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Mar 18, 2021 9:53:02 GMT
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Post by cityboy5705 on Mar 18, 2021 9:53:02 GMT
The NHS will face a “significant” reduction in vaccine supplies for the whole of April, it’s been announced. A cut in the weekly supply of available vaccines from the manufacturers. Held up in India apparently. That'll be the EU's fault as well then! A lot of supplies seem to have oddly been held up, gone missing or not materialised during this crisis. This is remeniscent of the early PPE shortages, where it turned out that supplies we were told were on their way had only just been requested and were still on a plane in Turkey. And if I remember rightly, they turned out not to be up to NHS standards anyway and had to be returned. Perhaps not surprising when the Health Secretary has been found to have broken the law in his handling of Covid contracts, and is still in his job for some reason. We're cool with that sort of thing these days, it seems. it's the EU fault but they just blame India for the ineptitude again
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Post by Lobster on Mar 18, 2021 9:59:14 GMT
Held up in India apparently. That'll be the EU's fault as well then! A lot of supplies seem to have oddly been held up, gone missing or not materialised during this crisis. This is remeniscent of the early PPE shortages, where it turned out that supplies we were told were on their way had only just been requested and were still on a plane in Turkey. And if I remember rightly, they turned out not to be up to NHS standards anyway and had to be returned. Perhaps not surprising when the Health Secretary has been found to have broken the law in his handling of Covid contracts, and is still in his job for some reason. We're cool with that sort of thing these days, it seems. it's the EU fault but they just blame India for the ineptitude again How? Everything I'm reading says this is to do with a shortfall in India. The EU threat is a separate one which will compound the problem if they follow through on it. And while the EU does appear to be acting it a bit of a petty way, you can't stick two fingers up at them like we have and then be surprised to be at the back of the queue.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 18, 2021 10:01:26 GMT
India’s vaccine manufacturers meeting their own demand before supplying others, makes sense really. Would the same not be true of the EU then?
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Mar 18, 2021 10:23:17 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Mar 18, 2021 10:23:17 GMT
India’s vaccine manufacturers meeting their own demand before supplying others, makes sense really. Would the same not be true of the EU then? Yes probably Do you think then that countries with the capability to produce vaccines should vaccinate there own people before supplying countries who aren’t able to produce vaccines?
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Mar 18, 2021 10:33:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 10:33:19 GMT
There seems to be a few posters that are very defensive of the e u, yet can not praise our own vaccine roll out. Oxford vaccine is not for profit. Phizer costs silly money, are we sure it's just about who ordered what or something more sinister.it seems they don't want use Oxford vaccine but still want to keep it, rather odd.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 18, 2021 11:05:53 GMT
There seems to be a few posters that are very defensive of the e u, yet can not praise our own vaccine roll out. Oxford vaccine is not for profit. Phizer costs silly money, are we sure it's just about who ordered what or something more sinister.it seems they don't want use Oxford vaccine but still want to keep it, rather odd. I'm defensive of the EU not because I think they're particularly wonderful, but because far too often they're used as a scapegoat, and it's just a roundabout way of moaning about foreigners - something Brits are very good at. We're not even in the EU anymore and we're still bitching about them. It's just not an excuse anymore as far as I'm concerned. And yes, I suppose I do find it hard to praise our government. I hate them, basically.
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Mar 18, 2021 12:10:04 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2021 12:10:04 GMT
Yes, blaming the EU for the supply chain breakdown in India is a proper weird level of hatred.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 18, 2021 12:10:36 GMT
Would the same not be true of the EU then? Yes probably Do you think then that countries with the capability to produce vaccines should vaccinate there own people before supplying countries who aren’t able to produce vaccines? In a just and humane world people would be vaccinated globally based on risk profile, regardless of what country they live in. It is of course both absurd and dangerous that somebody like me, who has incredibly low risk of serious illness from coronavirus, will be vaccinated probably years before a pensioner with underlying health conditions in a country without the expertise or finance to produce or buy vaccines.
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Post by lincolnexile on Mar 18, 2021 12:35:46 GMT
Yes probably Do you think then that countries with the capability to produce vaccines should vaccinate there own people before supplying countries who aren’t able to produce vaccines? In a just and humane world people would be vaccinated globally based on risk profile, regardless of what country they live in. It is of course both absurd and dangerous that somebody like me, who has incredibly low risk of serious illness from coronavirus, will be vaccinated probably years before a pensioner with underlying health conditions in a country without the expertise or finance to produce or buy vaccines. That was always going to be the problem though wasn't it? Before we had a vaccine the attitude was we're all in it together, let's all pull together to beat this global epidemic, but now vaccines have been developed it's become a case of looking after number one, which has led to these arguments between various governments. I don't think that this has anything to do with political persuasion it's more to do with basic human nature.
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Mar 18, 2021 12:38:27 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2021 12:38:27 GMT
Yes probably Do you think then that countries with the capability to produce vaccines should vaccinate there own people before supplying countries who aren’t able to produce vaccines? In a just and humane world people would be vaccinated globally based on risk profile, regardless of what country they live in. It is of course both absurd and dangerous that somebody like me, who has incredibly low risk of serious illness from coronavirus, will be vaccinated probably years before a pensioner with underlying health conditions in a country without the expertise or finance to produce or buy vaccines. Spot on. The point I made a couple of months ago on here (which got shouted down by the usual suspects) about there still being 130 countries who have not been able to administer a single vaccine dose between them due to the hoarding of the richer nations, applies. The UN say that 75% of the total world vaccinations so far have been issued by just ten countries. In a global world it isn’t simply about fairness and evenness, this obviously poses a public health threat to those countries who have been able to afford mass vaccination as the virus still rages around the world. Every nation has a duty to promote fair and equitable distribution of vaccines, and make them accessible and affordable for developing countries, including those in conflict.
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Mar 18, 2021 12:53:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 12:53:34 GMT
Yes, blaming the EU for the supply chain breakdown in India is a proper weird level of hatred. who has blamed the e u for a problem in India?
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Post by Si on Mar 18, 2021 13:18:13 GMT
In a just and humane world people would be vaccinated globally based on risk profile, regardless of what country they live in. It is of course both absurd and dangerous that somebody like me, who has incredibly low risk of serious illness from coronavirus, will be vaccinated probably years before a pensioner with underlying health conditions in a country without the expertise or finance to produce or buy vaccines. Spot on. The point I made a couple of months ago on here (which got shouted down by the usual suspects) about there still being 130 countries who have not been able to administer a single vaccine dose between them due to the hoarding of the richer nations, applies. The UN say that 75% of the total world vaccinations so far have been issued by just ten countries. In a global world it isn’t simply about fairness and evenness, this obviously poses a public health threat to those countries who have been able to afford mass vaccination as the virus still rages around the world. Every nation has a duty to promote fair and equitable distribution of vaccines, and make them accessible and affordable for developing countries, including those in conflict. I know what you are saying, but that's just the way of the world and it isn't going to change anytime soon - the opportunities and influence in larger and more developed countries will always mean we're at the front of the queue for this sort of thing. I actually like the idea of us sorting ourselves out so then at least we can say Britain is more is less free of it, rather than us dragging our heels taking longer because we've had to hand over supplies to other countries. In this circumstance, I think it's absolutely correct that we get our own house in order. The longer it takes for us to defeat this then the more damage it will have on our economy and jobs, and consequently more people in poverty in our own country. The government are here to govern us, not the rest of the world, so lets get us sorted and then see whatever help we can give to others. Obviously it's in our interests to help other countries so that borders can be relaxed for foreign travel again, but before that's even considered we should finish our own vaccination programme asap. Just my opinion of course, and it probably depends where your moral compass lies, if that makes me a bit of a bastard then so be it!
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Mar 18, 2021 13:27:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 13:27:19 GMT
most of my family have had ist and 2nd doses me and the wife because of age.one daughter is a care worker.one has cancer the other ones husband also has cancer and grand daughter with type one.i would like to see a lot more people vaccinated before we give it away .but we are part of a group of countries who are already giving vaccine to poorer countries.the oxford vaccine is also not for profit not £ 18 a go as other vaccines are we as a country do our bit and have not stopped vaccines being exported as our friends across the channel have.
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Post by lincolnexile on Mar 18, 2021 13:44:32 GMT
Spot on. The point I made a couple of months ago on here (which got shouted down by the usual suspects) about there still being 130 countries who have not been able to administer a single vaccine dose between them due to the hoarding of the richer nations, applies. The UN say that 75% of the total world vaccinations so far have been issued by just ten countries. In a global world it isn’t simply about fairness and evenness, this obviously poses a public health threat to those countries who have been able to afford mass vaccination as the virus still rages around the world. Every nation has a duty to promote fair and equitable distribution of vaccines, and make them accessible and affordable for developing countries, including those in conflict. I know what you are saying, but that's just the way of the world and it isn't going to change anytime soon - the opportunities and influence in larger and more developed countries will always mean we're at the front of the queue for this sort of thing. I actually like the idea of us sorting ourselves out so then at least we can say Britain is more is less free of it, rather than us dragging our heels taking longer because we've had to hand over supplies to other countries. In this circumstance, I think it's absolutely correct that we get our own house in order. The longer it takes for us to defeat this then the more damage it will have on our economy and jobs, and consequently more people in poverty in our own country. The government are here to govern us, not the rest of the world, so lets get us sorted and then see whatever help we can give to others. Obviously it's in our interests to help other countries so that borders can be relaxed for foreign travel again, but before that's even considered we should finish our own vaccination programme asap. Just my opinion of course, and it probably depends where your moral compass lies, if that makes me a bit of a bastard then so be it! This doesn't just make you a bastard on this messageboard, I think it'll make you a Tory bastard .
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Post by Lobster on Mar 18, 2021 13:59:21 GMT
Yes, blaming the EU for the supply chain breakdown in India is a proper weird level of hatred. who has blamed the e u for a problem in India? Cityboy5705 did, look at the post at the top of this page.
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Post by delamereal on Mar 18, 2021 15:49:50 GMT
In a just and humane world people would be vaccinated globally based on risk profile, regardless of what country they live in. It is of course both absurd and dangerous that somebody like me, who has incredibly low risk of serious illness from coronavirus, will be vaccinated probably years before a pensioner with underlying health conditions in a country without the expertise or finance to produce or buy vaccines. Spot on. The point I made a couple of months ago on here (which got shouted down by the usual suspects) about there still being 130 countries who have not been able to administer a single vaccine dose between them due to the hoarding of the richer nations, applies. The UN say that 75% of the total world vaccinations so far have been issued by just ten countries. In a global world it isn’t simply about fairness and evenness, this obviously poses a public health threat to those countries who have been able to afford mass vaccination as the virus still rages around the world. Every nation has a duty to promote fair and equitable distribution of vaccines, and make them accessible and affordable for developing countries, including those in conflict. We aren't hoarding our vaccines we are using them to vaccinate people. Would you have refused your jabs so that someone in another country should have them? Try persuading other countries to distribute the vaccines that they have developed before they vaccinate their own population and see what response you get. I know it will kill you to say it but give the government credit for the vaccine rollout, it has been a tremendous success - 35% of the population given a 1st dose within 10 weeks.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Mar 19, 2021 13:11:41 GMT
The roll out of the vaccine has been a huge success story for the UK, in an otherwise shambolic handling of the pandemic by this Government. Some EU countries however have handled the pandemic better than us, but have been slow in their vaccination roll out. IMHO a lot of this is a smokescreen to mask the fact they are miles behind a country that's has been well publicised in being slow to lock down, too quick to ease, slow to lock down again etc etc. It the midst of absolute drivel there came a hero, a hero who would post something balanced and fair not giving into the mass hysteria. Truly exceptional.
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Mar 19, 2021 16:06:00 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 19, 2021 16:06:00 GMT
Changing the subject, has anyone used one of these self-testing kits? www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-testsA bit of a nerdy question, but why are they doing them in packs of seven? Unless you have one or seven people in your household, you're going to have at least one left over.
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Mar 19, 2021 16:35:22 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2021 16:35:22 GMT
Changing the subject, has anyone used one of these self-testing kits? www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-testsA bit of a nerdy question, but why are they doing them in packs of seven? Unless you have one or seven people in your household, you're going to have at least one left over. So they can say larger amounts of tests have been done than actually have been done to boost the figures. Piers Morgan hammered HanCOCK for this last year IIRC.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:01:28 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Mar 19, 2021 17:01:28 GMT
Changing the subject, has anyone used one of these self-testing kits? www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-testsA bit of a nerdy question, but why are they doing them in packs of seven? Unless you have one or seven people in your household, you're going to have at least one left over. Seven does seem like a strange number. You’d have thought an even number would make more sense.
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Mar 19, 2021 17:07:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 17:07:11 GMT
Changing the subject, has anyone used one of these self-testing kits? www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-testsA bit of a nerdy question, but why are they doing them in packs of seven? Unless you have one or seven people in your household, you're going to have at least one left over. So they can say larger amounts of tests have been done than actually have been done to boost the figures. Piers Morgan hammered HanCOCK for this last year IIRC. you must be well connected all this information you get.or could you just be making it up ?
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Mar 19, 2021 17:16:44 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2021 17:16:44 GMT
So they can say larger amounts of tests have been done than actually have been done to boost the figures. Piers Morgan hammered HanCOCK for this last year IIRC. you must be well connected all this information you get.or could you just be making it up ? No, I just watch GMB now and again. Government admitted they were counting in the figures the number of tests sent out rather than actually used; therefore it’s reasonable to suggest they sending seven in a pack is part of that - enough to boost the figures without being silly and sending out 20 or 30 per household.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 19, 2021 17:17:01 GMT
Changing the subject, has anyone used one of these self-testing kits? www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-testsA bit of a nerdy question, but why are they doing them in packs of seven? Unless you have one or seven people in your household, you're going to have at least one left over. So they can say larger amounts of tests have been done than actually have been done to boost the figures. Piers Morgan hammered HanCOCK for this last year IIRC. Wouldn't surprise me. It's a well-known marketing strategy to sell things in prime numbers like 5 and 7 so that people end up buying two to go around their family. Not surprising with chocolate bars and sausages but it shouldn't apply to medical supplies!
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Mar 19, 2021 17:24:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 17:24:38 GMT
could be something as simple as one spare in case of spoils .
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Mar 19, 2021 17:57:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2021 17:57:32 GMT
Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 18:13:15 GMT
1.4 million tests reported today.lol
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Mar 19, 2021 18:16:47 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2021 18:16:47 GMT
1.4 million tests reported today.lol Lobster had seven of them himself.
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Post by delamereal on Mar 19, 2021 18:21:01 GMT
So they can say larger amounts of tests have been done than actually have been done to boost the figures. Piers Morgan hammered HanCOCK for this last year IIRC. Wouldn't surprise me. It's a well-known marketing strategy to sell things in prime numbers like 5 and 7 so that people end up buying two to go around their family. Not surprising with chocolate bars and sausages but it shouldn't apply to medical supplies! If you'd correctly read the link you've quoted you would have seen that it says they are free.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2021 18:30:37 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me. It's a well-known marketing strategy to sell things in prime numbers like 5 and 7 so that people end up buying two to go around their family. Not surprising with chocolate bars and sausages but it shouldn't apply to medical supplies! If you'd correctly read the link you've quoted you would have seen that it says they are free. I’m sure he knows they are free but was making a comparison; maybe you should’ve read his post that you’ve quoted.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 19, 2021 18:30:38 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me. It's a well-known marketing strategy to sell things in prime numbers like 5 and 7 so that people end up buying two to go around their family. Not surprising with chocolate bars and sausages but it shouldn't apply to medical supplies! If you'd correctly read the link you've quoted you would have seen that it says they are free. I know they're free to the public, thank you, I've got one. Although they're not really free are they if they cost us £37bn or whatever, which is what made me question the reason behind sending them out in packs of seven.
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