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Post by Jack on Apr 14, 2017 17:29:36 GMT
Jesus, you must be a wind-up merchant! Did Jon McCarthy and Mark Maguire meet late one night in a quiet, disused car-park on the edge of town? To hatch their genius agenda of taking us down, which if successful, will cost them both their jobs? Seriously, what ON EARTH are you talking about? Beyond ridiculous. For what it is worth, JM's interviews become more and more concerning with each game. His sense of reality does seem to be a little squiffed at the minute and some of his language does create an 'us and them' mentality between the players and the crowd. I don't think he has managed that rapport with the crowd all season and at this level it counts. I'd argue that Burr's strongest point was unifying the crowd and getting the place bouncing, which we've just not seen from Jon. Good points apart from the ones about Burr. If you remember Burr had us in exactly the same position last year and was talking equal amounts of rubbish. Yes, I agree entirely that Burr had lost the plot completely and had to go when he did. My point is, during his first season and a half, he generally got the crowd on side. Made sure he referenced our great support and the atmosphere at the Deva etc and it definitely gained him goodwill from the crowd. We've never really had that from McCarthy. Even during the good run earlier this season, we've struggled to get crowds and I just don't think Macca was a glamorous enough personality/appointment for a lot of people. I do like Jon, but watching his interviews, there is certainly a disparaging tone creeping in when talking about our supporters. I think he needs tread a bit more carefully.
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Post by paulie on Apr 14, 2017 17:30:34 GMT
Who on earth gives the Tracy wainwrights and mark maguires of this world jobs? ? Chester fc! Only us thick enough to and also give that imbecile McCarthy a 2 and half year contract. I hope McCarthy is given a hostile reception on Monday.
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Post by billyw on Apr 14, 2017 17:33:10 GMT
We were never 17 unbeaten, our longest unbeaten run has been 9 games this season!! We lost once in 17 I believe which is a decent run whether you like it or not. Truth is, even if we were playing well not many teams go to FGR and get a result. So us in such bad form there was only one result likely today. We need one win to make sure but I'd expect even if we lost all 3 we would stay up thankfully. Played well against Lincoln but very poor today. Onto Monday where we really do need a result, for the fans. In fairness, no-one really expected a result against Lincoln or FGR but how many feel we are capable of getting a result against Woking or Sutton and Boreham Wood - not many I suspect.
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Post by billyw on Apr 14, 2017 17:35:40 GMT
Who on earth gives the Tracy wainwrights and mark maguires of this world jobs? ? Chester fc! Only us thick enough to and also give that imbecile McCarthy a 2 and half year contract. I hope McCarthy is given a hostile reception on Monday. he said only 4 people out of 1600 booed him at the end of the last match - I don't think he will be as lucky on Monday.
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Post by whopper1 on Apr 14, 2017 17:37:23 GMT
Chester fc! Only us thick enough to and also give that imbecile McCarthy a 2 and half year contract. I hope McCarthy is given a hostile reception on Monday. he said only 4 people out of 1600 booed him at the end of the last match - I don't think he will be as lucky on Monday. that's because everyone had buggered off before the end
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Post by muppet on Apr 14, 2017 18:29:20 GMT
very poor he could not be bothered to come and applaud the fans after the game
soon as i seen the team i thought we could come away with a point and make a good go at it but nah 3-5-2 and on the backfoot for very long periods
lynch made some decent saves again astles and hughes had a decent game and durrell done ok
in all honestly if it was not for the post + bar plus lynch durrell and astles we could of been tonked 7 or 8 nil
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Post by Jovial Forester on Apr 14, 2017 18:46:17 GMT
Honestly didn't think you were that bad. We flew out of the blocks but you steadied yourselves and did in fact get forward, just lacked the final ball. I wasn't comfortable until we got our second. We're a much changed side from any you'll have seen but they've started to come together and most of the shots you did allow were down to good play from us rather than poor by you. Decent turn out too given the way things are running.
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Post by Anders on Apr 14, 2017 18:49:45 GMT
Thought beforehand he'd go in to this with the intention of just a small defeat, suppose that's what we got. Should have been more though.
Durrell was our best out there and Lynch made some saves. Dawson wasn't bad either for me. Good to see Akintunde back.
Haven't really got the energy to moan, we're just a sorry sight.
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Post by bb93 on Apr 14, 2017 20:46:17 GMT
Thought we did ok today in terms of sticking to a clear game plan. Yes we definitely rode our luck however with a little better final ball we could have been in 3 or 4 times. I thought Durrell was excellent as was Akintunde when he came on.
At the end of the day Forest Green are a better side than us and it showed but we weren't disgraced.
We're a decent midtable team at this level not bad enough to go down and not good enough to challenge for the playoffs. My worry is I don't know how we bridge that gap
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Post by sirfred on Apr 14, 2017 20:51:22 GMT
Midtable ? We are not midtable and probably will finish bottom six
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Post by Tony on Apr 14, 2017 20:54:52 GMT
Not as suicidal as most after this. FGR weren't v good and perhaps if we had gone for it from the start, as we were positive in last 15 mins. we could have got something. On player front I don't have any issues individually. The one who really stood out was Durrell. Always does on rare occasions that I watch us. Low centre of gravity, good feet, strong and relentless in his commitment. I liked the way he and Hughes argued for about 3 mins. Not sure what the issue was but showed they were concerned and up for it. Don't think fans need to be so despondent. We won't go down. Manager is committed and has kept us up. Another goalscorer along with Alabi and we will be top 6 next season.
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Post by Blue4ever on Apr 14, 2017 20:57:15 GMT
Not as suicidal as most after this. FGR weren't v good and perhaps if we had gone for it from the start, as we were positive in last 15 mins. we could have got something. On player front I don't have any issues individually. The one who really stood out was Durrell. Always does on rare occasions that I watch us. Low centre of gravity, good feet, strong and relentless in his commitment. I liked the way he and Hughes argued for about 3 mins. Not sure what the issue was but showed they were concerned and up for it. Don't think fans need to be so despondent. We won't go down. Manager is committed and has kept us up. Another goalscorer along with Alabi and we will be top 6 next season. Shut up top 6, don't make me laugh. In the last 20 league games we have taken 17 points, only Southport have a worse points tally. This manager will take this team down.
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Post by whopper1 on Apr 14, 2017 20:59:34 GMT
Not as suicidal as most after this. FGR weren't v good and perhaps if we had gone for it from the start, as we were positive in last 15 mins. we could have got something. On player front I don't have any issues individually. The one who really stood out was Durrell. Always does on rare occasions that I watch us. Low centre of gravity, good feet, strong and relentless in his commitment. I liked the way he and Hughes argued for about 3 mins. Not sure what the issue was but showed they were concerned and up for it. Don't think fans need to be so despondent. We won't go down. Manager is committed and has kept us up. Another goalscorer along with Alabi and we will be top 6 next season. top six? I should hope so if we go down, bottom six if we stay up
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Post by Tony on Apr 14, 2017 21:08:55 GMT
Self fulfilling prophesies can happen. I prefer the positive one. By all means castigate the manager and team but most people respond better to positivity. Hopefully if they read this stuff they don't take it to heart.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 14, 2017 21:11:24 GMT
Just got home an hour ago and I'm just so disappointed. With 4 teams below us on 48 points, I'm afraid we are in it. Our game Vs Woking on Monday is probably the biggest of the season, it is VITAL we win it. Maybe we are on 52 points, but it doesn't seem enough right now. For the game itself we did well to stick to the game plan. The wind was tough in the first half which lead to Forest Green playing good football. Durrell was our best player today. He committed well and his feet were magic. Hughes was solid as always and Lynch made a couple of good saves. Is it just me or does James Alabi look injured? The last few games he hasn't been into it enough and he isn't running onto long balls as much. Maybe he played because Richards was out. On a bright note, it was great to see Akintunde back. He looked very energetic and Davies looks like he could earn a contract. Before I dip into the negatives, i must mention the Forest Green fans. Maybe they are the Man City of our league, but they are a lovely bunch. Me and my dad really enjoyed chatting to a few of them and they even offered us a table. They also asked how the journey was etc. We could do with a few more kind fans like Forest Green.
Sadly we are sleep walking to a relegation battle. Our squad doesn't look fit enough and most of the teams below us are winning matches whilst we keep losing. Woking will be fighting for their lives on Monday and so will others, but our manager still goes on that we have achieved our targets. York, Braintree, Woking and Solihull are on 48, us on 52. If they keep on picking up results we are in massive trouble. How can we go from play-off contenders to staring at relegation? Goodness knows. I think we'll stay up, as our GD is -2 whereas the rest have -14, but if we want to stay up, we ALL have to back our team.
Finally, it's sad to see a local team in Southport drop down today. I hope they come back up, but they won't find it easy. Hopefully it won't be us joining them, keep the faith!
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Post by sqzl on Apr 14, 2017 21:15:30 GMT
Not as suicidal as most after this. FGR weren't v good and perhaps if we had gone for it from the start, as we were positive in last 15 mins. we could have got something. On player front I don't have any issues individually. The one who really stood out was Durrell. Always does on rare occasions that I watch us. Low centre of gravity, good feet, strong and relentless in his commitment. I liked the way he and Hughes argued for about 3 mins. Not sure what the issue was but showed they were concerned and up for it. Don't think fans need to be so despondent. We won't go down. Manager is committed and has kept us up. Another goalscorer along with Alabi and we will be top 6 next season. top six? I should hope so if we go down, bottom six if we stay up I'm a big fan of Alabi Tony, but he has been terrible the last 5-6 games now. I said after Lincoln he looked like he was carrying a knock, today just confirmed my fears. Akintundes return may be vital. He should start Monday.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 14, 2017 21:18:53 GMT
That interview is shocking a disrespectful to the fans. I was a fan of McCarthy but that interview is indefensible! I like McCarthy as a person but he didn't even applaud us at the end and he hugged Elliott Durrell instead.
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 14, 2017 21:19:44 GMT
It's not about the last two games, no one expected us to get anything from Lincoln and Forest Green, surely? It's about the average of less than a point a game since Decemeber, under this changed management team. What is he going to live off the back of next season when the purple patch is history? Perhaps he will still live off the back of it, or invent another fantasy that only him and those behind the scenes at the football club buy into.
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Post by whopper1 on Apr 14, 2017 21:21:21 GMT
He shud of hugged u rio,u did well going there today, did u enjoy ur veggie burger
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 14, 2017 21:27:34 GMT
He shud of hugged u rio,u did well going there today, did u enjoy ur veggie burger That was probably one of the only positives.
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Post by southernblue on Apr 14, 2017 21:33:33 GMT
I thought we were actually well set up today overall to counter FGR building from the back, matching their formation, and having Durrell and Alabi wide broke down a lot of their attacks before they began. We were vulnerable allowing them to intrude through the middle. Elliott Durrell ran his heart out, created a lot, much better up front than Richards. We kept giving possession away far too cheaply in the final third which is why our first shot didn't come until the 88th minute when Durrell was a whisker over. Lynch made a wonderful save early doors as well as closing out a couple of dangerous one on ones. I think tactically, it wasn't bad, and the lads put in a shift, we were simply outclassed by an expensive group of players.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Apr 14, 2017 21:40:46 GMT
I'll stick to positives. Elliot Durrell superb display. Full of skill and commitment. Well done that man!
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Post by steveo1 on Apr 14, 2017 21:42:52 GMT
It's not about the last two games, no one expected us to get anything from Lincoln and Forest Green, surely? It's about the average of less than a point a game since Decemeber, under this changed management team. What is he going to live off the back of next season when the purple patch is history? Perhaps he will still live off the back of it, or invent another fantasy that only him and those behind the scenes at the football club buy into. Spot on, no one expected results from the last two games but what about York and Eastleigh at home, poor opposition we literally rolled over against, as well as the other games we have jibbed off since Christmas like Solihull, Maidstone, etc. Mccarthy is banging on about how good we was between September and November and how the lads deserve contracts, bit tiresome that now considering we have 3 games to go and we won 4 in 20 games. I don't see Leicester saying we won the league last year so don't slag us off everyone.
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Post by Anders on Apr 14, 2017 21:51:52 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that it now appears Tom Shaw doesn't start if Iwelumo isn't there, like today? So he can stand with McCarthy assuming that role. Big miss.
The games are coming thick and fast so maybe he's struggling for all of them but it's happened three times recently.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 14, 2017 22:30:41 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that it now appears Tom Shaw doesn't start if Iwelumo isn't there, like today? So he can stand with McCarthy assuming that role. Big miss. The games are coming thick and fast so maybe he's struggling for all of them but it's happened three times recently. Yes, I've noticed this. It means that Iwelumo's position as assistant manager goes beyond being ineffective and actually becomes detrimental if we have to take our most combative and experienced midfielder out of the team to compensate for his absence. Whatever happens over the next couple of weeks, this situation must be addressed in the summer. It's not Chris's fault the club have given him a job he can't fully commit to, but the situation is unacceptable. Macca's choice of Iwelumo as assistant was possibly the first and most significant of several errors of judgment he's made since December.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 22:43:36 GMT
It really does beg the question - who on earth sanctioned this
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 14, 2017 22:45:52 GMT
FGR are a tinpot club with a rich owner. We shouldn't judge ourselves by results against the likes of them. They'll go bust eventually.
Monday's result is far more significant. We need to see a marked improvement and some shred of evidence that this manager and these players are good enough for next season.
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Post by archwhopper on Apr 14, 2017 22:57:44 GMT
it wont happen, sorry bambi, the whole club just feel flat,seems like we've reached the peak and were on the way back down
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Post by Lobster on Apr 14, 2017 22:58:26 GMT
Sheer effort kept the score down today. Some courageous last ditch blocks and tackles, and a few quality saves from Lynch, but that was a long 90 minutes! Literally within the first minute FGR hit the post and had a shot blocked on (possibly over?) the line, and that pretty much set the tone.
I wish we'd just play a back four of Hunt, Hughes, Astles and Vassell. All four started today, but not as a back four, and Theo looked understandably awkward playing as the leftmost of three centre halves. I feel sorry for Joyce - an honest, hardworking player but sadly out of his depth, and Alabi looks injured or exhausted. For all people go on about Joyce, Richards, Hudson etc, the one player I'll really groan over if he's still here next season is Luke George. He does so little. I could forgive the fact that he's always injured and getting himself into stupid disciplinary problems if he did something on the pitch now and again other than watch the ball get knocked about a make a hash of five-yard passes. For me, the club have shown him more patience and support than he deserves and I don't see any argument at all in favour of renewing his contract.
Positives were a good showing from Durrell up front, Hughes continuing to look a player who can go on to big things, Lynch making some good saves and having no chance with the goals, and the general hard work levels of the team even though they seem to be running on empty.
It's easy to criticise the decision to give Macca a contract extension, but few did at the time. I have to admit that though the situation with McCarthy is starting to remind me of that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns says words to the effect of "I'm beginning to think Homer Simpson is not quite the genius we once thought he was" while Homer spins around on the floor making whooping noises. I like the guy and want him to do well, but there's no doubt that he's managed the second half of the season poorly, and I don't like the way he's talking in the media. He seems to be implying today that the team were booed off, which wasn't true at all. There were one or two dissenting voices at the end, but a good number stayed to applaud the team's efforts - a gesture not returned by the manager.
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Post by Anders on Apr 15, 2017 0:29:01 GMT
Sheer effort kept the score down today. Some courageous last ditch blocks and tackles, and a few quality saves from Lynch, but that was a long 90 minutes! Literally within the first minute FGR hit the post and had a shot blocked on (possibly over?) the line, and that pretty much set the tone. I wish we'd just play a back four of Hunt, Hughes, Astles and Vassell. All four started today, but not as a back four, and Theo looked understandably awkward playing as the leftmost of three centre halves. I feel sorry for Joyce - an honest, hardworking player but sadly out of his depth, and Alabi looks injured or exhausted. For all people go on about Joyce, Richards, Hudson etc, the one player I'll really groan over if he's still here next season is Luke George. He does so little. I could forgive the fact that he's always injured and getting himself into stupid disciplinary problems if he did something on the pitch now and again other than watch the ball get knocked about a make a hash of five-yard passes. For me, the club have shown him more patience and support than he deserves and I don't see any argument at all in favour of renewing his contract. Positives were a good showing from Durrell up front, Hughes continuing to look a player who can go on to big things, Lynch making some good saves and having no chance with the goals, and the general hard work levels of the team even though they seem to be running on empty. It's easy to criticise the decision to give Macca a contract extension, but few did at the time. I have to admit that though the situation with McCarthy is starting to remind me of that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns says words to the effect of "I'm beginning to think Homer Simpson is not quite the genius we once thought he was" while Homer spins around on the floor making whooping noises. I like the guy and want him to do well, but there's no doubt that he's managed the second half of the season poorly, and I don't like the way he's talking in the media. He seems to be implying today that the team were booed off, which wasn't true at all. There were one or two dissenting voices at the end, but a good number stayed to applaud the team's efforts - a gesture not returned by the manager. I don’t think the players are receiving much criticism to be honest, it’s mostly aimed towards McCarthy but he seems pretty oblivious to it and bats any questions away from the media. I actually feel sorry for the players because I really feel they’ve been poorly managed for months. I’ll single one player out in young Matty Waters. I mentioned in my piece for the Chron this week that I was staggered that Macca came out and publically said he’d been dropped for weeks/a month because he gave a penalty away at Dover. Anyone who was at this game will know that Roberts threw the ball straight at Ricky Miller (best player in the league) bearing down on goal, and Waters (played out of position) tracked back and ended up tripping him up. What are you expecting in that situation though? How on earth can you punish the lad for like a month or more because of that!? Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. Today we had our best back four all playing but not together, Vassell looked awkward out of position, so did Joyce, so did Davies and so did Hunt. It’s been this way for months. I know we have injuries but there has to be a better way of handling them than this. I try and stay positive as much as I can but I’m sorry this really is a mess, we look an absolute shambles.
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