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Post by vxblue on Apr 9, 2017 20:17:17 GMT
Jon is not going anywhere. If you want us to sack him and quickly run ourselves into debt then that's a very odd opinion on your part. Hurling abuse at a manager and damaging his and the players confidence, will worsen the atmoshoer in and around the club. It will give us a bad reputation for any new players, "oh that's the cub where the fans just spout abuse at management and players" - may I add this has already started as Asa Hall pointed it out in a pre-match interview the other day that we will get on or players backs. It doesn't help whatsoever, infact it has a negative impact as it's ruining the players and staff confidence and putting the opposing team at an advantage On the flip side, we can support the team and help them get out this, prolonged, sticky spell. Bad form does not last forever and WE AS FANS can play our part to show Jon our support. He's already said in a previous interview how my lot behind the goal have helped him and his squad - LETS KEEP THIS UP. This is Jon's first season in football and I completely understand the feeling towards Sharps and how much he did for us, but Jon is the man we have now and we need to get behind him as I KNOW the man can succeed in football - he will learn from this season, from the mistakes he has made, and will become stronger from it. Come at me moaners. Jon has my full backing. Woking at home I will be singing loud and proud, JON MCCARTHYS BLUE WHITE ARMY. He's had plenty of support. We aren't known as a club who get on managers back. Burr, Young and now McCarthy were all given plenty of time and support.
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Post by chesterken on Apr 9, 2017 20:35:32 GMT
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 9, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
He desperately needs balance in his coaching staff I feel. Big Chris is not the man to provide the balance that Ian Sharps provided earlier in the campaign. I feel the most important signing we need to make in the close season is an assistant manager who can commit to the club on matchdays, and who can provide Macca with an alternative viewpoint in the technical area when the match is on, which means not standing 10 yards away from your gaffer during the second half providing no input whatsoever. I still like Jon, he comes across as a really nice guy, but he is being badly let down by some of his support staff for me. Yes the problems with selection, tactics and substitutions are there for all to see, but would that still be an issue if he had a proper full time assistant manager there to work alongside day in day out? Surely the manager is in charge and an assistant assists. You talk like the assistant should be calling the shots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 23:05:38 GMT
You lot gave Jon McCarthy an extended contract. Likewise, we gave Dean Keates an unbelievable 3 and a half year contract. Keates has never managed before. The smoke signals from Keates were encouraging though. 'Players would be out the door' etc Which has happened. But, we still have some right lazy good for nothing idle twats who collect a generous wage for turning up for training at 10am and then heading home, or the Bookies, before Midday. Just look at the car James Gray was driving when He got caught on the breathalyzer? BMW Series.... It's the f*****g National f******g League! We're the mugs. Paying £20 pounds to watch these arseholes in the Non League. The Likes of Jefferson f*****g Louis. Football's journey men. John Rooney? Etc..
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Post by Cestrian For Life on Apr 10, 2017 5:41:35 GMT
I have to say I thought Burr's biggest fault was that he wasn't actually managing the playing side of the Club (John Mc was). A good manager does delegate and he was developing his long time assistant whilst doing the scouting and club managerial duties. The big issue with Burr's tenure was Ian Sharps in my view. He quite obviously caused 'issues' in the dressing room. I think this was a clever way for Sharps to further his own coaching prospects as his footballing career was quite clearly ending. He caused the dressing room issues to get rid of Burr, knowing he would be in a good position to get the assistant managers job. I fear he always knew he wouldn't be here for long and I don't think he felt any love for this club or its fans after we were vocal about his appalling performances as a player with us so was ecstatic to drop us at the first opportunity.
In my controversial view, Sharps shafted us in many ways and we were left with Macca who simply hasn't get the management temperament or contacts (for signing decent players) to get us anywhere. The thought of Sharps coming back here as Manager is ridiculous, isn't going to happen, (why would he want to anyway?) and I for one wouldn't want him back. In fairness to Jon, he likes to work with what he's got and probably has very little in the way of budget to sign anyone decent but I think this close season will be a critical point in the journey of CFC so far. He has to sign some quality players otherwise we will almost certainly get relegated next season and fan apathy is starting to become quite apparent. Crowds are falling dramatically and something needs to be done. The thought of paying £15/£18 to watch a whole season of this crap doesn't fill me with excitement and many are now voting with their feet (and wallets).
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Post by sqzl on Apr 10, 2017 6:48:24 GMT
Ever stopped for a second and thought it might be because Hudson and Astles are the only potential centre back partnership we could have going forward with Sam inevitably leaving us? Really? Surely you play your best player, in their best position until the day comes they leave. He has all of pre-season to work on the Hudson/Astles partnership - not that that's the only option he has anyway. Disposing of Hudson and bringing in someone who can actually read the game would be a more positive solution. Why disadvantage yourself now? Surely Sam playing well at centre half improves our results, lessens the pressure on him and maybe even puts a few more quid on the tribunal fee in the summer. I do agree and would play my strongest 11 every week. My point was more that Hudson isn't the only downfall JM has to work on with this team at the moment. We concede too many goals and this isn't all him, it's lack of understanding with formations IMO which isn't helped by changing it every week.
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Post by CW6 on Apr 10, 2017 7:08:08 GMT
You lot gave Jon McCarthy an extended contract. Likewise, we gave Dean Keates an unbelievable 3 and a half year contract. Keates has never managed before. The smoke signals from Keates were encouraging though. 'Players would be out the door' etc Which has happened. But, we still have some right lazy good for nothing idle twats who collect a generous wage for turning up for training at 10am and then heading home, or the Bookies, before Midday. Just look at the car James Gray was driving when He got caught on the breathalyzer? BMW Series.... It's the f*****g National f******g League! We're the mugs. Paying £20 pounds to watch these arseholes in the Non League. The Likes of Jefferson f*****g Louis. Football's journey men. John Rooney? Etc.. 1 Great post and one I agree with. As I've said before I think both clubs are going through a very interesting learning curve at the moment with regard to players and management.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 10, 2017 8:07:51 GMT
Really? Surely you play your best player, in their best position until the day comes they leave. He has all of pre-season to work on the Hudson/Astles partnership - not that that's the only option he has anyway. Disposing of Hudson and bringing in someone who can actually read the game would be a more positive solution. Why disadvantage yourself now? Surely Sam playing well at centre half improves our results, lessens the pressure on him and maybe even puts a few more quid on the tribunal fee in the summer. I do agree and would play my strongest 11 every week. My point was more that Hudson isn't the only downfall JM has to work on with this team at the moment. We concede too many goals and this isn't all him, it's lack of understanding with formations IMO which isn't helped by changing it every week. Agree with this. It maybe that JM plays Sam at right back because we haven't anyone else if Vassell or George aren't fit. Wouldn't play Hudson there would you? Why not bring a right back in on loan though? Must be someone cheap and half decent out there. We've been changing formations and positions around to cover for the injuries in a small unbalanced squad. Hudson is an average experienced national league centre half. We do need experience in the side. Otherwise we get bullied.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 10, 2017 8:17:34 GMT
He desperately needs balance in his coaching staff I feel. Big Chris is not the man to provide the balance that Ian Sharps provided earlier in the campaign. I feel the most important signing we need to make in the close season is an assistant manager who can commit to the club on matchdays, and who can provide Macca with an alternative viewpoint in the technical area when the match is on, which means not standing 10 yards away from your gaffer during the second half providing no input whatsoever. I still like Jon, he comes across as a really nice guy, but he is being badly let down by some of his support staff for me. Yes the problems with selection, tactics and substitutions are there for all to see, but would that still be an issue if he had a proper full time assistant manager there to work alongside day in day out? I believe we should get an assistant in who has good National League experience. Regardless of whether Iwolumo is there on a match day, is he the right profile? The attacking movement hasn't got any better under him. The choice of pass hasn't improved. By all accounts it's JM that does the defensive shape and coaching. So who does the work with the ball in the final third? Surely that wasn't Sharps?
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Post by border collie on Apr 10, 2017 8:34:30 GMT
The players are not doing it for him . They should all be ordered to attend the next CFU meeting and answer to the supporters . This is no sugar daddy club . These players are insulting us by not performing and the grief they got on Saturday was well deserved
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Post by AntiMurdoch on Apr 10, 2017 9:01:28 GMT
Quite interesting that the McCarthy stays vote is quite a long way ahead on the poll . . . . personally a bit surprised. Ah well, roll on next Monday . . . let's hope we've nicked a point from one of the two daunting looking away games this week.
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Post by billyw on Apr 10, 2017 9:29:56 GMT
The players are not doing it for him . They should all be ordered to attend the next CFU meeting and answer to the supporters . This is no sugar daddy club . These players are insulting us by not performing and the grief they got on Saturday was well deserved But is it the fault of the players or is it something else. I feel the players are performing to the best of their ability, albeit limited abilities in some cases, and they looked gutted when they came off the pitch on Saturday. It may be more to do with tactics and that McCarthy has got it all wrong.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 10, 2017 9:56:38 GMT
The players are not doing it for him . They should all be ordered to attend the next CFU meeting and answer to the supporters . This is no sugar daddy club . These players are insulting us by not performing and the grief they got on Saturday was well deserved But is it the fault of the players or is it something else. I feel the players are performing to the best of their ability, albeit limited abilities in some cases, and they looked gutted when they came off the pitch on Saturday. It may be more to do with tactics and that McCarthy has got it all wrong. I don't believe we're losing through lack of effort either. They look gutted and frustrated at the end of games. It's almost as if they are trying too hard and achieving very little. The next CFU meeting might be quite interesting. Its on the 20th, I think. Sooner this season is over the better.
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Apr 10, 2017 10:10:45 GMT
"McCarthy has shown he is not good enough"
We no, he has shown he is by improving Bute's team and getting us to safety with games to spare. Bore off.
Our home form isn't good, our expectations need to be managed.
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Post by Jack on Apr 10, 2017 11:44:57 GMT
McCarthy should stay; it'd be completely reckless to pay off a contract with over 2 years left, even more so when you consider that he's delivered a league position that we'd all have taken at the start of the season.
I agree that he's found himself in a bit of a rut, where he seems to be chasing his own tail but he is a first year manager and it's all part of learning the trade. I think a lot of his tinkering has been due to the poor form of Kane Richards. I think JM wants to play 4-4-2, but has with not one alternative striker to KR, his hands have been tied a little bit. There is no doubting that at times we've played good football this year and that shows this team is capable, take our fixtures with Aldershot as examples of this. A really strong 0-0 draw at theirs and a comfortable 2-0 win at ours. Aldershot are charging towards the play-offs, so it just shows that this team isn't as far off as people make out.
I agree there are things that need to change. I agree with the calls for a a new assistant. Iwelumo cannot commit and the negativity around his appointment isn't good for anybody. Re-advertise the position and get somebody in who JM can forge a strong relationship in. I also think JM doesn't help himself, some of his soundbites are bizarre and overly-defensive, it's the sort of stuff that invites pressure. He and Neil Turner seem to have a quirkly relationship and Macca seems to prickle to anything said that's not entirely positive. Again, he'll learn as he goes on that front. Thirdly, I like that he's supportive of the squad and think players react positively to it, but he also needs to see what is so abundantly clear in front of his eyes. Loads of these players have improved, some are not providing value for money. Chappell, George, Hudson, Joyce, Richards, Killock, Marsh etc. These are all players that should have question marks and long discussions over yet the manager seems to suggest it's a no brainer to keep them all here. I'd like to see him judge each individual case on its merit.
But overall, support the manager and let him learn. It's an awful run, but we need to give him the chance to regroup and go again next season.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 10, 2017 11:51:05 GMT
You lot gave Jon McCarthy an extended contract. Likewise, we gave Dean Keates an unbelievable 3 and a half year contract. Keates has never managed before. The smoke signals from Keates were encouraging though. 'Players would be out the door' etc Which has happened. But, we still have some right lazy good for nothing idle twats who collect a generous wage for turning up for training at 10am and then heading home, or the Bookies, before Midday. Just look at the car James Gray was driving when He got caught on the breathalyzer? BMW Series.... It's the f*****g National f******g League! We're the mugs. Paying £20 pounds to watch these arseholes in the Non League. The Likes of Jefferson f*****g Louis. Football's journey men. John Rooney? Etc.. 1 I never believed I'd ever say this to a Wrexham fan, but very good post Goats and Roses. That little waste of a wage Richards drives a car way, way above his ability as well.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Apr 10, 2017 12:18:17 GMT
Double the number saying no and 7 others who are pretty much saying same thing.
I must admit i lost my temper with Jon on Saturday. He came out saying getting something from the York game would be a scalp. I understand what he was trying to say but that little club mentality and his team selection picked to contain York stank of cowardice. I have no problem him saying they have bigger budget and it will be tough but we're safe and we're a better team than York. I have to believe that, to not believe that is to believe that we don't belong in the conference and we are punching above our weight. Whilst i accept we dont have the biggest budget, i don't think the little club mentality washes with our fans who have been watching a football league sides for the majority. This may be our new reality, but talk us up, be positive, especially now you have room to breathe.
That said i want to mention something. Certain members of the crowd we're extremely vocal in denouncing the performance of Lucas Dawson on Saturday. I've no doubt they are probably the same ones who are now bemoaning the decision to take him off. This young lad has just come back into the game and he was the only one trying to pass. The thing is when you try to pass, you take risks and sometimes they don't come off. The alternative is to hit long to the corners - i wish people would make their mind up. To say, pass but pass better just doesn't wash at this level, think someone said above about managing expectations - this isn't the tinpot leagues we had room to do what we want in, this is a tough league and we're bottom half fodder. These young lads are doing what they can and need support not criticism. Some on the bile shouted Saturday was disgraceful, and in my view bloody ill-informed.
Jon hasn't ''worked wonders'' but he's obviously done a better job than Burr. I don't buy that it was all down to Sharps. Jon has his 4-4-2 philosphy and injuries have lead him to toy around and it's been a failure. I do think he needs more confidence in his team, he talks like he does but then sets up 4-5-1 at home. I might take it vs FGR or Lincoln but not York, i'm sorry.
That said he's more than done enough over this season to keep his job. We've apparently got a lower bidget next year and risk losing Southport, Tranmere and York is terms of away support. Lowering that budget further would be a lunacy. I anticipate JM will be better next season having had this to learn from. Lets not forget up to xmas people thought a bigger club would come in for him. 1 year extention would have done to protect an asset people (albeit clearly the minority) want to throw away.
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 10, 2017 15:25:01 GMT
Grimsby have just sacked Marcus Bignot. Strange one that, their fans aren't happy. He's only been there a few months and not done too bad I don't think.
McCarthy is yours if you'd like him, lads.
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Post by 3 years and counting on Apr 10, 2017 15:28:48 GMT
That is how long McCarthy has been with us, and in that time what the hell has he achieved; apart from managing to keep us up last year, when HE and Burr together left us in relegation fight !! Also he was with Burr as assistant manager for about 2 years or more before he came to us, so he has loads of time served experience ?? !!
I do not understand all this give him time, how much longer do we have to suffer the same crap on and off the field. He is exactly the same as manager as he was assistant manager, blaming the budget, the officials and now the supporters for not backing his wonderfull players. But no, you have the happy clappers saying give him time, so lets give him till Christmas; and let him continue serving up the same rubbish. Basically what the hell do you expect to change, he is now more than 5 years in management as assistant or , poor us, manager . Maybe he is nice guy but he is not a manager !!
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 10, 2017 16:04:15 GMT
See Marcus Bignot has been sacked by Grimsby. There's a manager who has achieved success on a small budget when he was at Solihull, developed players and sold them on for a decent profit. Just the type of manager our club needs.
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Post by Al on Apr 10, 2017 16:39:16 GMT
He desperately needs balance in his coaching staff I feel. Big Chris is not the man to provide the balance that Ian Sharps provided earlier in the campaign. I feel the most important signing we need to make in the close season is an assistant manager who can commit to the club on matchdays, and who can provide Macca with an alternative viewpoint in the technical area when the match is on, which means not standing 10 yards away from your gaffer during the second half providing no input whatsoever. I still like Jon, he comes across as a really nice guy, but he is being badly let down by some of his support staff for me. Yes the problems with selection, tactics and substitutions are there for all to see, but would that still be an issue if he had a proper full time assistant manager there to work alongside day in day out? Surely the manager is in charge and an assistant assists. You talk like the assistant should be calling the shots. Don't talk bollocks, I haven't suggested that in the slightest. What I have said is that he should have a number two who actually communicates with him and provides him with an alternative viewpoint from his own. That is clearly what we did have with Sharps alongside him, and what we most definitely did not have on Saturday with big Chris stood 10 yards away from Macca. Macca needs help, but he needs to help himself first and foremost and that starts with telling big Chris 'thanks, but no thanks'.
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Post by Blue 2 on Apr 10, 2017 16:47:16 GMT
Wish you would all stop moaning on here and site your anger straight to the club via a letter hit McGuires desk with as many letters as we can so he realises what shit we have and open his eyes dont think he ever reads this at the end of the day its our club and everthink should go to a vote lets take control of our club and not let these wasters spend a penny of our money no more I think a meeting is due
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Post by Chester_Blue on Apr 10, 2017 18:18:06 GMT
since sharps has gone we have played crap football even when we won we have very rare looked comfortable in our wins
for starters after the boreham wood game he needs to tell his pal iwelumo that his contract is not up for renewal and bring someone who knows what they are doing in
been a fan of macca since he took over but after saturday's shambolic display my patience has ran out
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Post by sqzl on Apr 10, 2017 18:55:44 GMT
You lot gave Jon McCarthy an extended contract. Likewise, we gave Dean Keates an unbelievable 3 and a half year contract. Keates has never managed before. The smoke signals from Keates were encouraging though. 'Players would be out the door' etc Which has happened. But, we still have some right lazy good for nothing idle twats who collect a generous wage for turning up for training at 10am and then heading home, or the Bookies, before Midday. Just look at the car James Gray was driving when He got caught on the breathalyzer? BMW Series.... It's the f*****g National f******g League! We're the mugs. Paying £20 pounds to watch these arseholes in the Non League. The Likes of Jefferson f*****g Louis. Football's journey men. John Rooney? Etc.. 1 Great post and one I agree with. As I've said before I think both clubs are going through a very interesting learning curve at the moment with regard to players and management. True indeed, that said most 17 year olds can drive a BMW brand new these days because they'll sign anyone up on finance and let them struggle to afford it.
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Post by richard on Apr 10, 2017 19:17:01 GMT
Wish you would all stop moaning on here and site your anger straight to the club via a letter hit McGuires desk with as many letters as we can so he realises what shit we have and open his eyes dont think he ever reads this at the end of the day its our club and everthink should go tko a vote lets take control of our club and not let these wasters spend a penny of our money no more I think a meeting is due I wish you would consider using the odd comma and full stop in your last two posts.
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Post by Fed up on Apr 10, 2017 19:29:47 GMT
Quite interesting that the McCarthy stays vote is quite a long way ahead on the poll . . . . personally a bit surprised. Ah well, roll on next Monday . . . let's hope we've nicked a point from one of the two daunting looking away games this week. All he's had to do is get a few mates to register, vote for him and pad out the result in his favour...simples!
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 10, 2017 19:48:26 GMT
No he should not be sacked.
To do so now would be ridiculous. Let's see the season out and look at the recruitment.
The big problem is getting some solidity in defence and we've been really unlucky this season with that. Losing Hughes and Vassell to injury was the big problem and ever since then we've chopped and changed too much. And those injuries laid bare our lack of strength in depth.
But.....next season there will have to be a low threshold for making a change. We can't limp on until nearly Xmas like we did with Young.
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 10, 2017 19:54:07 GMT
since sharps has gone we have played crap football even when we won we have very rare looked comfortable in our wins for starters after the boreham wood game he needs to tell his pal iwelumo that his contract is not up for renewal and bring someone who knows what they are doing in been a fan of macca since he took over but after saturday's shambolic display my patience has ran out Yes the Iwelumo situation needs seriously looking at. We need somebody there on match day, every match day. I defended the arrangement at first but now I think it's unfair to leave McCarthy carrying the burden all the time. There's loads of good assistants all through the top three tiers of non-league. We need somebody with connections and who understands the game at this level.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 10, 2017 19:55:42 GMT
Surely the manager is in charge and an assistant assists. You talk like the assistant should be calling the shots. Don't talk bollocks, I haven't suggested that in the slightest. What I have said is that he should have a number two who actually communicates with him and provides him with an alternative viewpoint from his own. That is clearly what we did have with Sharps alongside him, and what we most definitely did not have on Saturday with big Chris stood 10 yards away from Macca. Macca needs help, but he needs to help himself first and foremost and that starts with telling big Chris 'thanks, but no thanks'. It's bollocks to suggest that all Jon needs is "an alternative viewpoint". Left to himself he makes poor decisions. Therefore he needs an assistant who is making the right calls and ignoring Jon's ideas. That sounds to me like the assistant calling the shots. Oh, and by the way "bollocks".
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Post by massivefloodlights on Apr 10, 2017 19:58:32 GMT
Macca is going nowhere. Get used to that fact and look at how you, as a fan owned club can help. Turning up in bigger numbers would be a start. Tone down the negativity too.
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