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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Mar 12, 2020 10:06:22 GMT
I think if it was deemed a top 1% targeted virus then the cure would be a lot quicker in coming forth...
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2020 10:11:37 GMT
At the moment though, this is very music an upper class virus. A lot of the wealthy and well-travelled are getting it, such as Nadine Dorries, the Olympiakos/Nottingham Forest owner and now, reportedly, Tom Hanks.
Africa, contrary to the pattern of most recent epidemics, has been relatively untouched so far. You do worry about what the consequences could be if and when it starts spreading in the underdeveloped world.
Can't make this up. 3 people out of 127000 cases and of course the 80000 in China are the elite with houses in Mayfair and Beverly Hills. Well, China is where it came from, so it stands to reason that all kinds of people are going to be affected there.
Outside of China, it's been spread by travel. Of the other 47,000 (not a huge number of people in the context of the entire world), at least three are pretty rich and famous. Do you think that would be the case if you just took 47,000 people at random? Does suggest some pattern as to how the virus is spreading, as does the fact that it's hitting a lot of high-end tourist destinations like Northern Italy.
Suppose the point I'm making is that if it is some sort of plot to wipe out the weak and vulnerable, it would be a funny way to go about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 10:41:41 GMT
As I see it, the problem is simply that nobody knows for certain as to how this thing will pan out.
So, into this vacuum comes rumour and speculation which morphs into all sorts of conspiracy theories fuelled, yet again, by social media.
I take a rather simplistic view as to what happens next.
Do I listen to the advice of people like the Chief Medical and Scientific Officers or the "experts" on Twitbook?
I know which one I'll take notice of.
Let's see what happens in the next few hours and days.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 12, 2020 10:45:12 GMT
Me thinks your soft in the head Nope, just repeating what our own PM has said that’s all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 10:53:07 GMT
Did he actually say this or did he essentially say this or did you interpret this in your own way to suit your hatred of all things tory.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 12, 2020 11:13:41 GMT
Time to move this over to the Off-Topic Forum
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Post by Si on Mar 12, 2020 11:57:12 GMT
Can it be transmitted by you know, men entering other men, like in that way they do, doesn't seem right to me but they do it, God put man and woman on this earth to further the development of the human race, if it was just men doing men and women doing women the world would come to an end as this is no end product, therefore no continuation of the human race. This worries me greatly, I haven't slept for a week worrying about it, is anybody else worrying what would happen to the world if all relationships became same sex, the world would come to an end and there would be no more football, conference or otherwise. Admins pleeeeeeease hit that button I’ve banned him. No place for homophobia on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 12:16:31 GMT
Apparently both Champions League and Europa have been suspended that's coming from Spanish outlet Marca with an announcement expected shortly
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 12, 2020 12:24:13 GMT
Did he actually say this or did he essentially say this or did you interpret this in your own way to suit your hatred of all things tory. Philip Schofield: Is the delay essentially trying to spread this out so it doesn’t all happen at once and overwhelm the NHS, and that you can actually delay it into perhaps the summer when it’s a little bit quieter and the ordinary flu might have died down a wee bit, is that what you’re doing? Boris Johnson: Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 12, 2020 12:42:32 GMT
Probably best for the FA to just null and void this season.
It’ll prevent the Armageddon of Liverpool winning the league at least.
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Post by avfo on Mar 12, 2020 12:52:27 GMT
Ahead of today's Cobra meeting, Nicola Sturgeon has announced that in Scotland, mass gatherings of 500 people or more will be banned from next Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 12:59:18 GMT
Did he actually say this or did he essentially say this or did you interpret this in your own way to suit your hatred of all things tory. Philip Schofield: Is the delay essentially trying to spread this out so it doesn’t all happen at once and overwhelm the NHS, and that you can actually delay it into perhaps the summer when it’s a little bit quieter and the ordinary flu might have died down a wee bit, is that what you’re doing? Boris Johnson: Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 13:03:32 GMT
Probably best for the FA to just null and void this season. It’ll prevent the Armageddon of Liverpool winning the league at least. Think it will be suspended after one unnamed club players (3) have displayed the symptoms |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 13:13:34 GMT
So where did he say let's pick off the weak and the needy. Quote who you like but stick to facts not what you think he said.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2020 13:56:55 GMT
Ireland taking the lead it seems by closing schools and colleges until March 29.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 14:49:27 GMT
They don’t do this with the flu every winter. Massive overreaction. Embarrassing. That's an embarrassing statement. Very ignorant |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 14:50:31 GMT
Just to provide actual facts, as your clearly a Village Idiot. No country currently has a vaccine to prevent or cure this virus. The 'overreaction' from all parties is to contain as many cases of the virus, to reduce the potential for it to spread to vulnerable people. The worst case scenario should this containment fail, would be a considerably higher number of deaths in at risk individuals and at the same time a reduced NHS workforce, which would cause chaos. Measures such as closing public gatherings is strategically important to preventing the spread; whats more important, a couple of games of football, or potentially '000's of lives? Yours Sincerely, An Actual Medic Your last line is overly simplistic and only an actual idiot would answer the former as opposed to the latter. I agree it needs to be strategic - but again I go back to my point - take people out of stadiums and they'll be somewhere else, guaranteed. You can't be this stupid.. |
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Post by 54321 on Mar 12, 2020 17:12:46 GMT
Well done Si for removing that homophobic persons view from the chat.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2020 17:21:57 GMT
Ireland is shutting down all schools, colleges and public spaces for the next few weeks. Meanwhile, we're saying over-70s shouldn't go on cruises and people who feel a bit poorly should stay at home for seven days.
Surely one or the other of us is getting it drastically wrong?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 12, 2020 22:01:23 GMT
ITALY: lockdown
CHINA: lockdown
DENMARK: lockdown
NORWAY: lockdown
IRELAND: close all schools, cancel mass gatherings
USA: close schools, ban all european flights
BORIS JOHNSON: "Right. Some of you are going to die. NHS are a bit busy, shit happens. OH, and don't forget the happy birthday hand-washing thing. Good luck."
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Post by Forever Blue on Mar 13, 2020 1:30:21 GMT
Don't wish to nit-pick but if the ground is in Wales why should the take advice from Health England? Did you really just ask that ? I guess you did, anyway I think you will find that the welsh assembly will follow the same advice from PHE. If you know any different please let us know and post any links. |
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Post by Forever Blue on Mar 13, 2020 1:41:57 GMT
ITALY: lockdown CHINA: lockdown DENMARK: lockdown NORWAY: lockdown IRELAND: close all schools, cancel mass gatherings USA: close schools, ban all european flights BORIS JOHNSON: "Right. Some of you are going to die. NHS are a bit busy, shit happens. OH, and don't forget the happy birthday hand-washing thing. Good luck." I think the uk have got it right tbh, people complain if they do nothing but will also complain if they over react, as it stands they are going on the scientific evidence they have. anyone got any idea where I can get some bog roll ? it is a virus it will spread how many people does the flu kill every year ? lets go on the evidence and not over react. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 13, 2020 7:04:56 GMT
ITALY: lockdown CHINA: lockdown DENMARK: lockdown NORWAY: lockdown IRELAND: close all schools, cancel mass gatherings USA: close schools, ban all european flights BORIS JOHNSON: "Right. Some of you are going to die. NHS are a bit busy, shit happens. OH, and don't forget the happy birthday hand-washing thing. Good luck." I think the uk have got it right tbh, people complain if they do nothing but will also complain if they over react, as it stands they are going on the scientific evidence they have. anyone got any idea where I can get some bog roll ? it is a virus it will spread how many people does the flu kill every year ? lets go on the evidence and not over react. I've always been on the "let's not panic" side of the fence, but I do wonder how our science can be so different to that of our nearest neighbours Ireland, as well as Denmark, which has a similar climate to us, and to a lesser extent Norway. I don't trust the government, basically. They're shown repeatedly that they don't prioritise public health, and I feel that once again they're putting the economy ahead of people's wellbeing. It's telling that Johnson even said the idea behind banning sporting events is because of the strain on public services (which are underfunded by his government) rather than to, you know, stop people dying. I thought his speech yesterday was a complete shitshow, somehow managing to generate panic-inducing headlines while at the same time treat the subject with flippancy. |
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Post by everhopeful on Mar 13, 2020 7:55:31 GMT
It's a weird experience going round the shops at the moment. The shelves do seem depleted, and not just for sanitary products. It reminds me of what Ireland was like when I visited shortly after the recession, and what I fear this country could be like once Brexit really takes hold. A man in front of me was buying four family sizes blocks of cheese yesterday, among other things. Is that really necessary? At the end of the day, if people insist on buying up all the soap, toilet roll and other commodities, other people are going to have to do without them. Their hygiene and health will suffer, which is how the virus thrives and spreads. If you don't want to get it, you need other people to be clean and healthy as well. And the cheek of Trump closing America's borders to European visitors. This is a country that is not able to even test everyone for the coronavirus. If they had half the health system in place that most of Europe does, they'd make things a lot easier for themselves, but they'd rather just keep telling themselves and everyone else that they're the best country in the world and refuse to learn from others.We have a friend in Oklahoma. There is not one place in the whole state that can test for the virus - and those out of state CHARGE FOR THE PRIVILEGE!! And Johnson wants to sell parts of our NHS to these get rich quick merchants!! |
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Post by RonD on Mar 13, 2020 8:42:39 GMT
The toilets on the Harry Mac aren't the best. Wonder if there will be soap in the dispensers and paper tissues that actually work on Saturday? This goes for the whole ground of course, with hand washing being a major factor.
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 13, 2020 9:03:59 GMT
I think the uk have got it right tbh, people complain if they do nothing but will also complain if they over react, as it stands they are going on the scientific evidence they have. anyone got any idea where I can get some bog roll ? it is a virus it will spread how many people does the flu kill every year ? lets go on the evidence and not over react. I've always been on the "let's not panic" side of the fence, but I do wonder how our science can be so different to that of our nearest neighbours Ireland, as well as Denmark, which has a similar climate to us, and to a lesser extent Norway. I don't trust the government, basically. They're shown repeatedly that they don't prioritise public health, and I feel that once again they're putting the economy ahead of people's wellbeing. It's telling that Johnson even said the idea behind banning sporting events is because of the strain on public services (which are underfunded by his government) rather than to, you know, stop people dying. I thought his speech yesterday was a complete shitshow, somehow managing to generate panic-inducing headlines while at the same time treat the subject with flippancy. It was. I think they have got it all wrong and and the rest of the world is right. He seams content with about 560,000 people dying if you listen to what was said. Just doing the maths talked about by the Medical Officer they appear to want herd immunity which means 85% of the population catching it with a predicted 1% death rate = 560,000. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 13, 2020 9:06:13 GMT
The entire situation only tells me one thing. Capitalism as a system has failed. LOL I'm probably going to regret asking this but how have you jumped to that conclusion based on the spread of this virus? The US and U.K. governments are playing roulette with their people in order to protect the markets as this epidemic could lead to a worse financial crash than the subprime mortgage scandal that caused the 2008 worldwide financial crash. Coronavirus highlights gap between socialist and capitalist responsesJohnson’s “dither and delay” strategy is turning us into a global outlier. |
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 13, 2020 9:06:52 GMT
It sounds like a good way of reduced the burden on health and social care.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 13, 2020 9:12:52 GMT
I've always been on the "let's not panic" side of the fence, but I do wonder how our science can be so different to that of our nearest neighbours Ireland, as well as Denmark, which has a similar climate to us, and to a lesser extent Norway. I don't trust the government, basically. They're shown repeatedly that they don't prioritise public health, and I feel that once again they're putting the economy ahead of people's wellbeing. It's telling that Johnson even said the idea behind banning sporting events is because of the strain on public services (which are underfunded by his government) rather than to, you know, stop people dying. I thought his speech yesterday was a complete shitshow, somehow managing to generate panic-inducing headlines while at the same time treat the subject with flippancy. It was. I think they have got it all wrong and and the rest of the world is right. He seams content with about 560,000 people dying if you listen to what was said. Just doing the maths talked about by the Medical Officer they appear to want herd immunity which means 85% of the population catching it with a predicted 1% death rate = 560,000. Don’t tell Upsanddowns that, he’ll accuse you of misquoting our esteemed Chimp in Chief. |
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 13, 2020 9:18:58 GMT
It was. I think they have got it all wrong and and the rest of the world is right. He seams content with about 560,000 people dying if you listen to what was said. Just doing the maths talked about by the Medical Officer they appear to want herd immunity which means 85% of the population catching it with a predicted 1% death rate = 560,000. Don’t tell Upsanddowns that, he’ll accuse you of misquoting our esteemed Chimp in Chief. Sadly I have listened to at least three medical advisers talk about herd immunity last night and this morning. They must think we are so stupid we can not do some simple maths. www.itv.com/news/2020-03-12/british-government-wants-uk-to-acquire-coronavirus-herd-immunity-writes-robert-peston/ |
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