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Oct 25, 2020 15:18:18 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Oct 25, 2020 15:18:18 GMT
Let’s face it a lot of people on here still remember when the old Deva Chat was going strong. Eventually the forum died an agonizing death due to a mixture of over moderation and poisonous arguments causing a ridiculous number of bans, account suspensions, etc...
It can’t be denied, however, that the old forum was a serious cog in the reformation of the club and its progression back through the leagues. Since then the old and new forum have been at the forefront of fund raising initiatives, when the official website has been worse than useless, although to be fair the website is now a much better source of information.
Do we really want this forum to go the same way as the old one? Si has again had to lock another thread because of petty arguments. I know the point of message boards is to allow healthy debate but what’s healthy about resorting to personal insults just because someone doesn’t agree with your point of view.
I know it’s asking a lot but why don’t we all just have a look at the list of regular posters on this forum and block the people we really don’t like then hopefully we can all live in peaceful harmony.
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 15:30:13 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 25, 2020 15:30:13 GMT
Let’s face it a lot of people on here still remember when the old Deva Chat was going strong. Eventually the forum died an agonizing death due to a mixture of over moderation and poisonous arguments causing a ridiculous number of bans, account suspensions, etc... It can’t be denied, however, that the old forum was a serious cog in the reformation of the club and its progression back through the leagues. Since then the old and new forum have been at the forefront of fund raising initiatives, when the official website has been worse than useless, although to be fair the website is now a much better source of information. Do we really want this forum to go the same way as the old one? Si has again had to lock another thread because of petty arguments. I know the point of message boards is to allow healthy debate but what’s healthy about resorting to personal insults just because someone doesn’t agree with your point of view. I know it’s asking a lot but why don’t we all just have a look at the list of regular posters on this forum and block the people we really don’t like then hopefully we can all live in peaceful harmony. Locking threads isn't the answer, and this thread won't last very long before it gets moved to off-topic where it will not be noticed. It seems the mods want to shove the problems under the carpet instead of dealing with them.
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 15:50:09 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 15:50:09 GMT
Let’s face it a lot of people on here still remember when the old Deva Chat was going strong. Eventually the forum died an agonizing death due to a mixture of over moderation and poisonous arguments causing a ridiculous number of bans, account suspensions, etc... It can’t be denied, however, that the old forum was a serious cog in the reformation of the club and its progression back through the leagues. Since then the old and new forum have been at the forefront of fund raising initiatives, when the official website has been worse than useless, although to be fair the website is now a much better source of information. Do we really want this forum to go the same way as the old one? Si has again had to lock another thread because of petty arguments. I know the point of message boards is to allow healthy debate but what’s healthy about resorting to personal insults just because someone doesn’t agree with your point of view. I know it’s asking a lot but why don’t we all just have a look at the list of regular posters on this forum and block the people we really don’t like then hopefully we can all live in peaceful harmony. Totally agree, it’s the same people pouncing on any football-related criticism and spoiling threads. I think I’ll take your advice and start updating my block list!
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 16:00:07 GMT
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Post by cfc1885 on Oct 25, 2020 16:00:07 GMT
Let’s face it a lot of people on here still remember when the old Deva Chat was going strong. Eventually the forum died an agonizing death due to a mixture of over moderation and poisonous arguments causing a ridiculous number of bans, account suspensions, etc... It can’t be denied, however, that the old forum was a serious cog in the reformation of the club and its progression back through the leagues. Since then the old and new forum have been at the forefront of fund raising initiatives, when the official website has been worse than useless, although to be fair the website is now a much better source of information. Do we really want this forum to go the same way as the old one? Si has again had to lock another thread because of petty arguments. I know the point of message boards is to allow healthy debate but what’s healthy about resorting to personal insults just because someone doesn’t agree with your point of view. I know it’s asking a lot but why don’t we all just have a look at the list of regular posters on this forum and block the people we really don’t like then hopefully we can all live in peaceful harmony. Totally agree, it’s the same people pouncing on any football-related criticism and spoiling threads. I think I’ll take your advice and start updating my block list! or people like you who bring politics into everything
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 16:17:33 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Oct 25, 2020 16:17:33 GMT
Let’s face it a lot of people on here still remember when the old Deva Chat was going strong. Eventually the forum died an agonizing death due to a mixture of over moderation and poisonous arguments causing a ridiculous number of bans, account suspensions, etc... It can’t be denied, however, that the old forum was a serious cog in the reformation of the club and its progression back through the leagues. Since then the old and new forum have been at the forefront of fund raising initiatives, when the official website has been worse than useless, although to be fair the website is now a much better source of information. Do we really want this forum to go the same way as the old one? Si has again had to lock another thread because of petty arguments. I know the point of message boards is to allow healthy debate but what’s healthy about resorting to personal insults just because someone doesn’t agree with your point of view. I know it’s asking a lot but why don’t we all just have a look at the list of regular posters on this forum and block the people we really don’t like then hopefully we can all live in peaceful harmony. Locking threads isn't the answer, and this thread won't last very long before it gets moved to off-topic where it will not be noticed. It seems the mods want to shove the problems under the carpet instead of dealing with them. If you have any actionable suggestions for what we should do about it, we'll listen. Believe me, we're not ignoring it. We've had several discussions about how to handle match threads in particular. You say banning isn't the answer, and locking and moving threads isn't either, so you just want us to keep a "keen eye" on things. What does that mean?
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 25, 2020 16:24:01 GMT
I think the first few pages of the Marine thread were just people showing frustration as much as anything else. Then a few people started to attack other posters for having a view they disagreed with. It spirals downwards from there.
One problem with blocking people, us that others quote them, and you still see the posts. If there are insulting or offensive posts can people try to stop quoting them?
I think we all have posters that we try to ignore. However, it is difficult to ignore if they attack you. If you challenge them the thread disintegrates and ruins it for everyone else. Can't win really.
Let's try to stick together as a group. There aren't enough if us to cause divides.
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 17:08:48 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 25, 2020 17:08:48 GMT
Locking threads isn't the answer, and this thread won't last very long before it gets moved to off-topic where it will not be noticed. It seems the mods want to shove the problems under the carpet instead of dealing with them. If you have any actionable suggestions for what we should do about it, we'll listen. Believe me, we're not ignoring it. We've had several discussions about how to handle match threads in particular. You say banning isn't the answer, and locking and moving threads isn't either, so you just want us to keep a "keen eye" on things. What does that mean? I would have thought some forum rules would be a good start. With a focus on deviants who drop grenades for others to throw them back or make a bigger bang with... you must know who these people are. They do enough to stay under the radar but know exactly how to wind a situation up. At least people then know what is not acceptable, and the moderating team can then work the discipline flow starting with warnings, then suspensions and then last resort banning for longer periods. You could also consider removing the "like" function because this is being used to rile things and can be used sarcastically to wind people up further. Also need to get on top of people using VPN and multiple accounts. Also, these idiots with controversial political names, you know who they are... just there to wind things up, might as well deal with them in the discipline process. Oh and before I forget, bin the off-topic... arguments often spill over from there into the main section, which only causes more issues generally.
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Post by lincolnexile on Oct 25, 2020 17:24:44 GMT
If you have any actionable suggestions for what we should do about it, we'll listen. Believe me, we're not ignoring it. We've had several discussions about how to handle match threads in particular. You say banning isn't the answer, and locking and moving threads isn't either, so you just want us to keep a "keen eye" on things. What does that mean? I would have thought some forum rules would be a good start. With a focus on deviants who drop grenades for others to throw them back or make a bigger bang with... you must know who these people are. They do enough to stay under the radar but know exactly how to wind a situation up. At least people then know what is not acceptable, and the moderating team can then work the discipline flow starting with warnings, then suspensions and then last resort banning for longer periods. You could also consider removing the "like" function because this is being used to rile things and can be used sarcastically to wind people up further. Also need to get on top of people using VPN and multiple accounts. Also, these idiots with controversial political names, you know who they are... just there to wind things up, might as well deal with them in the discipline process. Oh and before I forget, bin the off-topic... arguments often spill over from there into the main section, which only causes more issues generally. Agree with the point about the like function. As regards the off topic forum I don’t go there anymore, you might as well rename it the political argument forum and have done with it. There are definitely too many people on here who just throw in a controversial view knowing it’ll start an argument then sit back and enjoy the carnage they’ve caused.
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Post by norwegianblue on Oct 25, 2020 17:27:57 GMT
Let’s face it a lot of people on here still remember when the old Deva Chat was going strong. Eventually the forum died an agonizing death due to a mixture of over moderation and poisonous arguments causing a ridiculous number of bans, account suspensions, etc... It can’t be denied, however, that the old forum was a serious cog in the reformation of the club and its progression back through the leagues. Since then the old and new forum have been at the forefront of fund raising initiatives, when the official website has been worse than useless, although to be fair the website is now a much better source of information. Do we really want this forum to go the same way as the old one? Si has again had to lock another thread because of petty arguments. I know the point of message boards is to allow healthy debate but what’s healthy about resorting to personal insults just because someone doesn’t agree with your point of view. I know it’s asking a lot but why don’t we all just have a look at the list of regular posters on this forum and block the people we really don’t like then hopefully we can all live in peaceful harmony. I don't bother logging in as much as I used to and definitely don't bother posting as much. Whether my posts are missed or not isn't a great worry to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 17:30:09 GMT
Locking threads isn't the answer, and this thread won't last very long before it gets moved to off-topic where it will not be noticed. It seems the mods want to shove the problems under the carpet instead of dealing with them. If you have any actionable suggestions for what we should do about it, we'll listen. Believe me, we're not ignoring it. We've had several discussions about how to handle match threads in particular. You say banning isn't the answer, and locking and moving threads isn't either, so you just want us to keep a "keen eye" on things. What does that mean? Would it be possible to have two post match threads one for letting off steam and ranting and another for actual game/tactics/review discussion. Or even two separate Positives and Negative threads, that would be easier to moderate. Don't think we will solve this problem but the amount of infighting is staggering and people actively seem to enjoy it as they refuse to use the block button.
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 17:33:39 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 17:33:39 GMT
I do think people should take advantage of the block button as it solves a lot of the issues, however there is a problem with others quoting posters that you have blocked as I’ve noticed already in this thread after using the block button for the first time today. Unfortunately can’t do anything about seeing their posts when others quote them but at the same time it’s good to see their posts as confirmation of why you blocked them in the first place.
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 17:34:04 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 25, 2020 17:34:04 GMT
How about a naughty corner, where people are put while the match thread is going on, so they can headbutt the walls and rant and rave to themselves? You could have bern and jonno wallpaper and give them a set of darts to keep them from biting their own arms off in protest
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Post by Lobster on Oct 25, 2020 17:45:24 GMT
If you have any actionable suggestions for what we should do about it, we'll listen. Believe me, we're not ignoring it. We've had several discussions about how to handle match threads in particular. You say banning isn't the answer, and locking and moving threads isn't either, so you just want us to keep a "keen eye" on things. What does that mean? I would have thought some forum rules would be a good start. With a focus on deviants who drop grenades for others to throw them back or make a bigger bang with... you must know who these people are. They do enough to stay under the radar but know exactly how to wind a situation up. At least people then know what is not acceptable, and the moderating team can then work the discipline flow starting with warnings, then suspensions and then last resort banning for longer periods. You could also consider removing the "like" function because this is being used to rile things and can be used sarcastically to wind people up further. Also need to get on top of people using VPN and multiple accounts. Also, these idiots with controversial political names, you know who they are... just there to wind things up, might as well deal with them in the discipline process. Oh and before I forget, bin the off-topic... arguments often spill over from there into the main section, which only causes more issues generally. Thanks for the suggestions. I don't think a set of rules pinned at the top is a bad idea and I'll discuss this with the other mods. Regarding getting rid of the 'like' button, the forum is run by ProBoards so I don't know how much control we have over that. There's an argument as well that it cuts down the amount of quoting just to say "agree" or whatever, and some people get annoyed at seeing quotes from people they've blocked.
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Post by agl on Oct 25, 2020 17:50:23 GMT
I think some respect for differing opinions would go a long way to improving the debate. Believe it or not we all share a common goal...we just have contrasting views on how to achieve it. It's obvious that a few posters have become scapegoats and their detractors can't wait to jump down their throat and start the personal stuff. I also feel there's a bullying culture against anyone perceived as being negative. When you have a season ticket holder being described as a troll just because he thinks the managers aren't doing a good job, then a line is crossed.
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 17:50:32 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 25, 2020 17:50:32 GMT
I would have thought some forum rules would be a good start. With a focus on deviants who drop grenades for others to throw them back or make a bigger bang with... you must know who these people are. They do enough to stay under the radar but know exactly how to wind a situation up. At least people then know what is not acceptable, and the moderating team can then work the discipline flow starting with warnings, then suspensions and then last resort banning for longer periods. You could also consider removing the "like" function because this is being used to rile things and can be used sarcastically to wind people up further. Also need to get on top of people using VPN and multiple accounts. Also, these idiots with controversial political names, you know who they are... just there to wind things up, might as well deal with them in the discipline process. Oh and before I forget, bin the off-topic... arguments often spill over from there into the main section, which only causes more issues generally. Thanks for the suggestions. I don't think a set of rules pinned at the top is a bad idea and I'll discuss this with the other mods. Regarding getting rid of the 'like' button, the forum is run by ProBoards so I don't know how much control we have over that. There's an argument as well that it cuts down the amount of quoting just to say "agree" or whatever, and some people get annoyed at seeing quotes from people they've blocked. I'd say a few extra posts in a thread are worth having compared to people saying things just to get likes... it seems to create these little cults (no thats not a typo 🤣)
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Deva Chat
Oct 25, 2020 17:59:04 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 25, 2020 17:59:04 GMT
By the way, I've just done some googling and its easy to disable the like setting for the whole board and there's some script you can add so blocked people when quoted will also be blocked. Have a look but I think only si would be able to make the changes
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Post by agl on Oct 25, 2020 18:06:36 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions. I don't think a set of rules pinned at the top is a bad idea and I'll discuss this with the other mods. Regarding getting rid of the 'like' button, the forum is run by ProBoards so I don't know how much control we have over that. There's an argument as well that it cuts down the amount of quoting just to say "agree" or whatever, and some people get annoyed at seeing quotes from people they've blocked. I'd say a few extra posts in a thread are worth having compared to people saying things just to get likes... it seems to create these little cults (no thats not a typo 🤣) I was going to like this... but I agree the like feature should be disabled if possible. It's a bit infantile.
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Oct 25, 2020 18:07:46 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 25, 2020 18:07:46 GMT
I'd say a few extra posts in a thread are worth having compared to people saying things just to get likes... it seems to create these little cults (no thats not a typo 🤣) I was going to like this... but I agree the like feature should be disabled if possible. It's a bit infantile. I couldnt resist
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 18:08:24 GMT
I think it serves the purpose of agreeing with posters - more streamline than quoting someone from three or four pages earlier just to say “This”.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:19:06 GMT
I’m not sure how you can moderate someone who just posts negative comments all the time or more specifically when we lose. It’s each individuals prerogative to want to be positive or negative but there are some on here as Oaks Blue has already said just throw a grenade in and watch it explode and then their acolytes jump all over it. You know exactly who is going to do it and when, it’s always been the same.
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Oct 25, 2020 18:23:47 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 18:23:47 GMT
I think AGL also raises a good point about respect for differing opinions.
I like to think I’m fairly measured and balanced when it comes to my opinions on the club and the team and I’m entitled to be pissed off when we lose 8-1 or 0-6 or get dumped out of the Trophy by a team from a fictional town in the mind of Reece Shearsmith or get beat at home without so much as a whimper by a side two leagues below us in a financially crucial Cup tie, and I don’t think I should be pounced on with personal attacks for that. I’m sure others feel the same.
Perhaps we should have a Respect charter? New members will have to sign it to join, existing members will have to sign it to automatically remain?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:26:03 GMT
I think AGL also raises a good point about respect for differing opinions. I like to think I’m fairly measured and balanced when it comes to my opinions on the club and the team and I’m entitled to be pissed off when we lose 8-1 or 0-6 or get dumped out of the Trophy by a team from a fictional town in the mind of Reece Shearsmith or get beat at home without so much as a whimper by a side two leagues below us in a financially crucial Cup tie, and I don’t think I should be pounced on with personal attacks for that. I’m sure others feel the same. Perhaps we should have a Respect charter? New members will have to sign it to join, existing members will have to sign it to automatically remain? I think this is the third time I’ve agreed with you today, I need my temperature checking. However, I do think there need to be balance. Be as pissed off as anything after yesterday but treat a win away at a full time Kidderminster with the opposite response.
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Post by agl on Oct 25, 2020 18:27:23 GMT
I’m not sure how you can moderate someone who just posts negative comments all the time or more specifically when we lose. It’s each individuals prerogative to want to be positive or negative but there are some on here as Oaks Blue has already said just throw a grenade in and watch it explode and then their acolytes jump all over it. You know exactly who is going to do it and when, it’s always been the same. Therein lies one of the issues. What one person might perceive as negative another might see as being illuminating analysis of what's going wrong.
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Oct 25, 2020 18:30:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:30:36 GMT
I’m not sure how you can moderate someone who just posts negative comments all the time or more specifically when we lose. It’s each individuals prerogative to want to be positive or negative but there are some on here as Oaks Blue has already said just throw a grenade in and watch it explode and then their acolytes jump all over it. You know exactly who is going to do it and when, it’s always been the same. Therein lies one of the issues. What one person might perceive as negative another might see as being illuminating analysis of what's going wrong. Not really agl. There are poster that only post after defeat, that’s not analysing thats solely focusing on a defeat. Not even a ‘good 3 points today’ in the post match thread when we’ve won.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 18:30:57 GMT
I’m not sure how you can moderate someone who just posts negative comments all the time or more specifically when we lose. It’s each individuals prerogative to want to be positive or negative but there are some on here as Oaks Blue has already said just throw a grenade in and watch it explode and then their acolytes jump all over it. You know exactly who is going to do it and when, it’s always been the same. Therein lies one of the issues. What one person might perceive as negative another might see as being illuminating analysis of what's going wrong. And that’s when healthy debate occurs, providing it doesn’t resort to personal slanging - sadly that’s what tends to happen.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 18:35:03 GMT
However, I do think there need to be balance. Be as pissed off as anything after yesterday but treat a win away at a full time Kidderminster with the opposite response. It’s natural that the lengthier match threads follow a defeat as posters try to get everything off their chests and have their say on where they think things went wrong. After a win there’s only so much to be said, you can’t delve into the ins and outs of a win as much as you can a defeat - that’s normal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:37:11 GMT
Therein lies one of the issues. What one person might perceive as negative another might see as being illuminating analysis of what's going wrong. And that’s when healthy debate occurs, providing it doesn’t resort to personal slanging - sadly that’s what tends to happen. But theres got to be balance otherwise people will see through you (not you) as an imposter as opposed to being a someone who gives balanced debate. There’s a couple of fantastic posters on here, avfo who posts all kinds of football knowledge/news but doesn’t really post on games. Churton Blue, again not a poster on games particularly but gives excellent insight into the finance and governance side of things. If you only post after a defeat then there’s clearly an agenda. If you only post after wins then you’re clearly just a happyclapper
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Oct 25, 2020 18:39:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:39:10 GMT
However, I do think there need to be balance. Be as pissed off as anything after yesterday but treat a win away at a full time Kidderminster with the opposite response. It’s natural that the lengthier match threads follow a defeat as posters try to get everything off their chests and have their say on where they think things went wrong. After a win there’s only so much to be said, you can’t delve into the ins and outs of a win as much as you can a defeat - that’s normal. To an extent I agree but 2 or 3 pages end up being about sacking the managers or how disgraceful a signing Johnston has been. A win on here is treated like a given. A loss on here is treated like a death in the family!
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Post by billyw on Oct 25, 2020 20:38:00 GMT
Unfortunately there are a handful of posters on here who are incapable of having a debate without resorting to personal abuse should anyone dare to have an opinion with which they don’t agree.
I readily admit that I do not rate the managers and am entitled to my opinion,. However because I dared to say so, I got the expected vitriolic response from the usual ignorant bullies, accusing me of being a troll, wanting the team to lose, only posting when we lose etc. Considering I have supported this club for over 60 years and contribute a large sum of money every year, their comments are spurious, unjustified and pathetic and if people are going to be bullied for voicing an opinion, this forum may as well pack up as it’s unlikely to attract many new supporters.
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Oct 25, 2020 21:04:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 21:04:13 GMT
Unfortunately there are a handful of posters on here who are incapable of having a debate without resorting to personal abuse should anyone dare to have an opinion with which they don’t agree. I readily admit that I do not rate the managers and am entitled to my opinion,. However because I dared to say so, I got the expected vitriolic response from the usual ignorant bullies, accusing me of being a troll, wanting the team to lose, only posting when we lose etc. Considering I have supported this club for over 60 years and contribute a large sum of money every year, their comments are spurious, unjustified and pathetic and if people are going to be bullied for voicing an opinion, this forum may as well pack up as it’s unlikely to attract many new supporters. But never post when we win, ever! Why?
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