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Post by Si on May 26, 2023 13:43:08 GMT
Fuck me didn’t see that 😂😂😂 They really don’t have a clue on scouting, players outside of a Manchester post code or anyone who wasn’t part of the Salford reality show. Scouting wasn't their strong point, and nor were tactics, but to be fair to them if we'd had the sort of home record last season that they normally gave us, we'd have been promoted. Always felt this was a bit of a lazy dig to throw at them. Sure, initially they went with a lot of Salford connections as they hadn't long left that job and they were able to use those connections to get decent players in on the cheap, which at the time was very much needed. Over time they cast their net wider (Glendon, Taylor, Jackson, Asante, Williams, Morgan, Weeks etc), but people tend to overlook that. Taking over the Radcliffe job they are bound to be in a limited pool of players for that level, so makes sense to go with tried and tested players at higher levels if they can get them in.....the likes of Hulme, Morgan, Duds, Sargeant are all brilliant signings for that level. I don't think it's a weakness to sign players you've worked with before - shows that players want to play for them and the managers know what they'll get from them. Anyway, as for our retained list it's only really Duds that I'm sad to see go. Not denying its probably the right time for a fresh challenge for him, but just sad to see a good servant go and on his day he is a brilliant footballer to watch. The thing that held him back was the consistency - he was a 1 game in 3 player and when it wasn't his day he went missing, but it's 6th tier football and if he was more consistent then with his ability levels he'd be playing league 2.
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Post by Moltisanti on May 26, 2023 14:23:04 GMT
Scouting wasn't their strong point, and nor were tactics, but to be fair to them if we'd had the sort of home record last season that they normally gave us, we'd have been promoted. Always felt this was a bit of a lazy dig to throw at them. Sure, initially they went with a lot of Salford connections as they hadn't long left that job and they were able to use those connections to get decent players in on the cheap, which at the time was very much needed. Over time they cast their net wider (Glendon, Taylor, Jackson, Asante, Williams, Morgan, Weeks etc), but people tend to overlook that. Taking over the Radcliffe job they are bound to be in a limited pool of players for that level, so makes sense to go with tried and tested players at higher levels if they can get them in.....the likes of Hulme, Morgan, Duds, Sargeant are all brilliant signings for that level. I don't think it's a weakness to sign players you've worked with before - shows that players want to play for them and the managers know what they'll get from them. Anyway, as for our retained list it's only really Duds that I'm sad to see go. Not denying its probably the right time for a fresh challenge for him, but just sad to see a good servant go and on his day he is a brilliant footballer to watch. The thing that held him back was the consistency - he was a 1 game in 3 player and when it wasn't his day he went missing, but it's 6th tier football and if he was more consistent then with his ability levels he'd be playing league 2. Spot on, all of it. Bern and Jonno are good lads hope they go up with Radcliffe.
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Post by agl on May 26, 2023 15:08:52 GMT
Can't argue with that list. Dudley isn't going to get any better and already far too inconsistent. Hopefully free up the budget for a couple of marquee signings. Looks a decent squad and there was no need for wholesale changes. Vital we get off to a good start next season. I wonder if Stanway might still move on? Impossible act to follow Tyrer and there's a bit of baggage with his silly social media posts. I think Willoughby needs to make his intentions clear.
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Post by vandycandy on May 26, 2023 15:21:10 GMT
Fantastic news about Dudley, tried hard but ultimately wasn't good enough. Hope Kenyon signs up, imagine he has had other offers judging by it not being announced.
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Post by Anders on May 26, 2023 15:27:33 GMT
Fantastic news about Dudley, tried hard but ultimately wasn't good enough. Hope Kenyon signs up, imagine he has had other offers judging by it not being announced. Doing his Uefa A coaching at St George's Park this week.
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Post by bluejay on May 26, 2023 15:34:01 GMT
Can't argue with that list. Dudley isn't going to get any better and already far too inconsistent. Hopefully free up the budget for a couple of marquee signings. Looks a decent squad and there was no need for wholesale changes. Vital we get off to a good start next season. I wonder if Stanway might still move on? Impossible act to follow Tyrer and there's a bit of baggage with his silly social media posts. I think Willoughby needs to make his intentions clear. Had a heartbreaking conversation with Dudley in the car park after the last match. He said he knew he wasn't fit enough for this level. I told him fitness is easier to add to your game than skill, but he'd probably been told by Cal. Despite all the frustrations with him I'm sad to see him go, lovely lad.
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Post by Moltisanti on May 26, 2023 16:06:11 GMT
See the usual suspects with a Dudley vendetta can’t just wish him well without another sly dig.
Embarrassing
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2023 16:24:31 GMT
Fantastic news about Dudley, tried hard but ultimately wasn't good enough. Hope Kenyon signs up, imagine he has had other offers judging by it not being announced. Fantastic? Really? Sometimes he’s good, sometimes he was bad, but all in all has done a good job for us over the years. I’ve seen absolutely horrific players leave our club and even then I wouldn’t call it fantastic. Who you going to turn on next year - Thomas? Hall?
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Post by highpeakblue on May 26, 2023 16:31:26 GMT
Fantastic news about Dudley, tried hard but ultimately wasn't good enough. Hope Kenyon signs up, imagine he has had other offers judging by it not being announced. More than good enough, just inconsistent. Too subtle for some.
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Post by vandycandy on May 26, 2023 16:41:43 GMT
Still amazes me that those of us with strong opinions get called out for stating the hard facts. I was always consistent with Dudley, when I thought he had a good game I said so, when he did not I also said. I'm pleased he's been reunited with Bern & Jonno, imagine he will do well at that level as that is his level. People think I'm being harsh but I always thought he was average.
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Post by noddy on May 26, 2023 16:44:30 GMT
I wish Dudley well, admitted himself he wasn't fit enough for our level. Hope he does well for Radcliffe next season though I dare say the usual suspects will keep us informed of his goals tally.
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Post by Wortleyblue on May 26, 2023 16:58:42 GMT
Still amazes me that those of us with strong opinions get called out for stating the hard facts. I was always consistent with Dudley, when I thought he had a good game I said so, when he did not I also said. I'm pleased he's been reunited with Bern & Jonno, imagine he will do well at that level as that is his level. People think I'm being harsh but I always thought he was average. I think the reason you get reactions is the way you put your strong opinions across. A prime example is saying Duds leaving is fantastic, you think he was average that's fine but a simple "that's the right decision for me" would have sufficed after all he has been a good club servant
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Post by cityboy5705 on May 26, 2023 17:06:41 GMT
See the usual suspects with a Dudley vendetta can’t just wish him well without another sly dig. Embarrassing you have had a go at me in the past about Dudley I realise he was a good player who rarely let us down put it this way the ones who say daz was a great player slag off Dudley only kept stevo because of a song
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Post by cityboy5705 on May 26, 2023 17:09:10 GMT
Always felt this was a bit of a lazy dig to throw at them. Sure, initially they went with a lot of Salford connections as they hadn't long left that job and they were able to use those connections to get decent players in on the cheap, which at the time was very much needed. Over time they cast their net wider (Glendon, Taylor, Jackson, Asante, Williams, Morgan, Weeks etc), but people tend to overlook that. Taking over the Radcliffe job they are bound to be in a limited pool of players for that level, so makes sense to go with tried and tested players at higher levels if they can get them in.....the likes of Hulme, Morgan, Duds, Sargeant are all brilliant signings for that level. I don't think it's a weakness to sign players you've worked with before - shows that players want to play for them and the managers know what they'll get from them. Anyway, as for our retained list it's only really Duds that I'm sad to see go. Not denying its probably the right time for a fresh challenge for him, but just sad to see a good servant go and on his day he is a brilliant footballer to watch. The thing that held him back was the consistency - he was a 1 game in 3 player and when it wasn't his day he went missing, but it's 6th tier football and if he was more consistent then with his ability levels he'd be playing league 2. Spot on, all of it. Bern and Jonno are good lads hope they go up with Radcliffe. correct don't have a problem with bern and Jonno did more good things than bad
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Post by devachatter on May 26, 2023 17:09:12 GMT
Fantastic news about Dudley, tried hard but ultimately wasn't good enough. Hope Kenyon signs up, imagine he has had other offers judging by it not being announced. You've had it in for Duds for a good year
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Post by cityboy5705 on May 26, 2023 17:16:04 GMT
I don't get the hatred for Bern and Jonno people should look what they inherited from the cast of father Ted and bignot had to cobble a squad together also the roof caved in they fixed it out of there own money never asked for it back and never moaned about they budget either unlike bignot it was a basket case if a club and they restored pride as well in the end just didn't work out anyway wish Dudley well and Morgan as well
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Post by Moltisanti on May 26, 2023 17:23:32 GMT
I wish Dudley well, admitted himself he wasn't fit enough for our level. Hope he does well for Radcliffe next season though I dare say the usual suspects will keep us informed of his goals tally. And just like that, here comes the backing singer.
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Post by noddy on May 26, 2023 17:25:50 GMT
I wish Dudley well, admitted himself he wasn't fit enough for our level. Hope he does well for Radcliffe next season though I dare say the usual suspects will keep us informed of his goals tally. And just like that, here comes the backing singer. I've just wished Dudley well. What's your issue with that?
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Post by highpeakblue on May 26, 2023 18:04:20 GMT
Still amazes me that those of us with strong opinions get called out for stating the hard facts. I was always consistent with Dudley, when I thought he had a good game I said so, when he did not I also said. I'm pleased he's been reunited with Bern & Jonno, imagine he will do well at that level as that is his level. People think I'm being harsh but I always thought he was average. Nobody has called you out. What you have done is said that you have strong opinions, but then said that you have stated the hard facts. The facts are that last season Cal kept Dudley on, therefore he was obviously deemed good enough. This season, for whatever reason, he has been released. You can have your opinion on that, but fact it isn't (unless of course you have heard it directly from Calum) .
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Post by Lon on May 26, 2023 18:08:22 GMT
Really don’t get the hate over Dudley. Good player for this level who just didn’t seem to have things work out in his favour here. Every time he’d have a good run of form he’d get injured and then when he was (probably) rushed back into the team and not fully fit people would throw pelters at him for not performing. Think he is better off going to Ratcliffe anyway where he won’t have a bunch of idiots jumping on his back when he doesn’t score every game
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Post by yossergolf on May 26, 2023 18:16:47 GMT
And just like that, here comes the backing singer. I've just wished Dudley well. What's your issue with that? The comment that Duds made probably related to him playing this season with an injury. Anthony Dudley divides opinions but what can’t be questioned is he is a very skill full player at the level we play and probably was capable of a higher level. I look at how fans were divided over Sean McConville when he played for us, very similar comments by fans, some loved him some didn’t. I see Duds in a similar light. I’m sure he will do a great job for Bern and Jonno, they wouldn’t sign him if they didn’t rate him or his work rate. Thanks Duds for the efforts you have given to Chester FC, all the best and good luck,
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Post by noddy on May 26, 2023 18:44:47 GMT
I've just wished Dudley well. What's your issue with that? The comment that Duds made probably related to him playing this season with an injury. Anthony Dudley divides opinions but what can’t be questioned is he is a very skill full player at the level we play and probably was capable of a higher level. I look at how fans were divided over Sean McConville when he played for us, very similar comments by fans, some loved him some didn’t. I see Duds in a similar light. I’m sure he will do a great job for Bern and Jonno, they wouldn’t sign him if they didn’t rate him or his work rate. Thanks Duds for the efforts you have given to Chester FC, all the best and good luck, Probably related. Guess we will never actually know if it's related to him playing this season or the fact he missed parts of last season. Never doubted the lads ability, undoubtedly one of our most naturally talented players and it's never been personal. His fitness levels and his desire to apply himself and maybe be the best version of himself I've questioned. My opinion was he should have been released 12 months ago and I still stand by that opinion. Anyway, good luck to him at his new club and hope the lad does well for Radcliffe. Ps I always rated Sean McConville!
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Post by 1paulcarden on May 26, 2023 20:02:57 GMT
Two types of attitude issues with both Stephenson & Dudley I suppose. Stephenson was utterly abysmal in his first season until the clocks went back, but this season we had a much better squad and manager and therefore didn’t have to rely on him as much (although the same thing happened). Birds start tweeting and he starts playing. Incredibly strange player.
Dudley is a technically gifted but emotionally checked out footballer. Overweight at preseason (which he has admitted) and then seeing him use the odd start here and there as a fitness gaining exercise just wasn’t good enough. He’ll be great at that level but the club have waited long enough for a complete season from him and it was apparent that he wanted to be lower profile.
Both players who I wish all the best to but I feel we shan’t miss.
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Post by Forever Blue on May 26, 2023 23:25:00 GMT
I wish all the released players well and thank them for being part of an amazing season and it was way better than I expected. I have to say Duds did have me worried when he turned up for training preseason but he put in the effort and turned that around. As for Stephenson he kind of reminds me of Akwasi Asante when his head is focused he is a fantastic player it is just keeping him happy and focused 😂😂 Both players played a great part and I think the saying last season was trust in Cal he has a plan, we now move forward and I recon Cal has a plan, onwards and upwards we go 👍 I can't wait for the new season myself the sooner the better😂😂😂😂
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Post by Anders on May 26, 2023 23:49:24 GMT
Dudley started to split opinion after his first season as his fitness started to wain, especially through the inactive covid lockdowns. I think a lot of the frustration from some towards him is through unfulfilled potential.
I personally liked him, he has obvious talent and always seemed genuine, he didn’t get interviewed often but if you actually bothered to listen to any of the ones he did he always gave a very honest appraisal of himself. Agree with the above that he’s probably come to accept where he is and what he’s capable of now.
He’s our second top appearance holder and joint second top scorer since reformation, he’s served us well and there’s no doubt that the very least I want to wish someone who has that record for us is well for the future.
Right time to move all in all I think but some great memories, the very best to him from me going forwards.
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Post by borussiachester on May 27, 2023 1:41:27 GMT
Scouting wasn't their strong point, and nor were tactics, but to be fair to them if we'd had the sort of home record last season that they normally gave us, we'd have been promoted. Always felt this was a bit of a lazy dig to throw at them. Sure, initially they went with a lot of Salford connections as they hadn't long left that job and they were able to use those connections to get decent players in on the cheap, which at the time was very much needed. Over time they cast their net wider (Glendon, Taylor, Jackson, Asante, Williams, Morgan, Weeks etc), but people tend to overlook that. Taking over the Radcliffe job they are bound to be in a limited pool of players for that level, so makes sense to go with tried and tested players at higher levels if they can get them in.....the likes of Hulme, Morgan, Duds, Sargeant are all brilliant signings for that level. I don't think it's a weakness to sign players you've worked with before - shows that players want to play for them and the managers know what they'll get from them. Anyway, as for our retained list it's only really Duds that I'm sad to see go. Not denying its probably the right time for a fresh challenge for him, but just sad to see a good servant go and on his day he is a brilliant footballer to watch. The thing that held him back was the consistency - he was a 1 game in 3 player and when it wasn't his day he went missing, but it's 6th tier football and if he was more consistent then with his ability levels he'd be playing league 2. Agree with every word of this. Part of me expected Dudley to stay another year after some of his performances this season - but as you say, his lack of consistency has always held him back and I totally understand that we’ve decided we can no longer accommodate someone whose performances from one game to the next are about as difficult to predict as a dice roll. I’m sure financial concerns would’ve played a part too - I can’t imagine he was on a particularly insignificant wage here, and letting him go will have freed up funds to further strengthen our attack. It’ll be interesting to see how he fares in a more physical league, given that he’s never been the strongest or quickest of players, but Bern and Jonno will know how to get a tune out of him and he’ll be playing alongside a more orthodox #9 in Hulme. Wish him, Jamie Morgan (the news of whom also signing for Radcliffe seems to have been glossed over somewhat in this thread) and our two former managers all the best for next season and for the future.
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Post by vandycandy on May 27, 2023 8:09:29 GMT
Still amazes me that those of us with strong opinions get called out for stating the hard facts. I was always consistent with Dudley, when I thought he had a good game I said so, when he did not I also said. I'm pleased he's been reunited with Bern & Jonno, imagine he will do well at that level as that is his level. People think I'm being harsh but I always thought he was average. I think the reason you get reactions is the way you put your strong opinions across. A prime example is saying Duds leaving is fantastic, you think he was average that's fine but a simple "that's the right decision for me" would have sufficed after all he has been a good club servant Point taken.
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Post by chesterken on May 27, 2023 14:06:36 GMT
Dudley started to split opinion after his first season as his fitness started to wain, especially through the inactive covid lockdowns. I think a lot of the frustration from some towards him is through unfulfilled potential. I personally liked him, he has obvious talent and always seemed genuine, he didn’t get interviewed often but if you actually bothered to listen to any of the ones he did he always gave a very honest appraisal of himself. Agree with the above that he’s probably come to accept where he is and what he’s capable of now. He’s our second top appearance holder and joint second top scorer since reformation, he’s served us well and there’s no doubt that the very least I want to wish someone who has that record for us is well for the future. Right time to move all in all I think but some great memories, the very best to him from me going forwards. I agree it was time for him to move on and perhaps play regularly.
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Post by bryndjones on May 30, 2023 15:15:16 GMT
17 on the books for next season so far. We probably need 7 more to make up the squad, some of which may be sourced from the scholars and loans.
GK cover RB cover Centre Back - maybe Kenyon Def Mid enforcer Centre Mid - maybe Whitehouse Attacker Striker
As a couple will inevitably go out on loan for further development, we should then have cover in every position.
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Post by chesterken on May 30, 2023 15:57:56 GMT
17 on the books for next season so far. We probably need 7 more to make up the squad, some of which may be sourced from the scholars and loans. GK cover RB cover Centre Back - maybe Kenyon Def Mid enforcer Centre Mid - maybe Whitehouse Attacker Striker As a couple will inevitably go out on loan for further development, we should then have cover in every position. With Taylor in the side we may need the centre backs to be a bit more mobile than Kenyon tbh, they would have to cover when Taylor goes on his runs upfield. Kenyon is solid enough but lacks massively when it comes to pace.
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