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Post by whopper3 on Jul 19, 2017 21:56:19 GMT
Give him the first 6 games only. If we haven't started well he has to be sacked.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 19, 2017 22:06:27 GMT
End of October.
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Post by trev on Jul 19, 2017 22:24:34 GMT
If there is no real and consistent improvement, I would say he should go by the first week of October to allow a successor a decent chance of rescuing the season. 14 Matches should be more than enough to gauge whether he can deliver.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Jul 19, 2017 22:25:51 GMT
With the signings we've made. All
Being well we should get at least 6 points from the first three games. Ideally we should beat moors and pick up a positive result against Halifax as well. I'm not sure how fylde are going to get on? In this league Rio there will be a good third of the season gone come the end of October. If it's not going well I'd hope the board will have the guts to act.
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Post by embalmer on Jul 20, 2017 0:08:48 GMT
McCarthy would be very well advised to come on here and read the tone of the comments tonight - all caused by his ludicrous spouting off in the press.
Just to add - I'm generally fairly optimistic and would probably be described as a happy clapper by most people. I normally read this forum but haven't ever felt the need to contribute until now - so enraged was I by McCarthy's insensitive and disrespectful interview in the Chester Standard.
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Post by tarvinblue on Jul 20, 2017 5:19:36 GMT
I was willing to give him three months. He now gets 10 games maximum. It's becoming increasingly clear that he's learned nothing. He needs to win some games of football - simple. Fans would get off his back then. I just hope Maguire has stashed some cash away to pay JM off because it's looking very likely it's going to be needed.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 20, 2017 5:28:41 GMT
Tough question to answer. He should probably have been sacked already, and I wouldn't really complain if he were to get the boot tomorrow, with his ill-advised negativity comments being the final straw. I'm starting to think he's just a cloud of doom over a club heading in the right direction.
In the interests of a clean slate, he should probably get 10 games, but I can't see the fans being that patient. With one dodgy friendly performance and poor interview in the Standard, he's reminded everybody of dire things have been since new year, and suggested he still isn't taking responsibility.
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Post by blue4life on Jul 20, 2017 5:48:36 GMT
just read his interview so he's basically blaming the fans for last season, absolute clown.
I thought everyone has been positive (including me) about this season, season ticket sales prove that but his comments about fans being negative is a disgrace and I'd sack him tomorrow given the chance.
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Post by kyle on Jul 20, 2017 6:30:52 GMT
Would he be able to get away with this attitude in any other business?
Imagine a chef having a go at customers for not liking his food. It's utter madness
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Post by billyw on Jul 20, 2017 6:46:22 GMT
Got to be fair to the man so 20 minutes.  |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 20, 2017 6:55:00 GMT
I really don't know how to answer the question after that disgusting interview this week.
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Post by rcb on Jul 20, 2017 8:10:37 GMT
This stinks of a man desperate to get his hands on the money! Without being charged with gross misconduct and the possibility of summary dismissal (subject to the terms of his secret contract) I can't think of what more he could do to bring forward a handsome dismissal. He has isolated himself from a large number of fans as a consequence of performances since Christmas and subsequent distasteful interviews, and just when everything was looking positive he has chosen to resurrect the negativity, again blaming everyone else!!
The board needs to take every step to prevent him from getting a handsome payout. Surely he knows himself he is unemployable in a similar position.
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Post by bitbbh on Jul 20, 2017 8:12:22 GMT
That is quite some interview with McCarthy and totally inappropriate and certainly ill advised. Let's face it he was a dead man walking at the end of last season and I for one would have been happy to see a change. But the Board have backed him with a healthier budget and on paper the players he has brought in look a stronger more experienced squad. But as we all know you don't win football matches on paper. It is fair to say that the close season has been an optimistic time with very healthy season ticket sales and all that had gone before in 2017 banished to the archives with most fans keen to forget the horror show that it certainly was. Team selection, tactics and press interviews from hell were what we the fans and lets not forget proud owners of this magnificent football club were treated to.
So this Leader interview is quite remarkable in its contempt of how the Manager perceives the fans and owners, the people who pay his wages that he can kick the hornets nest and not expect the reaction it has provoked. If I was Jon McCarthy I would concentrate on winning back hearts and minds and saying sorry for what we have fans witnessed so far in 2017 and he is putting in all his efforts to ensure we don't continue this "Annus horribilis" because if he doesn't he might not be around to see in 2018.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 20, 2017 9:30:46 GMT
He's certainly not doing himself any favours is he.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Jul 20, 2017 11:35:19 GMT
No he is not. You going tonight Rio? I know it's only pre season but I'm hopeful of a more positive performance and display this evening. Back to JM clearly something went on last season that alienated certain members of the squad. That certainly had a knock on affect with the second half of last season. You can be almost certain that something similar will happen this season. It will be interesting to see what sort of shape and style of football we play this evening and in the two home friendliest. The interview is unbelievable. I hope someone has had a serious word with him as it's just not acceptable what he has said assuming he said it of course?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:35:23 GMT
Was really buzzing for new season after a very active pre season from club but very disheartened by Maccas comments.
I like him, still think he's the right man for the club but I just wish that he'd take at least some responsibility for our very poor form in the second half of last season. This latest interview blaming the fans, come on! Any negativity at a football club stems from either the pitch or the boardroom. In our case last season it was the on the pitch form that didn't help matters.
We Chester fans really don't ask for much. The majority are happy just to have a club to support. All we ask is that the lads and boss give their all.
We tolerate failure (we're pretty good at it) but we don't tolerate just doing the bare minimum and switching off with 4 months of the season to go.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 20, 2017 11:58:09 GMT
No he is not. You going tonight Rio? I know it's only pre season but I'm hopeful of a more positive performance and display this evening. Back to JM clearly something went on last season that alienated certain members of the squad. That certainly had a knock on affect with the second half of last season. You can be almost certain that something similar will happen this season. It will be interesting to see what sort of shape and style of football we play this evening and in the two home friendliest. The interview is unbelievable. I hope someone has had a serious word with him as it's just not acceptable what he has said assuming he said it of course? Unfortunately I can't attend tonight, but I will definitely be going to the two home games, hopefully to watch some successful performances. |
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 20, 2017 12:00:13 GMT
Is anyone prepared to come on here and say that his comments about Chester's fans being responsible for the slump in 2017 is justified. I continued to attend home and some away matches despite it being obvious that something was wrong. In the end we only stayed up because of a very generous referee at Torquay. I hope I'm wrong in suspecting that he feels he can say anything he likes because he knows that Mark Maguires will always back him to the hilt. Admitting faults and learning from them is a basic tenet of life. Blaming others is a way of avoiding self scrutiny.
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Post by Si on Jul 20, 2017 12:12:57 GMT
Was really buzzing for new season after a very active pre season from club but very disheartened by Maccas comments. I like him, still think he's the right man for the club but I just wish that he'd take at least some responsibility for our very poor form in the second half of last season. This latest interview blaming the fans, come on! Any negativity at a football club stems from either the pitch or the boardroom. In our case last season it was the on the pitch form that didn't help matters. We Chester fans really don't ask for much. The majority are happy just to have a club to support. All we ask is that the lads and boss give their all. We tolerate failure (we're pretty good at it) but we don't tolerate just doing the bare minimum and switching off with 4 months of the season to go. I'd just like a manager who doesn't feel the need to constantly reference budgets to try and lower expectations. We all know we are amongst the lowest payers but saying it over and over again won't make any difference, and it should never be a excuse for underperforming. The squad we've assembed on a low budget is (on paper) enough to keep us out of a relegation battle this season, so if we find ourselves fighting down there then its the responsibility lies with him I'm afraid. I'm willing to stick with the guy (not that we really have a choice) but I'd really like for him to show a bit of humility and smarten up his tactics. As has been said a few times, he has been backed in the transfer market so there's really no excuses left. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 12:14:45 GMT
Is anyone prepared to come on here and say that his comments about Chester's fans being responsible for the slump in 2017 is justified. I continued to attend home and some away matches despite it being obvious that something was wrong. In the end we only stayed up because of a very generous referee at Torquay. I hope I'm wrong in suspecting that he feels he can say anything he likes because he knows that Mark Maguires will always back him to the hilt. Admitting faults and learning from them is a basic tenet of life. Blaming others is a way of avoiding self scrutiny. Hows this? The board would decide on contracts for the football manager. The CEO wouldn't have any say in sacking the manager, and if he did he would be one voice in 10. Beyond doubt what kept Jon McCarthy in a job last season is the financial exposure faced by the club due to his contract extension, something that to be fair to the board was widely well received amongst supporters and on here at the time. Jon McCarthy needs to focus completely on the pitch, delete twitter and facebook off his phone, and the link to Devachat. What supporters say online is fluff and interference. What the team do on the pitch is his career and livelihood. I know which one I'd be concentrating on. |
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 20, 2017 12:22:50 GMT
Fair comments Mark, but who gave him the 2-year extension?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 12:25:52 GMT
The board pal. No expenditure of that magnitude would ever have been ratified by one person, especially not one who is not involved with the football side of the club. The CEO role at the club would (I imagine) be 20% procedural (HR, H&S, Utilities etc), and 80% commercial.
As I say above, the 2 year deal was a surprise at the time, but was warmly received by those in the fanbase online and matchgoing that I speak to.
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Jul 20, 2017 12:31:42 GMT
Is there a link to the article?
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 20, 2017 12:43:50 GMT
Is there a link to the article? There's a link on the new Chester FC website I think. |
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Post by rcb on Jul 20, 2017 12:46:52 GMT
Fair comments Mark, but who gave him the 2-year extension? Hit the nail on the head. But for that wholly unnecessary extension he would have been long gone, and doesn't he know it! He shows all the arrogance of his predecessor. Having had their fingers badly burnt with Burr I cannot believe the board dropped such a major clanger so shortly afterwards. Mind you, it's always easier spending someone else's money. I have no doubt that it is the duty of the board to ensure he does not get a big payout, which sadly means yet another season of treading water is the best we can hope for. |
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 20, 2017 12:47:22 GMT
The board pal. No expenditure of that magnitude would ever have been ratified by one person, especially not one who is not involved with the football side of the club. The CEO role at the club would (I imagine) be 20% procedural (HR, H&S, Utilities etc), and 80% commercial. As I say above, the 2 year deal was a surprise at the time, but was warmly received by those in the fanbase online and matchgoing that I speak to . As I thought, so will the board be reluctant to take action if the season doesn't go well as it will reflect badly on a major decision they have made? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 13:31:57 GMT
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Post by roman on Jul 20, 2017 13:58:14 GMT
For me you see how it is at Christmas.
Does anyone know what our player budget is compared to that of other clubs in the league? If we have the sixth worst budget expect to finish in that area. I dare say this wont be taken into consideration by many.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 14:02:21 GMT
Budget strengthened this season by Hughes and Alabi money, but will be low still I would imagine.
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Post by massivefloodlights on Jul 20, 2017 14:04:10 GMT
Loving all the pre season optimism. Macca gone by October? No chance, you couldn't afford to pay off his incredible deal.
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