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Post by Blue Murder on Apr 10, 2017 20:00:14 GMT
No he should not be sacked. To do so now would be ridiculous. Let's see the season out and look at the recruitment. The big problem is getting some solidity in defence and we've been really unlucky this season with that. Losing Hughes and Vassell to injury was the big problem and ever since then we've chopped and changed too much. And those injuries laid bare our lack of strength in depth. But.....next season there will have to be a low threshold for making a change. We can't limp on until nearly Xmas like we did with Young. Can fully understand your point of view. But have just seen Jmc's interview with Neil Turner giving his views on the strength and ability of the current squad, and wish I could share your confidence that he will make the necessary changes and recruit wisely. If we are limping along, say even in late October, I think the season will only end one way, as costly mistakes in recruitment will be very difficult to correct whichever escapologist we could attract as a successor ! |
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Post by Stadium way on Apr 10, 2017 20:01:39 GMT
Shaun Reid....he woudnt have a magic wand but im pretty darn sure he wouldnt roll over for chuffin York.
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 10, 2017 20:02:47 GMT
Don't talk bollocks, I haven't suggested that in the slightest. What I have said is that he should have a number two who actually communicates with him and provides him with an alternative viewpoint from his own. That is clearly what we did have with Sharps alongside him, and what we most definitely did not have on Saturday with big Chris stood 10 yards away from Macca. Macca needs help, but he needs to help himself first and foremost and that starts with telling big Chris 'thanks, but no thanks'. It's bollocks to suggest that all Jon needs is "an alternative viewpoint". Left to himself he makes poor decisions. Therefore he needs an assistant who is making the right calls and ignoring Jon's ideas. That sounds to me like the assistant calling the shots. Oh, and by the way "bollocks". It's perfectly fine for assistants to input into tactics. It's what we chuffin pay them for. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 10, 2017 20:02:54 GMT
Macca is going nowhere. Get used to that fact and look at how you, as a fan owned club can help. Turning up in bigger numbers would be a start. Tone down the negativity too. Turning up in bigger numbers to see the manager get his tactics wrong and us lose again and again. That helps how? Unless it sharing the misery out. And if "Macca is going nowhere" then neither are we (except maybe down next season). |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 10, 2017 20:04:26 GMT
It's bollocks to suggest that all Jon needs is "an alternative viewpoint". Left to himself he makes poor decisions. Therefore he needs an assistant who is making the right calls and ignoring Jon's ideas. That sounds to me like the assistant calling the shots. Oh, and by the way "bollocks". It's perfectly fine for assistants to input into tactics. It's what we chuffin pay them for. I suggest it's not input we need but overruling Jon. |
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Post by Diva on Apr 10, 2017 20:08:03 GMT
Do we really believe sacking the Manager is the way to go because I don't. Don't get me wrong the recent home form has been abysmal and the after match interviews are not doing anyone any favours but I think we need to look at the bigger picture. Who are the alternatives  Unless we change the infrastructure around the Manager and install more support staff to the football side of things then it doesn't matter who you bring in you are set up to fail. Yes you make a change and short term you may get results but it's certainly not the answer long term and this time next year we will be having the same conversations about replacing the Manager. We have a great club, which has achieved so much in such a short space of time but I do think with the football landscape changing so much ( many teams full time and conf North teams paying vast amounts on players) it's now time to reavaluate where we are at and plan for the next 5 years with a clear philosophy and vision of where we are going as a club. There is to much negativity around " happy to stay up, can't afford this , low,budget etc. All this doom and gloom, let's plan to reinvigorate the support and give them some positivity that the club is moving forward. We have something great and we have had many great times and it's our club and its only us that can make the changes for the better. Many clubs would swap places with us everyday of the week! But we can't afford to rest on our laurels. |
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Post by Blue Murder on Apr 10, 2017 20:34:47 GMT
Do we really believe sacking the Manager is the way to go because I don't. Don't get me wrong the recent home form has been abysmal and the after match interviews are not doing anyone any favours but I think we need to look at the bigger picture. Who are the alternatives Unless we change the infrastructure around the Manager and install more support staff to the football side of things then it doesn't matter who you bring in you are set up to fail. Yes you make a change and short term you may get results but it's certainly not the answer long term and this time next year we will be having the same conversations about replacing the Manager. We have a great club, which has achieved so much in such a short space of time but I do think with the football landscape changing so much ( many teams full time and conf North teams paying vast amounts on players) it's now time to reavaluate where we are at and plan for the next 5 years with a clear philosophy and vision of where we are going as a club. There is to much negativity around " happy to stay up, can't afford this , low,budget etc. All this doom and gloom, let's plan to reinvigorate the support and give them some positivity that the club is moving forward. We have something great and we have had many great times and it's our club and its only us that can make the changes for the better. Many clubs would swap places with us everyday of the week! But we can't afford to rest on our laurels. Valid points, but very similar comments to those highlighted could just as easily emanate from the CLUB itself right now . Many consider the current position as a success and objective achieved. But, such a lack of ambition only leads to a spiral of decline and Conf North.
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Post by hackett on Apr 11, 2017 0:53:55 GMT
Had my opinion earlier in this thread but what do people actually want, out of intrest? We're not going to get any better, can't afford to pay him off (If we wanted), team will be similar next season minus a few, what are you expecting?
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Post by dragonslayer on Apr 11, 2017 8:25:13 GMT
Probable relegation.
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Post by dragonslayer on Apr 11, 2017 9:13:48 GMT
The thread topic is , Should he be sacked. in my opinion without the new contract, there is a good chance JM could have been sacked already. Only my opinion mind.
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Post by Almost Blue on Apr 11, 2017 11:06:30 GMT
Jon McCarthy was a bad appointment in the first place. Please Jon, do the decent thing and resign now.
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Post by Dodge on Apr 11, 2017 12:06:20 GMT
Jon McCarthy was a bad appointment in the first place. Please Jon, do the decent thing and resign now. There are plenty of people on here who "knew it was a joke decision to give him that contract" that were also on the old forum and didn't air their concerns then, strange. |
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Post by could be worse on Apr 11, 2017 12:13:50 GMT
could be an arsenal fan right now having many years of wenger in charge not many titles and unrest in the stands
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Post by Bemused blue on Apr 11, 2017 18:29:32 GMT
Jon McCarthy was a bad appointment in the first place. Please Jon, do the decent thing and resign now. There are plenty of people on here who "knew it was a joke decision to give him that contract" that were also on the old forum and didn't air their concerns then, strange. [b It might of been a good decision at the time (albeit a year too long in my opinion) but the run we are on and have been forn4 1/2 months makes people's reactions to the extension irrelevant, he should be judged on current standards and based on current standards it isn't good enough. |
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Post by Ruperto on Apr 11, 2017 19:01:34 GMT
Who is out there to replace him though? More importantly, who we can afford. He's the best we can hope for with our budget so let's give him until January to see how things turn out.
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Post by franksalot on Apr 11, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
Has to be given time , the contract says so. My concerns are having the opportunity to create a solid spine for the team but continually use players in other positions and loyal sticking by some when it is glaringly obvious they are out of their depth. A big summer ahead
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 22:20:59 GMT
You were all happy enough with him earlier on in the season when he took you to your dizzy heights of 9th in the League.... I can recall glancing at the old Deva Chat and most of you were out of your minds with JM It was like you were all on Black Mamba. Zombied. And like Wrexham, you've given him a generous contract. Chester, you'll have to pay him off to 2019 at the very least ... www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chester-fc-boss-jon-mccarthy-12506686etc etc etc |
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Post by Blue Trev on Apr 11, 2017 22:59:54 GMT
You were all happy enough with him earlier on in the season when he took you to your dizzy heights of 9th in the League.... I can recall glancing at the old Deva Chat and most of you were out of your minds with JM It was like you were all on Black Mamba. Zombied. And like Wrexham, you've given him a generous contract. Chester, you'll have to pay him off to 2019 at the very least ... www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chester-fc-boss-jon-mccarthy-12506686etc etc etc How is young Mr Keates doing ? |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 13, 2017 10:58:12 GMT
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Post by Browser on Apr 13, 2017 11:09:29 GMT
You were all happy enough with him earlier on in the season when he took you to your dizzy heights of 9th in the League.... I can recall glancing at the old Deva Chat and most of you were out of your minds with JM It was like you were all on Black Mamba. Zombied. And like Wrexham, you've given him a generous contract. Chester, you'll have to pay him off to 2019 at the very least ... Our fans are hardly alone in that. The way some Wrexham fans were raving about Mills and that you were "on the cusp of something special" after you won away to an awful Kidderminster side in August 2015 was hilarious looking back. Link |
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Post by luckyblue on Apr 13, 2017 16:47:39 GMT
I now have "gallows humour" for each home game... knowing that we are likely to be beaten. BUT... we are near as damn it safe with a number of games to spare. Would have taken that at the start of the campaign. Hughes and possibly Alibi cash to come in to shore up a few more positions for next season... leading to a higher finish again next campaign.
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Post by soulseal on Apr 13, 2017 19:12:29 GMT
I now have "gallows humour" for each home game... knowing that we are likely to be beaten. BUT... we are near as damn it safe with a number of games to spare. Would have taken that at the start of the campaign. Hughes and possibly Alibi cash to come in to shore up a few more positions for next season... leading to a higher finish again next campaign. Bit more of this spirit spread around would be good... |
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Post by Bemused Blue on Apr 13, 2017 19:38:18 GMT
Bloody hell your absolutely everywhere! |
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Post by chesterblue1970 on Apr 13, 2017 20:14:31 GMT
i'll give him till december if we are fighting for our lifes then he has to go and bring a replacement who can get the best out of the squad for the remaining 4 months
apart from barnsley southend and bens late winner vs the goats there has hardly been anything to celebrate about over the last few seasons
would like to taste the play offs one season even if we got knocked out in them at least we can say we got there
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Post by Genghis Khan on Apr 13, 2017 21:12:14 GMT
No.
Look at the teams played in the good run and the teams played in the bad run and you will see the fixtures are very unbalanced with the weaker sides in the good run and the better sides in the poor run. Also after Sharps left we won 4 and drew 4 of the next 8 matches so I think his influence is overstated. The long term injuries to Mahon, Akintunde, Killock, Chappell, Vassell and George have meant players carrying knocks have had to play in the second half of the season adding to the difficulties. So the main fault you can ascribe to Macca is that he should have used the loan market to get some cover and he should have had 4 strikers signed on from the start of the season. He's tried the loans to some extent but without any great success - it ain't easy as we 've seen last season. If you think the players are sub standard (some ridiculous comments have been made on this topic)then logic would say Macca must be a magic motivator to achieve the results he has over the season. I think he's learnt he needs 4 strikers.
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Post by Fed up on Apr 13, 2017 22:29:15 GMT
No. Look at the teams played in the good run and the teams played in the bad run and you will see the fixtures are very unbalanced with the weaker sides in the good run and the better sides in the poor run. Also after Sharps left we won 4 and drew 4 of the next 8 matches so I think his influence is overstated. The long term injuries to Mahon, Akintunde, Killock, Chappell, Vassell and George have meant players carrying knocks have had to play in the second half of the season adding to the difficulties. So the main fault you can ascribe to Macca is that he should have used the loan market to get some cover and he should have had 4 strikers signed on from the start of the season. He's tried the loans to some extent but without any great success - it ain't easy as we 've seen last season. If you think the players are sub standard (some ridiculous comments have been made on this topic)then logic would say Macca must be a magic motivator to achieve the results he has over the season. I think he's learnt he needs 4 strikers.Where's the proof of that? He still only plays 1 up front at home. He's had the whole of 2017 to learn and done nothing about it! The only thing you can extract from that is that he's pig-headed and stubborn, even when wrong. |
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Post by bethnalblue on Apr 13, 2017 23:13:57 GMT
No. Look at the teams played in the good run and the teams played in the bad run and you will see the fixtures are very unbalanced with the weaker sides in the good run and the better sides in the poor run. Also after Sharps left we won 4 and drew 4 of the next 8 matches so I think his influence is overstated. The long term injuries to Mahon, Akintunde, Killock, Chappell, Vassell and George have meant players carrying knocks have had to play in the second half of the season adding to the difficulties. So the main fault you can ascribe to Macca is that he should have used the loan market to get some cover and he should have had 4 strikers signed on from the start of the season. He's tried the loans to some extent but without any great success - it ain't easy as we 've seen last season. If you think the players are sub standard (some ridiculous comments have been made on this topic)then logic would say Macca must be a magic motivator to achieve the results he has over the season. I think he's learnt he needs 4 strikers. Yeah spot on!! Those quality sides like Solihull Moors and Maidstone Utd that hammered us..... Or how about York City or Eastleigh? So by your logic we should beat Woking no problem on Monday then? Sounds like you've listened to a few too many of his after match interviews. |
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Unless we change the infrastructure around the Manager and install more support staff to the football side of things then it doesn't matter who you bring in you are set up to fail. 
