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Post by trev on Jul 19, 2017 19:23:06 GMT
I take your point and yet I see Macca's point too. It seems that what he is saying is that negativity is potentially damaging and he won't countenance it around the club. Whilst the second half of last season was awful, we have the opportunity to move on now with some renewed optimism. That has to be the better choice than languishing in the memory of misery surely? It seems to me that it's been tough for some regular posters on this board during this summer, with little or nothing to moan about. When a friendly match goes against us, the gloves are off again. Amazing. Some of the diatribe that was aimed at Macca and Mark McGuire on this board was shameful and adds no value to anything I tend to avoid the pre season games, (may go to one) as they have always seemed pretty meaningless to me and rarely serve as a reliable indicator for the season as a whole.. So success or otherwise will be judged from early August. Not like you to come out and defend McCarthy, Richard. Eventually you will conclude that you and your pals were wrong appointing him and Burr all those years ago. Fully respect your position Richard, but I am having difficulty with the reasoning of the remarks attributed to JM yesterday, such as, “I want to lose the negativity that is holding this club back. There’s an element of that and it needs to go. I need everybody out there to stop it, I won’t allow that negativity around my dressing room and the place". If he is not dwelling on the criticism he received last season, what exactly is the “negativity” he is now talking about ?
I'm not a JM fan, which probably makes me a serial moaner ! But I was quite impressed with how he got on with job with overhauling the squad and signing some good, proven players. Fans I spoke to who had pretty much given up, have like myself, bought season tickets or are now talking positively about the club again after what seems like ages. Then suddenly out of the blue, when things were looking up and the vast majority of fans being positive about the new season , he comes out with his latest diatribe. All very odd. He can't be feeling the pressure already ?
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Post by sqzl on Jul 19, 2017 19:36:46 GMT
I take your point and yet I see Macca's point too. It seems that what he is saying is that negativity is potentially damaging and he won't countenance it around the club. Whilst the second half of last season was awful, we have the opportunity to move on now with some renewed optimism. That has to be the better choice than languishing in the memory of misery surely? It seems to me that it's been tough for some regular posters on this board during this summer, with little or nothing to moan about. When a friendly match goes against us, the gloves are off again. Amazing. Some of the diatribe that was aimed at Macca and Mark McGuire on this board was shameful and adds no value to anything I tend to avoid the pre season games, (may go to one) as they have always seemed pretty meaningless to me and rarely serve as a reliable indicator for the season as a whole.. So success or otherwise will be judged from early August. Not like you to come out and defend McCarthy, Richard. Eventually you will conclude that you and your pals were wrong appointing him and Burr all those years ago. Lest we forget. I'm happy for JMc to move on but it doesn't mean that last season should just be wrote off. If we don't win at home by the end of September, being generous, that's most fans wanting him out, simple as that. |
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Post by chesterken on Jul 19, 2017 20:47:59 GMT
This is a massive overreaction to one poor performance in a pre season game I though we might at least get to the first league game before the knives came out, dear oh dear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:52:28 GMT
This is a massive overreaction to one poor performance in a pre season game I though we might at least get to the first league game before the knives came out, dear oh dear. Be interested to know how many pre season games you have been to Ken? I've been the lot and have seen nothing to give me hope |
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Post by chesterken on Jul 19, 2017 21:06:19 GMT
This is a massive overreaction to one poor performance in a pre season game I though we might at least get to the first league game before the knives came out, dear oh dear. Be interested to know how many pre season games you have been to Ken? I've been the lot and have seen nothing to give me hope I have never done pre season games as I know they don't mean a dam thing if it upsets you so much going then don't go, at least see what happens when we come up against Walsall and Port Vale when we have one team playing for most of the game instead of this constant chopping and changing. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Jul 19, 2017 21:08:15 GMT
This is a massive overreaction to one poor performance in a pre season game I though we might at least get to the first league game before the knives came out, dear oh dear. All the comments from people attending the games are exactly the same comments as were being made throughout the second half of last season. The hope was that lessons had been learnt but already, just judging by on field performances and JM's quotes in the media, it seems they haven't. Let us not forget that we have yet to play anyone remotely at National League standard and we've struggled. |
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Post by noddy on Jul 19, 2017 21:19:40 GMT
This is a massive overreaction to one poor performance in a pre season game I though we might at least get to the first league game before the knives came out, dear oh dear. Thing is Ken, minus the first page of comments regarding last night's friendly defeat the vast majority of postings are in relation to McCarthy's newspaper interview. I read the article two or three days ago and was appalled by it. All the positivities during the off season have been banished with that one article. Pre-season games don't interest me and I never attend them anyway, it's August 5 that matters but the contempt and apathy shown by McCarthy to our fantastic and loyal supporters who have parted with their hard earned and are entitled to their opinion leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth. Any other manager would have lost his job towards the end of last season, the man clearly has no humility and is a PR disaster. If he's feeling the pressure in pre-season got knows what dirge will come from his mouth if we get off to a slow start next season. |
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Post by jb on Jul 19, 2017 21:55:56 GMT
There has been some very good players signed this summer and the fact that we are getting torn apart by the likes of double relegation losers Altrincham points to the fact that our tactics and shape is wrong.
McCarthy was a disaster last season and looks like he will be again.
After getting a season ticket I'm actually now regretting the decision big time!
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Post by chesterken on Jul 20, 2017 6:29:31 GMT
This is a massive overreaction to one poor performance in a pre season game I though we might at least get to the first league game before the knives came out, dear oh dear. Thing is Ken, minus the first page of comments regarding last night's friendly defeat the vast majority of postings are in relation to McCarthy's newspaper interview. I read the article two or three days ago and was appalled by it. All the positivities during the off season have been banished with that one article. Pre-season games don't interest me and I never attend them anyway, it's August 5 that matters but the contempt and apathy shown by McCarthy to our fantastic and loyal supporters who have parted with their hard earned and are entitled to their opinion leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth. Any other manager would have lost his job towards the end of last season, the man clearly has no humility and is a PR disaster. If he's feeling the pressure in pre-season got knows what dirge will come from his mouth if we get off to a slow start next season. I agree he has said some daft things during the end of last season but its a fact that we have got some very sensitive souls on here who get offended very easily, do we want to become the next Southport sacking three managers a season because we can see how well that's worked for them. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 20, 2017 7:52:51 GMT
Thing is Ken, minus the first page of comments regarding last night's friendly defeat the vast majority of postings are in relation to McCarthy's newspaper interview. I read the article two or three days ago and was appalled by it. All the positivities during the off season have been banished with that one article. Pre-season games don't interest me and I never attend them anyway, it's August 5 that matters but the contempt and apathy shown by McCarthy to our fantastic and loyal supporters who have parted with their hard earned and are entitled to their opinion leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth. Any other manager would have lost his job towards the end of last season, the man clearly has no humility and is a PR disaster. If he's feeling the pressure in pre-season got knows what dirge will come from his mouth if we get off to a slow start next season. I agree he has said some daft things during the end of last season but its a fact that we have got some very sensitive souls on here who get offended very easily, do we want to become the next Southport sacking three managers a season because we can see how well that's worked for them. It's not a case of being 'offended'. I don't feel attacked by what he said, and he may even have a point that there's a little too much moaning and groaning in the stands sometimes. I do, however, worry that his attitude is not right. He's saying more about himself than he is about the fans. |
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Post by sqzl on Jul 20, 2017 8:32:28 GMT
I agree he has said some daft things during the end of last season but its a fact that we have got some very sensitive souls on here who get offended very easily, do we want to become the next Southport sacking three managers a season because we can see how well that's worked for them. It's not a case of being 'offended'. I don't feel attacked by what he said, and he may even have a point that there's a little too much moaning and groaning in the stands sometimes. I do, however, worry that his attitude is not right. He's saying more about himself than he is about the fans. I think it is a bit insulting to supporters to hint at them being remotely to blame for the second half of the seasons form. On that basis we would be totally responsible for the first half of the season then. I think Jmc needs to evaluate his interview technique to be honest. I think his interview was a genuine attempt at a 'rallying cry' gone terribly wrong, at least that's what i'd like to think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 8:43:08 GMT
Be interested to know how many pre season games you have been to Ken? I've been the lot and have seen nothing to give me hope I have never done pre season games as I know they don't mean a dam thing if it upsets you so much going then don't go, at least see what happens when we come up against Walsall and Port Vale when we have one team playing for most of the game instead of this constant chopping and changing. Ken, it was absolutely bloody rubbish at Alty
I would expect footballers at our level to be able to string a few passes together but we just punted it out of play for 90 mins
I haven't seen any improvement since the back end of last season and throughout pre season
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Post by superman on Jul 20, 2017 8:47:50 GMT
The CEO needs to have a word, and if John McCarthy won't or can't accept that his remarks are at best not well thought out and at worst grossly insulting then he should be disciplined for misconduct. He has been given a second chance and seems to be too pig headed to change his approach. If he stays he should keep to the footballing issues during interview and not get drawn into other areas. If he doesn't like it then for his own and our sanity he should go quickly. He seems like a man under extreme pressure, which of course he is after the second half of last season, and I fear the worst as this will soon rub off on the players and confidence and performances are likely to suffer.
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Post by richard on Jul 20, 2017 9:04:41 GMT
I take your point and yet I see Macca's point too. It seems that what he is saying is that negativity is potentially damaging and he won't countenance it around the club. Whilst the second half of last season was awful, we have the opportunity to move on now with some renewed optimism. That has to be the better choice than languishing in the memory of misery surely? It seems to me that it's been tough for some regular posters on this board during this summer, with little or nothing to moan about. When a friendly match goes against us, the gloves are off again. Amazing. Some of the diatribe that was aimed at Macca and Mark McGuire on this board was shameful and adds no value to anything I tend to avoid the pre season games, (may go to one) as they have always seemed pretty meaningless to me and rarely serve as a reliable indicator for the season as a whole.. So success or otherwise will be judged from early August. Not like you to come out and defend McCarthy, Richard. Eventually you will conclude that you and your pals were wrong appointing him and Burr all those years ago. And it's not like you to have an unfair pop eh fella? Of course it would be regrettable if things don't work out, but I wish everyone all the very best for the coming season. For the record though, I had no involvement in the recruitment of Steve Burr or Jon McCarthy into the football management posts. I did write a selection criteria document, but that was the extent of my contribution. |
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Post by Anders on Jul 20, 2017 9:59:42 GMT
I dread McCarthy interviews, I start reading or listening to one and have my fingers crossed the damage isn't going to be too bad. It shouldn't be that way but he's terrible for shooting himself in the foot, done it again here.
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Post by agl on Jul 20, 2017 10:55:49 GMT
His problem is that he just rambles on and sooner or later shoots himself in the foot. He did an interview on July 10 in which he said pretty much all the right things and no-one took any notice. In a way he's right about the negativity that surrounds the club but some things are best left unsaid....nothing fans hate more than being criticised, although it's fine for them to abuse manager, club staff and players. I thought he should have gone at the end of last season and he still seems to be in denial over a run that would have got 9 out of 10 managers sacked. I also don't want to hear any more about our low budget. It's his job to get his staff over-achieving not bang on about how we should be in the bottom six or what ever - but I will get behind him for now and see what happens in the first few games. Clearly there's an element of the fans base that want him to fail now so that they can be proved right. My worry is that it will infect the atmosphere at home games and that's bound to affect the players.
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Post by Si on Jul 20, 2017 12:02:19 GMT
I think he forgets the the fans are actually the owners, and he's telling the owners what they are allowed to think/say. Its wrong, and I really hope McGuire has asked him to engage his brain before coming out with stuff like this which can only harm the morale of everyone involved with the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 12:04:10 GMT
I agree with the broad brush idea behind this interview, in that negativity is not good for the club, but there is a good feeling amongst the supporter base at the moment? Season ticket sales are up, player sales gone well and recruitment has gone well etc. The second half of last season had been put away. This is what makes this statement so baffling?
I can only imagine being a board member, or one of the staff at the club, and reading that headline on Twitter. A desperate sigh and the thought of "oh God Jon, not again. Just when we were doing so well"...
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