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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 20, 2021 16:36:42 GMT
Homophobic banner in the stands against Portugal and monkey chants against France - UEFA have launched an investigation into Hungary.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jun 20, 2021 16:54:06 GMT
The race for second in Group A is very much on now. It's still in Wales' favour but Italy have looked increasingly dangerous. Do Wales try and keep the score down and hope the Swiss don't increase their lead or do they go looking for a precious equaliser?
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2021 17:02:23 GMT
I'd go for keeping the score down. Four points and a positive goal difference is very likely to be enough even if they finish third.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2021 18:04:07 GMT
Wales perhaps a bit fortunate to have played Italy last when they were already through, but fair play, I didn't fancy them to get through that group. I would be surprised if four points wasn't enough for the Swiss as well.
Could be a very winnable tie for Wales in the next round as well - I'd fancy them to beat Finland or Russia but not sure about Denmark.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 21, 2021 5:43:11 GMT
Monday: Russia (3pts) vs Denmark (0pts), Finland (3pts) vs Belgium (6pts, throughout knockouts).
Belgium are through and will top the group with a draw.
Russia will be through with a win, or a draw if Finland fail to beat Belgium.
Finland will be through with a win, or a draw if Russia lose to Denmark.
Denmark can finish second if they beat Russia and Finland lose against Belgium, but it will all depend on the goals scored in these two matches.
If Belgium, Russia and Finland all finish on 6 points (ahead of Denmark on 0), they will be split on goal difference from matches between the three teams though all will advance at least as a best third-placed team.
In that scenario, if Finland beat Belgium by one or two goals, and Russia win, the order will be: 1 Belgium, 2 Finland, 3 Russia.
If Finland beat Belgium by between three and five goals, and Russia win, the order will be 1 Finland, 2 Belgium, 3 Russia.
If Finland beat Belgium by six goals or more, and Russia win, the order will be 1 Finland, 2 Russia, 3 Belgium.
If Denmark, Russia and Finland all finish on 3 points (behind Belgium on 9), they will be split on goal difference from matches between the three teams. The second-placed team behind Belgium would be through and the third-placed team could still advance depending on the final record of third-placed teams in other groups.
In that scenario, if Denmark beat Russia 1-0, and Finland lose, the teams would be equal on all three-way scenarios and would be split on overall goal difference then overall goals scored, then number of wins (which in this case would be equal), then disciplinary points, then European Qualifiers rankings (in which Russia are 12th, Denmark 15th and Finland 20th). Disciplinary points then European Qualifiers rankings would be used specifically if Denmark won 1-0 and Finland lost 2-1 (Denmark and Finland would be equal on overall goal difference, goals scored and number of wins), or if Denmark won 1-0 and Finland lost 3-0 (Russia and Finland would be equal on overall goal difference, goals scored and number of wins).
If Denmark beat Russia by a one-goal margin other than 1-0, and Finland lose, the order will be 2 Denmark, 3 Russia, 4 Finland.
If Denmark beat Russia by two goals or more, and Finland lose, the order will be 2 Denmark, 3 Finland, 4 Russia.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 21, 2021 7:46:10 GMT
Monday: Russia (3pts) vs Denmark (0pts), Finland (3pts) vs Belgium (6pts, throughout knockouts). Belgium are through and will top the group with a draw. Russia will be through with a win, or a draw if Finland fail to beat Belgium. Finland will be through with a win, or a draw if Russia lose to Denmark. Denmark can finish second if they beat Russia and Finland lose against Belgium, but it will all depend on the goals scored in these two matches. If Belgium, Russia and Finland all finish on 6 points (ahead of Denmark on 0), they will be split on goal difference from matches between the three teams though all will advance at least as a best third-placed team. In that scenario, if Finland beat Belgium by one or two goals, and Russia win, the order will be: 1 Belgium, 2 Finland, 3 Russia. If Finland beat Belgium by between three and five goals, and Russia win, the order will be 1 Finland, 2 Belgium, 3 Russia. If Finland beat Belgium by six goals or more, and Russia win, the order will be 1 Finland, 2 Russia, 3 Belgium. If Denmark, Russia and Finland all finish on 3 points (behind Belgium on 9), they will be split on goal difference from matches between the three teams. The second-placed team behind Belgium would be through and the third-placed team could still advance depending on the final record of third-placed teams in other groups. In that scenario, if Denmark beat Russia 1-0, and Finland lose, the teams would be equal on all three-way scenarios and would be split on overall goal difference then overall goals scored, then number of wins (which in this case would be equal), then disciplinary points, then European Qualifiers rankings (in which Russia are 12th, Denmark 15th and Finland 20th). Disciplinary points then European Qualifiers rankings would be used specifically if Denmark won 1-0 and Finland lost 2-1 (Denmark and Finland would be equal on overall goal difference, goals scored and number of wins), or if Denmark won 1-0 and Finland lost 3-0 (Russia and Finland would be equal on overall goal difference, goals scored and number of wins). If Denmark beat Russia by a one-goal margin other than 1-0, and Finland lose, the order will be 2 Denmark, 3 Russia, 4 Finland. If Denmark beat Russia by two goals or more, and Finland lose, the order will be 2 Denmark, 3 Finland, 4 Russia. Bloody hell well done I think you've covered all scenarios there now what about group D
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Post by Lobster on Jun 21, 2021 8:09:18 GMT
Group D
Czechs win the group if they draw or win against England.
England win the group if they beat the Czechs, and qualify in second if they draw. This means a draw between England and the Czechs will see both sides through.
England the Czechs are certain to finish at least third even if they lose, and with four points will probably qualify.
Scotland can't finish ahead of the Czechs, so the only way for them to qualify automatically is for them to beat Croatia and the Czechs to beat England, making up a three-goal swing in the process. For example, a 2-0 Scottish win and a 1-0 Czech win would put Scotland through in second place at England's expense. If Scotland win but the England game doesn't go in their favour, they finish third on four points, which gives them a good chance of progressing. If Scotland lose, they're out.
Croatia are also out if they lose. Their situation is similar to Scotland's in that a win would probably make them one of the best third-placed teams, but they do also have an outside chance of second place. They can't finish ahead of England, so they need an England win and to make up a three-goal swing on the Czechs to finish in the top two.
If Scotland and Croatia draw, Croatia will finish third ahead of Scotland on goal difference, but two points is unlikely to be enough to see them progress.
Think that covers it!
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Post by Lobster on Jun 21, 2021 8:38:03 GMT
Group C is a lot simpler. Netherlands have won the group and North Macedonia are out, so it all comes down to the Ukraine v Austria game.
Ukraine go through if they win or draw, Austria go through if they win. The loser of that game would finish on three points and a negative goal difference - that wasn't enough to get through in the last tournament.
On the face of it, it should be an exciting match, but I think it may be a tepid affair with Austria realising that a draw will put them on four points and a neutral goal difference. That would be a better record than Switzerland for a start, so statistically it's very likely to see them through.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jun 21, 2021 9:00:07 GMT
Finishing second may work out better, it did in the last World Cup, but I think you've always got to try and win the group if you're serious about winning the tournament. At least then you won't go out thinking you could have done more. The 2002 World Cup is the one that stands out, where a poor 0-0 draw against Nigeria meant England finished second and went out to Brazil in the quarters. Winning the group could have meant a path to the semis via Senegal and Turkey. Interestly poised isnt it, 2nd place in our group plays 2nd place in Group E in the Last 16. The way Group E has panned out though, whoever finishes 2nd in our group could well end up playing Spain - therefore not the kind of opposition some may be hoping for (although I know Spain havent looked great so far). Agree that we've just got to try to and win the game tomorrow and then see what happens.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 21, 2021 13:08:14 GMT
Billy Gilmour tested positive for Covid. That means the whole England Side will have to isolate as they were in his pocket for all the game the other night!
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Post by Lobster on Jun 21, 2021 14:53:23 GMT
Finishing second may work out better, it did in the last World Cup, but I think you've always got to try and win the group if you're serious about winning the tournament. At least then you won't go out thinking you could have done more. The 2002 World Cup is the one that stands out, where a poor 0-0 draw against Nigeria meant England finished second and went out to Brazil in the quarters. Winning the group could have meant a path to the semis via Senegal and Turkey. Interestly poised isnt it, 2nd place in our group plays 2nd place in Group E in the Last 16. The way Group E has panned out though, whoever finishes 2nd in our group could well end up playing Spain - therefore not the kind of opposition some may be hoping for (although I know Spain havent looked great so far). Agree that we've just got to try to and win the game tomorrow and then see what happens. I was also going to make a point about how it's usually a group winner that wins the tournament, but for the Euros that's not really the case. In 1992 (Denmark), 2000 (France) and 2004 (Greece), it was a runner-up that ended up winning it, and of course last time Portugal only just snook through their group in third. The World Cup is almost always won by a team that wins its group though.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 21, 2021 15:14:53 GMT
Quite surprised that ITV are showing the dead rubber between the Netherlands and North Macedonia on their main channel while the decider between Ukraine and Austria is on ITV4. Suppose it doesn't matter, and the Dutch probably are more of a pull than those two sides even if it's a meaningless game.
I used to find it a bit annoying the two last games in the group being on at the same time, but in these times of it being easy to watch live television on your computer or phone, it's great. Yesterday I had the Wales game on the telly and Switzerland on my laptop. Yes, I know I'm sad!
On Tuesday I think I'll prioritise the Scotland game. I think England have probably already qualified whereas there's a lot riding on the Scotland game. Plus England have offered poor entertainment so far.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 21, 2021 18:02:10 GMT
Austria were far superior in that game. Ukraine looked like they thought they could just turn up and play out a draw. I doubt they will go through with their record and nor do they deserve to. Disappointed by them.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jun 21, 2021 20:57:45 GMT
Brilliant effort by Denmark tonight to secure their place in the last 16.
We too are assured of a last 16 place now because we will, at worst, be one of the top 4 3rd placed teams.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 21, 2021 21:04:08 GMT
Great results for England tonight! It’s coming home!
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Post by Lobster on Jun 21, 2021 22:10:54 GMT
That Denmark game was the best moment of the competition so far for me. Superb goals, especially the third. Really pleased for them. Russia got what they deserved - horrendously negative, played for a draw and dived for the penalty.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jun 22, 2021 6:29:31 GMT
That Denmark game was the best moment of the competition so far for me. Superb goals, especially the third. Really pleased for them. Russia got what they deserved - horrendously negative, played for a draw and dived for the penalty. I watched the Belgium game. 🙃
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Post by rockin on Jun 22, 2021 7:27:46 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jun 22, 2021 7:29:08 GMT
That Denmark game was the best moment of the competition so far for me. Superb goals, especially the third. Really pleased for them. Russia got what they deserved - horrendously negative, played for a draw and dived for the penalty. I watched the Belgium game. 🙃 The Belgium game looked OK but the Denmark game was the one to watch. The broadcasters keep putting the big team on their main channel but usually there's more riding on the other fixture. Speaking of which, the Scotland v Croatia now becomes a simple and fascinating equation - the winner goes through, but if it's a draw, both go out. It will be interesting to see what the last few minutes of that game are like if the scores are still level.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 22, 2021 7:45:49 GMT
More riding on the lesser games on the lesser channels (BBC 2, ITV 4) so far - was the same for the 5pm kick offs yesterday. The main channels have the bigger teams.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 22, 2021 8:02:56 GMT
One of his better quotes, that!
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jun 22, 2021 8:10:56 GMT
I watched the Belgium game. 🙃 The Belgium game looked OK but the Denmark game was the one to watch. The broadcasters keep putting the big team on their main channel but usually there's more riding on the other fixture. Speaking of which, the Scotland v Croatia now becomes a simple and fascinating equation - the winner goes through, but if it's a draw, both go out. It will be interesting to see what the last few minutes of that game are like if the scores are still level. Its quite bizarre that if Scotland win 1-0 tonight they will go through to the knockouts having achieved scoring less goals than North Macedonia.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 22, 2021 8:19:03 GMT
The Belgium game looked OK but the Denmark game was the one to watch. The broadcasters keep putting the big team on their main channel but usually there's more riding on the other fixture. Speaking of which, the Scotland v Croatia now becomes a simple and fascinating equation - the winner goes through, but if it's a draw, both go out. It will be interesting to see what the last few minutes of that game are like if the scores are still level. Its quite bizarre that if Scotland win 1-0 tonight they will go through to the knockouts having achieved scoring less goals than North Macedonia. Yes, Scotland are now the only team yet to score in the competition. Just how it works out sometimes I suppose. Ireland managed to reach the quarter final of the 1990 World Cup despite scoring just two goals.
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Post by catfordbags on Jun 22, 2021 8:43:22 GMT
Its quite bizarre that if Scotland win 1-0 tonight they will go through to the knockouts having achieved scoring less goals than North Macedonia. Yes, Scotland are now the only team yet to score in the competition. Just how it works out sometimes I suppose. Ireland managed to reach the quarter final of the 1990 World Cup despite scoring just two goals. Didn't Scotland get knocked out of the 74 world cup without losing a game ?
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Post by Lobster on Jun 22, 2021 8:48:42 GMT
Yes, Scotland are now the only team yet to score in the competition. Just how it works out sometimes I suppose. Ireland managed to reach the quarter final of the 1990 World Cup despite scoring just two goals. Didn't Scotland get knocked out of the 74 world cup without losing a game ? Yes, that's happened a few times over the years. A good quiz question is who was the only team not to lose a game at the 2010 World Cup. Answer is Here
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Post by jimianto on Jun 22, 2021 11:22:00 GMT
Didn't Scotland get knocked out of the 74 world cup without losing a game ? Yes, that's happened a few times over the years. A good quiz question is who was the only team not to lose a game at the 2010 World Cup. Answer is HereLike England in Spain 82
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Post by Lobster on Jun 22, 2021 19:56:31 GMT
From what I've seen of the England game, Grealish looks like he's causing problems. He's got to start.
Massive 45 minutes coming up at Hampden. I doubt it will finish a draw.
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Post by noddy on Jun 22, 2021 21:15:34 GMT
Second half was a complete non event tonight, positives were the clean sheet and Saka's performance first half. FOP will be delighted with another 1-0. Me, I expected a little more quality and threat in the final third, hopefully the shackles can come off in the knockout stage.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 22, 2021 21:21:54 GMT
Another clean sheet and a comfortable win, happy with that. All the stick Sterling gets - he’s been our match-winner twice now. Always delivers for England.
Of the potential last 16 opponents, the preference has got to be Germany. I really don’t fancy Kyle Walker up against Mbappe; Portugal have quality quality players too. Fingers crossed for France and Germany wins tomorrow night to keep them in first and second place, respectively.
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Post by chesterken on Jun 22, 2021 21:23:57 GMT
Second half was a complete non event tonight, positives were the clean sheet and Saka's performance first half. FOP will be delighted with another 1-0. Me, I expected a little more quality and threat in the final third, hopefully the shackles can come off in the knockout stage. Just my opinion but I couldn’t watch every week when my team is trying to win every game 1-0, I expect a bit more than that as we have some very offensive minded players but they are playing every game with straight jackets on.
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