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Post by eddieshead on Jun 22, 2020 19:19:45 GMT
Does anybody know if the players are in training getting ready for the play offs just in case we do play
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jun 22, 2020 23:24:18 GMT
At least one positive to come out of this is that Elton Ngwatala has gone back to France. I saw absolutely nothing in him, as a player. Surely, one of our youngsters would have been a better bet for the bench.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 0:17:05 GMT
At least one positive to come out of this is that Elton Ngwatala has gone back to France. I saw absolutely nothing in him, as a player. Surely, one of our youngsters would have been a better bet for the bench. Strange one, he's very highly rated at some of his previous clubs and played very well against us a while back, never clicked with us and could of been a very useful utility player given he can play in a number of roles. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, wish him all the best in whatever he goes on to do. I Think next year we will all get our wishes of seeing more youth players come through, lets hope we all give them time to settle in and don't judge them on a few performances.
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Jun 23, 2020 7:09:52 GMT
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Post by tonya on Jun 23, 2020 7:09:52 GMT
Not sure if its a sensible comparison but would the cost of entering and failing in the play offs be greater than the costs incurred should we start badly next season and experience fall off in crowds and revenue? It really does once more remind us of the enormous gulf between the top leagues and us. For 1\5th of a Premierships weekly wage we could afford to play in the play offs. When is a decision required?
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Jun 23, 2020 12:54:35 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jun 23, 2020 12:54:35 GMT
I would love to see us compete in the playoffs, but only if it doesnt make a massive hole, in next seasons budget. Happy with whatever the Board decide.
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Post by onetrevorstorton on Jun 23, 2020 18:36:10 GMT
I would be surprised and extremely disappointed if the club does not take part in the play offs, not only for the integrity of the competition but also our standing in the football community. Whilst I understand that there has been no income from home games over the last few months, there has also been a lot less out goings than a normal close season with the JRS paying for the vast majority of staff and players as well as the club claiming LA business grants (25k from Flintshire Council) and agreeing payment holidays with other companies. From what I can see the only extra cost to a "normal" play off season is the Covid-19 test cost which is offset by no longer having the highest paid player on our books. We don't need to bring the whole squad off furlough and, indeed, we can put them back on once we have completed the playoffs at whichever round that may be. Very well put and I fully agree , Our standing with sponsors and within football would be dented as well as a disappointed fan base , what was the point of this season if not . The costs do seem very inflated that are being banded about .
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Jun 23, 2020 18:43:01 GMT
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Post by tonya on Jun 23, 2020 18:43:01 GMT
At least one positive to come out of this is that Elton Ngwatala has gone back to France. I saw absolutely nothing in him, as a player. Surely, one of our youngsters would have been a better bet for the bench. France is a beautiful country so he has done well to go back there.
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Post by avfo on Jun 23, 2020 20:07:51 GMT
Bath City -
Club Chairman, Nick Blofeld, was in excited mood after the meeting. “It’s been a tremendous achievement for our team to finish fourth in the league and have a home tie in the newly re-organised play-offs. Of course this is a financial as well as playing challenge and we’re going to be asking supporters to help fund the £35,000 projected extra costs of participating. We have a fantastic chance of going for promotion but, as a responsible Club, we don’t want to spend next season’s money funding it when next season promises to be challenging whatever division we’re in. So look out for our announcements and get ready to help us compete over the next month at the same time as being fit and well for what’s yet to come.”
The £35,000 is, I understand, based on detailed costings of testing,wages and other ancillary costs.
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Jun 23, 2020 21:57:10 GMT
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Post by The Swansway on Jun 23, 2020 21:57:10 GMT
When will the decision about the play offs be announced?
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Jun 23, 2020 22:32:04 GMT
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Post by thestanchion on Jun 23, 2020 22:32:04 GMT
In what circumstances would we have to host a game?
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Post by avfo on Jun 23, 2020 22:43:34 GMT
In what circumstances would we have to host a game? In the playoffs? non, however costs of hosting matches will be shared equally by both participating clubs.
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Jun 23, 2020 22:44:44 GMT
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Post by banksy on Jun 23, 2020 22:44:44 GMT
In what circumstances would we have to host a game? If ourselves and Gateshead were to make our way through to the Final. As the higher placed team, we would host them at the Deva. That's the only way we would end up hosting a game in the play offs. Jeff
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Jun 23, 2020 22:47:40 GMT
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Post by thestanchion on Jun 23, 2020 22:47:40 GMT
Thanks. Long odds on that one Jeff.
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Jun 23, 2020 23:16:37 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 23, 2020 23:16:37 GMT
But if the cost of staging each game is split between the clubs involved then it matters little.
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Jun 23, 2020 23:30:06 GMT
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Post by scotty on Jun 23, 2020 23:30:06 GMT
According to the Internet, Bath have debts of £1 million payable in 2 years and are currently losing 100K per year. Their prudence is understandable but I would imagine that they will still take part.
If the 35K is accurate, then our costs would be very similar. I have no idea what the detailed figures are for us, but we could end up with a straightforward choice:
1. ENTER PLAYOFFS: 35K for playoffs + 350K budget for next season + chance of promotion
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2. WITHDRAW FROM PLAYOFFS: 385K budget for next season + no chance of promotion + reputational harm of being the only team to withdraw from playoffs.
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Jun 23, 2020 23:48:46 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jun 23, 2020 23:48:46 GMT
According to the Internet, Bath have debts of £1 million payable in 2 years and are currently losing 100K per year. Their prudence is understandable but I would imagine that they will still take part. If the 35K is accurate, then our costs would be very similar. I have no idea what the detailed figures are for us, but we could end up with a straightforward choice: 1. ENTER PLAYOFFS: 35K for playoffs + 350K budget for next season + chance of promotion OR 2. WITHDRAW FROM PLAYOFFS: 385K budget for next season + no chance of promotion + reputational harm of being the only team to withdraw from playoffs. For Bath to take part in the play offs in the circumstances you’ve described is absolute insanity. You’re also labouring under the misapprehension that the cost of play offs would come from next season’s budget, which I would like to think would be ring fenced regardless. I would not want us spending next seasons money on the unlikely situation we can win three away games to go up and then probably come straight back down.
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Jun 24, 2020 0:11:05 GMT
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Post by scotty on Jun 24, 2020 0:11:05 GMT
You’re also labouring under the misapprehension that the cost of play offs would come from next season's budget I'm assuming that if we do not spend the money now, it will be available for next season. Seems a reasonable assumption to me.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 24, 2020 8:29:50 GMT
Thanks. Long odds on that one Jeff. Maybe so but I would assume that money will have to be spent on getting the Deva ready for such an eventuality. This will not be able to be done quickly so I assume money has to be spent upfront for something that is long odds to happen ? We are in a tricky position with this. Four clubs know they will have to host a home game. Gateshead know they will not have to. We might have to if we take part.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 24, 2020 8:37:16 GMT
You’re also labouring under the misapprehension that the cost of play offs would come from next season's budget I'm assuming that if we do not spend the money now, it will be available for next season. Seems a reasonable assumption to me. The reverse is also true. If the club spends its money now it will not be available for anything next season or at any time in the future. If the club has to pay I would agree with Malcolm Tucker. The money would come from reserves if there was no specific fund raiser. That makes cash flow more of a problem going forward. Cash flow was our major problem in January 2018.
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Post by henry on Jun 24, 2020 9:28:07 GMT
It was not long ago since the pitch was being prepared for next season and if the young grass is not given a chance to fully grow it could leave a very poor surface and more expense
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Post by dc2cfc on Jun 24, 2020 9:58:23 GMT
I think the only viable way of playing the play offs is to say anything raised over £100k can be put a side for the cost of the play offs, but also if it was possible have the game streamed for £10 a match.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jun 24, 2020 10:43:11 GMT
In what circumstances would we have to host a game? If ourselves and Gateshead were to make our way through to the Final. As the higher placed team, we would host them at the Deva. That's the only way we would end up hosting a game in the play offs. Jeff What happens if Brackley decide not to participate in the play offs? Does everyone move up a place and Spennymoor come in? If so, we could be at home to Gateshead first.
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Post by gezzer on Jun 24, 2020 13:45:29 GMT
If ourselves and Gateshead were to make our way through to the Final. As the higher placed team, we would host them at the Deva. That's the only way we would end up hosting a game in the play offs. Jeff What happens if Brackley decide not to participate in the play offs? Does everyone move up a place and Spennymoor come in? If so, we could be at home to Gateshead first. My understanding from last Fridays meeting is in the event of 5 teams agreeing to play offs that the lowest 2 sides play each other with the winner going into the Semis with the other 3 teams. 4 teams agree - straight into semis. Less than 4 teams = no play offs
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Post by agl on Jun 24, 2020 14:03:40 GMT
What happens if Brackley decide not to participate in the play offs? Does everyone move up a place and Spennymoor come in? If so, we could be at home to Gateshead first. My understanding from last Fridays meeting is in the event of 5 teams agreeing to play offs that the lowest 2 sides play each other with the winner going into the Semis with the other 3 teams. 4 teams agree - straight into semis. Less than 4 teams = no play offs In that case I have a cunning plan...us and three other teams tell York we can't afford it. They pay for all of us. 😁
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Post by rcb on Jun 24, 2020 14:22:31 GMT
Quite unbelievable that any club should have to pay more for having a relatively successful season. Any other sport there is an entry fee for all, regardless of how far you progress in the competition. As a supposed “football family” you would think the money would come from the top. I would hazard a guess Kyle Walker spends more on prostitutes in a week than what it will cost us to participate in the playoffs.
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Post by sealandender1 on Jun 24, 2020 14:35:55 GMT
Quite unbelievable that any club should have to pay more for having a relatively successful season. Any other sport there is an entry fee for all, regardless of how far you progress in the competition. As a supposed “football family” you would think the money would come from the top. I would hazard a guess Kyle Walker spends more on prostitutes in a week than what it will cost us to participate in the playoffs. There is also that robbing German at Arsenal who CBA putting on a shirt; he’s onlay on £380,000 per week!!!
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 24, 2020 14:44:55 GMT
Quite unbelievable that any club should have to pay more for having a relatively successful season. Any other sport there is an entry fee for all, regardless of how far you progress in the competition. As a supposed “football family” you would think the money would come from the top. I would hazard a guess Kyle Walker spends more on prostitutes in a week than what it will cost us to participate in the playoffs. Indeed it is. The National League have hung the 12 NLN and NLS clubs out to dry and put pressure on them to do things the majority can not afford to do in the process. The National League is run in the most shambolic way imaginable regardless of the problems caused by Covid 19 which has highlighted their shortcomings.
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Jun 24, 2020 14:57:35 GMT
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Post by scotty on Jun 24, 2020 14:57:35 GMT
Quite unbelievable that any club should have to pay more for having a relatively successful season. Any other sport there is an entry fee for all, regardless of how far you progress in the competition. Good point. What will they do next year? Get the champions to pay for their own trophy?
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Post by Harry Lime on Jun 25, 2020 7:07:47 GMT
What happens if Brackley decide not to participate in the play offs? Does everyone move up a place and Spennymoor come in? If so, we could be at home to Gateshead first. My understanding from last Fridays meeting is in the event of 5 teams agreeing to play offs that the lowest 2 sides play each other with the winner going into the Semis with the other 3 teams. 4 teams agree - straight into semis. Less than 4 teams = no play offs In that case we could host Gateshead in the first playoff game, with the winner then away at York.
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Post by MMc on Jun 25, 2020 8:16:05 GMT
My understanding from last Fridays meeting is in the event of 5 teams agreeing to play offs that the lowest 2 sides play each other with the winner going into the Semis with the other 3 teams. 4 teams agree - straight into semis. Less than 4 teams = no play offs In that case we could host Gateshead in the first playoff game, with the winner then away at York. All the other 5 teams have confirmed they are participating. They're waiting on us now. So our 1st game would definitely be Altrincham away, followed by York away
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