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Post by Blacon Blue on Apr 9, 2017 7:22:17 GMT
There has been a lot of debate on here about JM the last few weeks with strong views both ways from certain quarters.
Let's put it to poll and see the general consensus of what the fans are truly feeling.
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Post by billyw on Apr 9, 2017 7:28:03 GMT
There has been a lot of debate on here about JM the last few weeks with strong views both ways from certain quarters. Let's put it to poll and see the general consensus of what the fans are truly feeling. A bit of a pointless thread because we can't afford to pay him off. Our only hope is that we can find a No2 in the Sharps mould to work with him. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 9, 2017 7:30:19 GMT
In my opinion he deserves more time, which basically means no.
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Post by Blacon Blue on Apr 9, 2017 7:34:45 GMT
There has been a lot of debate on here about JM the last few weeks with strong views both ways from certain quarters. Let's put it to poll and see the general consensus of what the fans are truly feeling. A bit of a pointless thread because we can't afford to pay him off. Our only hope is that we can find a No2 in the Sharps mould to work with him. Whether we can pay him off or not doesn't make this a poinless thread. Do you think any club wants to pay off a managers contract whether they can afford it or not. With all this talk of being overly negative or a happy clapper it is interesting to see what the overall view is. |
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Post by steveo1 on Apr 9, 2017 7:36:16 GMT
It was a joke decision to give him a two and a half year deal, absolute madness, did we not learn a lesson.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 9, 2017 8:03:07 GMT
It was a joke decision to give him a two and a half year deal, absolute madness, did we not learn a lesson. I think that's what annoys me most. If we'd give him until the end of this season, I'm fairly confident he'd either have been out by now or close to it. The board would have been much freer to act. As it is, we've naively tied ourselves down to a manager who, although very passionate, is way out of his depth. Walsall clearly saw that Sharpes was the brains of the outfit, why didn't we? |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 9, 2017 8:27:26 GMT
Should he be sacked? Yes absolutely. We can all see next season, when we are watching this same crap, on crowds of 1,500, firmly routed in the relegation zone. It dosen't take a genius to see that far ahead. Unfortunately some very giddy members of our board have made that impossible, therefore we are stuck with this reality. It's very depressing and shows nothing has been learnt from the Steve Burr debacle. Did they really think if they didn't wrap his signing up in January someone might poach him? Based on the fact we were knocked out of both cups early and were already dropping like a stone I could hardly have seen it happening. It's a long way back for him, just like it was for Steve Burr. Lots getting on his back now and worryingly he seems focused on trying to retaliate, when the best way to do it would be to prove he can manage.
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Post by Pavlov on Apr 9, 2017 8:47:03 GMT
I didn't notice anyone complaining when we gave JM the deal. Hindsight makes us all wise huh! I think he has made a few cock ups tactically, in the press and with subs recently. But with such a poor run of form who can blame him for trying something different. Maybe it's a cunning plan to make some our players look crap so we can sign them again for next season😀.
We need to stick with him and possibly get rid of his side kick the big man. Give him till Xmas and then access the situation. The poor run of home form is a concern but the players seem as gutted as the fans so we tough it out. The flappers will keep on flapping.
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Post by vxblue on Apr 9, 2017 8:50:36 GMT
In my opinion he deserves more time, which basically means no. How much more time? |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 9, 2017 9:16:48 GMT
Good question. I would give him until Christmas next season or a little bit longer. If we are doing well at that time he could see through that contract.
But at the moment he is doing very little and he needs to think through this during the Summer if we want to improve next year.
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Post by paulie on Apr 9, 2017 9:36:27 GMT
It's a yes from me. Think his time is up, but the fact we are not in a position to pay him off is the main factor. Steve Burr mark II.
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Post by kyle on Apr 9, 2017 9:46:07 GMT
Whoever decided a long contract extension was a good idea should be sacked
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Post by Blue Realist on Apr 9, 2017 9:57:34 GMT
In my opinion he deserves more time, which basically means no. How much more time?
I feel that McCarthy, like Burr, has confused himself about best formation, tactics, personnel etc . The stats don't lie. Since boxing day we have W 4 D 1 L 12, before this and including Sharps influence our record was W9 D9 L8. Whilst results have been poor since Christmas , it is however the unacceptable manner of home defeats which must be of most concern, coupled with the impact on attendances. A clear pattern has been set with no real improvement for over 4 months. Other than the 4 vital away wins what, if any, confidence can we have that the same manager and practically the same team (minus Hughes) won't carry on in the same manner with ultimately Relegation looming before next Christmas ? The real question is, can we afford to let him have anymore time.
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Post by Blacon Blue on Apr 9, 2017 10:02:36 GMT
Sharps went for the Mgrs job at the same time of JM but missed out, obviously he saw himself as a manager and not a coach and that is the fundamental difference with Iwelumo who seems to just be a striker coach. JM is desperate for a good no. 2 but then again does that mean it is the work of a number 2 and not his own should we do well...
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Post by whopper1 on Apr 9, 2017 10:05:26 GMT
Sack him now,get a new manager in who has all summer to put his own team together and get rid of 90 percent of the crap we have at the moment
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Post by blue4life on Apr 9, 2017 10:06:42 GMT
Whoever decided a long contract extension was a good idea should be sacked Probably our chairman Alan. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 9, 2017 10:19:11 GMT
Whoever decided a long contract extension was a good idea should be sacked Probably our chairman Alan. Who, it has to be noted, has become very quiet. Surely as elected chair he will be making the concerns of the supporters clear to those paid by us to do their jobs? |
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Post by gone4eva on Apr 9, 2017 10:21:30 GMT
There has been a lot of debate on here about JM the last few weeks with strong views both ways from certain quarters. Let's put it to poll and see the general consensus of what the fans are truly feeling. Watch out you will be threatened with a ban for being a troll... |
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Post by Please resign on Apr 9, 2017 10:22:05 GMT
Of course he should go.
But some pillocks decided after a lousy start to the season then a decent run ( with Sharpes organising the defence ! ) that there were clubs queing up to sign him;
so they gave him a 2 and half year contract.
Can no one see why he is playing Hughes out of position , it is to show the supporters who will be our centre backs, and with HIS best signing we are doomed to relegation.
He is offering contracts to players who have been injured or rubbish most of the season, why, because he has not a clue how to assess new players !!
So he takes the easy way out and tries to keep the same squad !
He is and allways will be obsessed with stastiscs, due to his sports science backround, but he will NEVER be a good manager as long as he has a hole in his bum !!
So please, please , plesa Mr MacCarthy due the decent thing and resign, and stop talking , as you do in your interviews about all that STUFF, basically give us a chance to survive as a club.
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Post by please resign on Apr 9, 2017 10:24:05 GMT
My apologies for my typing, spelling errors !!!
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Post by Blacon Blue on Apr 9, 2017 10:30:57 GMT
There has been a lot of debate on here about JM the last few weeks with strong views both ways from certain quarters. Let's put it to poll and see the general consensus of what the fans are truly feeling. Watch out you will be threatened with a ban for being a troll... We are a fan owned club and entitled to a healthy debate on the current state of affairs. I haven't called him out I have simply started a debate to see what fellow fans think. |
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Post by Si on Apr 9, 2017 10:35:09 GMT
There has been a lot of debate on here about JM the last few weeks with strong views both ways from certain quarters. Let's put it to poll and see the general consensus of what the fans are truly feeling. Watch out you will be threatened with a ban for being a troll... Have I missed something? I'm not aware of any bans apart from Goat and Tranmere WUMS? |
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Post by hackett on Apr 9, 2017 11:04:35 GMT
No. Start of the season target was avoid relegation and a top half finish, which is still on the cards. Home performances haven't anywhere near good enough but where do we go from here? We need to get behind him, give him until Christmas if things haven't changed by then it's time to go.
Management in football these days is a revolving door and who can say that's a good thing?
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Post by Blue Realist on Apr 9, 2017 11:41:39 GMT
No. Start of the season target was avoid relegation and a top half finish, which is still on the cards. Home performances haven't anywhere near good enough but where do we go from here? We need to get behind him, give him until Christmas if things haven't changed by then it's time to go. Management in football these days is a revolving door and who can say that's a good thing? Your positivity after yesterday’s game is remarkable ! given the abysmal levels of performance. Please could you explain why you still have any confidence of a top half finish? As a season ticket holder having seen all our home games this season (Cheshire cup excepted ), my view is that Jon should really leave now, to avoid potential long term damage to the club. Whilst avoiding relegation this season should be achieved baring a complete catastrophe , there has been little suggest over the last 4 months that Jon and apparently much of the same team have the capability of achieving this rather limited an unambitious objective next season. Regardless of revolving doors and managerial merry go rounds, sometimes things just don't work out. Simply allowing him to carry on until Christmas 2018 on the basis of blind faith, or that he is a very nice man, is not a very sensible way to proceed in the results driven world of professional football or indeed of running a successful business . |
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 9, 2017 12:28:12 GMT
Jon is not going anywhere. If you want us to sack him and quickly run ourselves into debt then that's a very odd opinion on your part. Hurling abuse at a manager and damaging his and the players confidence, will worsen the atmoshoer in and around the club. It will give us a bad reputation for any new players, "oh that's the cub where the fans just spout abuse at management and players" - may I add this has already started as Asa Hall pointed it out in a pre-match interview the other day that we will get on or players backs. It doesn't help whatsoever, infact it has a negative impact as it's ruining the players and staff confidence and putting the opposing team at an advantage
On the flip side, we can support the team and help them get out this, prolonged, sticky spell. Bad form does not last forever and WE AS FANS can play our part to show Jon our support. He's already said in a previous interview how my lot behind the goal have helped him and his squad - LETS KEEP THIS UP. This is Jon's first season in football and I completely understand the feeling towards Sharps and how much he did for us, but Jon is the man we have now and we need to get behind him as I KNOW the man can succeed in football - he will learn from this season, from the mistakes he has made, and will become stronger from it. Come at me moaners. Jon has my full backing. Woking at home I will be singing loud and proud, JON MCCARTHYS BLUE WHITE ARMY.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 9, 2017 12:33:46 GMT
Jon is not going anywhere. If you want us to sack him and quickly run ourselves into debt then that's a very odd opinion on your part. Hurling abuse at a manager and damaging his and the players confidence, will worsen the atmoshoer in and around the club. It will give us a bad reputation for any new players, "oh that's the cub where the fans just spout abuse at management and players" - may I add this has already started as Asa Hall pointed it out in a pre-match interview the other day that we will get on or players backs. It doesn't help whatsoever, infact it has a negative impact as it's ruining the players and staff confidence and putting the opposing team at an advantage On the flip side, we can support the team and help them get out this, prolonged, sticky spell. Bad form does not last forever and WE AS FANS can play our part to show Jon our support. He's already said in a previous interview how my lot behind the goal have helped him and his squad - LETS KEEP THIS UP. This is Jon's first season in football and I completely understand the feeling towards Sharps and how much he did for us, but Jon is the man we have now and we need to get behind him as I KNOW the man can succeed in football - he will learn from this season, from the mistakes he has made, and will become stronger from it. Come at me moaners. Jon has my full backing. Woking at home I will be singing loud and proud, JON MCCARTHYS BLUE WHITE ARMY. Exactly. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 12:49:41 GMT
Sacked? - not sure
But some sort of change to the management setup is URGENTLY required
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Post by Wake up call on Apr 9, 2017 12:56:27 GMT
Jon is not going anywhere. If you want us to sack him and quickly run ourselves into debt then that's a very odd opinion on your part. Hurling abuse at a manager and damaging his and the players confidence, will worsen the atmoshoer in and around the club. It will give us a bad reputation for any new players, "oh that's the cub where the fans just spout abuse at management and players" - may I add this has already started as Asa Hall pointed it out in a pre-match interview the other day that we will get on or players backs. It doesn't help whatsoever, infact it has a negative impact as it's ruining the players and staff confidence and putting the opposing team at an advantage On the flip side, we can support the team and help them get out this, prolonged, sticky spell. Bad form does not last forever and WE AS FANS can play our part to show Jon our support. He's already said in a previous interview how my lot behind the goal have helped him and his squad - LETS KEEP THIS UP. This is Jon's first season in football and I completely understand the feeling towards Sharps and how much he did for us, but Jon is the man we have now and we need to get behind him as I KNOW the man can succeed in football - he will learn from this season, from the mistakes he has made, and will become stronger from it. Come at me moaners. Jon has my full backing. Woking at home I will be singing loud and proud, JON MCCARTHYS BLUE WHITE ARMY. So just sing and support him regardless of how we perform!? He is not good enough, end of story and the club will be in worse shape with him in charge next season. Worse than paying off his contact will be relegation next season, we would never recover from that. He has proven over the last 4 and half months he isn't good enough and his tactics and team selection have been absolutely appalling weeks after week. How we can continue to play 451 time and time again at home and pack the piss poor midfield we have is a joke, our best player continually played out of position to foolishly accommodate his best ever signing. His signings of Marsh, Obrien and Davies really poor and Dawson only player who is okay - certainly not a great find as hasnt set us on fire. Absolutely desperate for a striker when Akintunde injured and hasn't brought one in. Absolutely guarantee there are loan signings or free transfers out there that we could of utilised. Some fans need to face facts and look at our points haul since xmas, if we carry that into next season we will be relegated. All the hard work to get us back into the National league will be completely undone. You may be a nice guy JM but your not a manager, your a college coach. |
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Post by Joe Bloggs on Apr 9, 2017 12:58:44 GMT
Sack him now,get a new manager in who has all summer to put his own team together and get rid of 90 percent of the crap we have at the moment Great idea...but where does the money come from to bin him off and pay for new players? |
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Post by whopper1 on Apr 9, 2017 13:11:55 GMT
Sack him now,get a new manager in who has all summer to put his own team together and get rid of 90 percent of the crap we have at the moment Great idea...but where does the money come from to bin him off and pay for new players? there will be plenty of players on the free in the summer and paying him off will be worth it in the long run, if we stick with him and this squad next season we will go down and never come back up |
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