Chinese and South Korean governments - although it's early days, they have both successfully managed to consistently reduce the number of new cases over the last few weeks.
But it requires huge investment not just into healthcare but also into mitigating the economic impact that preventative measures such as quarantining and closing public transport/schools etc will have on the economy and businesses. Both China and South Korea quickly ramped up their testing capacity, educated the public about self-isolation, shut down large gatherings, restricted travel and increased hospital capacity. The South Koreans have set aside £19 billion to deal with the outbreak and from more than 6,000 cases, they've only reported around 40 deaths so far - the lowest mortality rate yet. Their investment and preparedness has allowed them to identify those who test positive very quickly, isolate mild cases and those at low risk, whilst rapidly caring for those who are at high risk.
Unfortunately it seems our government just isn't willing to make this sort of commitment. Instead they are appear to be favouring an unused tactic of allowing the virus to spread in a vaguely semi-controlled fashion. That estimates that 40-80% of the population will contract the virus. With a mortality rate of 1-2% that could mean up to 4 million deaths in the UK alone. When you take into account that hospital beds are currently running at 94% capacity before an outbreak, this seems like a really odd path to take. It really is the "take it on the chin" tactic that Boris Johnson spoke about. It isn't really "taking it on the chin" if you are one of the people who is going to die from it. I find it absolutely astonishing that at this stage the public advice still doesn't go as far as saying that if you have 'mild respiratory symptoms' you should stay off work and avoid contact with others. The suggestion is that such advice is 7-10 days away! I'm personally not overly worried about contracting it myself, it's unlikely to kill me as I'm young and don't have any underlying health conditions. But we all have a responsibility to ensure that we don't spread the virus to those who are most vulnerable and who could die from it.
Lobster makes a really good point about where these viruses come from and whilst many in the West have used this as an opportunity to arrogantly attack the Chinese for their eating habits, it should be leading all of us to ask some serious questions about our eating habits and animal agriculture in general.
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 10, 2020 19:19:41 GMT
This thread could be ending up on the main forum soon... countries across Europe are beginning to ban events with crowds over 1,000... fortunately for most in this league that isn't a problem!
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Post by MPW on Mar 11, 2020 7:09:52 GMT
I’d be interested to hear what the league and clubs plans are if the government were to put in bans on public gatherings to reduce the spread of the virus.
If the club had to play matches behind closed doors or postpone matches, which could well be a reality in the coming weeks, then I fear that this would have a serious impact on our clubs finances.
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Post by chislenko2 on Mar 11, 2020 7:47:03 GMT
On many clubs finances.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 11, 2020 9:24:46 GMT
If that becomes a reality then leagues should be suspended until any ban is lifted so clubs can recoup some revenue and clubs given financial assistance from the FA/EFL to help them survive
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Post by Forever Blue on Mar 11, 2020 9:56:42 GMT
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Post by superman on Mar 11, 2020 10:04:36 GMT
If matches do become subject to lengthy suspension, then at the non league level where players contracts are not generally of 52 weeks, then all sorts of logistical and unplanned financial issues may arise. No easy answer but health issues must take priority.
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Post by weareblues on Mar 11, 2020 10:50:58 GMT
Hopefully people stop overreacting about this corona virus and carry on
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 11, 2020 11:18:21 GMT
Complacency and incompetence of our government is staggering. Fights to and from Italy by BA and Easyjet only stopping today for instance. Ryanair are still flying !
Had to go to Manchester airport yesterday to pick up my sister. No hand sanitiser anywhere to be seen. However my dentists in Chester had one in the way in and one in the waiting room.
Flight due in from Bergamo half an hour after my sisters. Apparently it is the worst hit place in Italy !!
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Post by chislenko2 on Mar 11, 2020 12:14:43 GMT
Don't wish to nit-pick but if the ground is in Wales why should the take advice from Health England?
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Post by Moltisanti on Mar 11, 2020 12:33:05 GMT
Don't wish to nit-pick but if the ground is in Wales why should the take advice from Health England? We can’t play on half a pitch.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2020 12:43:06 GMT
It’s come at a very convenient time for the disaster capitalists rampant in the Tory party as Brexit talks are being shelved due to the epidemic across the whole of Europe, threatening a “no deal” break from the EU which, of course, is what the ruling party want in order to make a fortune.
Funny that.
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Post by g1 on Mar 11, 2020 12:50:25 GMT
Health of the people comes first I know but a club like chester could fold if games are suspended but hearing the TV you would think the premier league is only important
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2020 12:55:55 GMT
They don’t do this with the flu every winter.
Massive overreaction. Embarrassing.
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Post by highpeakblue on Mar 11, 2020 13:17:36 GMT
They don’t do this with the flu every winter. Massive overreaction. Embarrassing. We have a vaccine for flu for those at risk. We don't for this virus. I wonder if you would be so dismissive if you were in that demographic? I suspect many of our fans are. How many can we afford to put at risk or is that just a price worth paying so that football can continue un-interrupted?
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Post by bing on Mar 11, 2020 13:45:02 GMT
If you start playing games behind closed doors, people won't just stay at home sitting on their hands - they'll be out doing other stuff, probably in an environment more conducive to contracting viruses (in pubs watching televised games perhaps).
Although the virus is clearly a concern, the coverage has been like we're expecting a '28 Days Later' scenario!
If football is allowed to continue uninterrupted, it's likely it will lead to some deaths. However, if it is postponed / played behind closed doors, it will also lead to deaths.
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Post by Imperial on Mar 11, 2020 13:52:57 GMT
I’d be surprised if non-league football is forced to play behind closed doors. Most teams even at the level above have fewer than about 2000 in on match days right? Hardly a large gathering.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 11, 2020 13:57:30 GMT
This thread could be ending up on the main forum soon... countries across Europe are beginning to ban events with crowds over 1,000... fortunately for most in this league that isn't a problem! That sounds very difficult to enforce. For example, if you stopped Liverpool's games, you can bet their fans would start turning up at the likes of Marine and AFC Liverpool, consequentially pushing their gates above 5,000. Unless everywhere imposes a maximum admission of 1,000, which I suppose means Premier League games could go ahead in theory, with a small, lucky few in attendance.
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 11, 2020 14:00:27 GMT
This thread could be ending up on the main forum soon... countries across Europe are beginning to ban events with crowds over 1,000... fortunately for most in this league that isn't a problem! That sounds very difficult to enforce. For example, if you stopped Liverpool's games, you can bet their fans would start turning up at the likes of Marine and AFC Liverpool, consequentially pushing their gates above 5,000. Unless everywhere imposes a maximum admission of 1,000, which I suppose means Premier League games could go ahead in theory, with a small, lucky few in attendance. We have just under 1,000 season ticket holders so technically we could stage our games as season ticket holders only.
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