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Post by Hannibal on Sept 7, 2017 14:31:14 GMT
Sounds promising. If he's so keen then he won't mind that we need to safe-guard ourselves with a clause or two if it all goes tits up. |
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Post by Imperial on Sept 7, 2017 14:38:06 GMT
For me I'd ideally have Holden, he ticks every box I think. Barrow would certainly do but I'm not he'd want it, we could afford any compensation & I'd worry that he could tarnish his reputation. God knows we've few enough heroes as it is! I think we'll end up with Bignot which is a perfectly reasonable appointment IMO. I've got some pretty big boxes called National League experience and managerial experience, both of which he doesn't have bar 3 months at Flint. Fair point. But he does know the region. Some of the names being suggested have experience but not much else. I'm pretty sure we'll end up with Bignot anyway. |
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Post by bing on Sept 7, 2017 14:42:02 GMT
Sounds promising. If he's so keen then he won't mind that we need to safe-guard ourselves with a clause or two if it all goes tits up. Judging by that interview, he's already read up about the club in great detail as he says all the right things regarding the community and the youth set up. |
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Post by Poppa on Sept 7, 2017 15:00:12 GMT
Says all the right things in that interview. Would be my choice of those mentioned so far. |
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Post by harrymac on Sept 7, 2017 15:33:10 GMT
I really fancy Bignot to get the job and fancied a tenner at the 6-1 quoted in the Chron earlier.
Odd now tumbled to 3-1 so he's now the bookies favourite...
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Post by paw2904 on Sept 7, 2017 15:37:26 GMT
Of the four names most mentioned the % win ratio of each of them across ALL their managerial career is interesting.
In alphabetical order:
Askey - 40.6%
Barrow - 32.6%
Bignot - 39.5%
Brabin - 47.3%
By way of comparison our two most recent Managers:
McCarthy: 30.6%
Burr: 41.2%
Couldn't find Neil Young's but I would imagine it would a high % - but for understandable reasons.
Comparing these guys with three of the best (leaving Club preferences to one side):
Clough : 46.5%
Ferguson: 58.1%
Mourinho: 65.4%
Despite the figures I would still go for Barrow or Bignot - unless Jose becomes available.....
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Post by thevoice on Sept 7, 2017 15:43:19 GMT
Highly unlikely Tom Shaw will apply for the job So looks like a fresh new boss will be installed
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 7, 2017 15:54:10 GMT
Bignot for me. Speaks highly of the club, understands what our aims are and is already jumping at the chance to be manager. Would be a great fit for us.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 7, 2017 16:31:47 GMT
Exciting times.
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Post by tonya on Sept 7, 2017 16:45:11 GMT
Get Gary Brabin in. There's no doubt about it, some of these players are taking the piss and he's just the type of bloke that would get them playing. Mahon for me needs a rocket...Astles needs telling how good he could be if he ate less pies and the same applies to Lynch. They've had the gently gently, great team spirit speech, my lads this, my lads that. If a big bastard like brabin tells you to do something then you do it. The players need to share the blame for this mess and this guy will get things moving. We aren't a play off team as we lack any sort of pace but we should be bullying some of the junk in this league. Brabin for me. I like your point about the players needing a rocket up their arses, but Brabin is a serial failure. The more I think about it the more that Bignot fits the bill. If only football management was that easy...shout at players...doesn't work. Bit like the shouting school teacher who gains resentment rather than respect. You need to be respected, make sense, expect and have high standards and 100% effort as read every game. Add to that the eye for a good player which implies also experience of our league. Tactical awareness. Self belief and a thick skin to deal with the reactions of fans when you don't win your first few games! And a lot more..... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 17:09:22 GMT
no thanks to bignot or askey or even barrow
give it tom shaw lets not be silly he knows the players best
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Post by noddy on Sept 7, 2017 17:11:59 GMT
no thanks to bignot or askey or even barrow give it tom shaw lets not be silly he knows the players best Are you on a wind up?? |
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Post by devavictrix on Sept 7, 2017 17:22:02 GMT
no thanks to bignot or askey or even barrow give it tom shaw lets not be silly he knows the players best Reeks of goat. |
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Post by billyw on Sept 7, 2017 17:49:59 GMT
Of the four names most mentioned the % win ratio of each of them across ALL their managerial career is interesting. In alphabetical order: Askey - 40.6% Barrow - 32.6% Bignot - 39.5% Brabin - 47.3% By way of comparison our two most recent Managers: McCarthy: 30.6% Burr: 41.2% Couldn't find Neil Young's but I would imagine it would a high % - but for understandable reasons. Comparing these guys with three of the best (leaving Club preferences to one side): Clough : 46.5% Ferguson: 58.1% Mourinho: 65.4% Despite the figures I would still go for Barrow or Bignot - unless Jose becomes available..... I didn't realise Brabin had such a good win rate - might change my mind. |
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Post by devavictrix on Sept 7, 2017 17:54:53 GMT
Of the four names most mentioned the % win ratio of each of them across ALL their managerial career is interesting. In alphabetical order: Askey - 40.6% Barrow - 32.6% Bignot - 39.5% Brabin - 47.3% By way of comparison our two most recent Managers: McCarthy: 30.6% Burr: 41.2% Couldn't find Neil Young's but I would imagine it would a high % - but for understandable reasons. Comparing these guys with three of the best (leaving Club preferences to one side): Clough : 46.5% Ferguson: 58.1% Mourinho: 65.4% Despite the figures I would still go for Barrow or Bignot - unless Jose becomes available..... I didn't realise Brabin had such a good win rate - might change my mind. He's done it with better players though surely? Or is it Southport and Tranmere win percentage? |
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Post by paw2904 on Sept 7, 2017 18:05:52 GMT
I didn't realise Brabin had such a good win rate - might change my mind. He's done it with better players though surely? Or is it Southport and Tranmere win percentage? From Wikipedia Southport April 2008- June 2008 P7 W5 D0 L2 Win%71.4 Cambridge United June 2008- July 2009 P54 W27 D14 L13 Win%50.0 Luton Town March 2011- March 2012 P62 W29 D22 L11 Win%46.8 Southport October 2014 -January 2015 P20 W7 D8 L5 Win%35.0 Tranmere Rovers May 2015 - Sept 2016 P60 W28 D15 L17 Win%46.7 Total P203 W96 D59 L48 Win%47.3 |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 7, 2017 18:11:32 GMT
no thanks to bignot or askey or even barrow give it tom shaw lets not be silly he knows the players best Are you on a wind up?? I think I smell one or two Goats on this thread! |
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Post by norwegianblue on Sept 7, 2017 18:11:40 GMT
Mark MaGuire: Very good Mr Bignot. Do you have any questions for us? Marcus Bignot: What is the budget for the rest of the season? Mark MaGuire: Well, ideally we need a good Cup run. Marcus Bignot: Ooops, sorry. Got to go, I think I left the gas on. Bye ! |
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Post by thevoice on Sept 7, 2017 18:19:08 GMT
no thanks to bignot or askey or even barrow give it tom shaw lets not be silly he knows the players best Dave Powell has indicated that Shaw will probably not apply for the job |
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Post by Jack on Sept 7, 2017 18:19:38 GMT
I don't think Brabin would actually be a bad shout. Whilst he's not my first choice, the difference in managing Tranmere and us is huge. If he was here, I think he'd thrive on being more of an underdog and upsetting the odds. He has a decent track record and is worth an interview.
I'm tending to lean towards Bignot at this stage, though. That interview in the Chron was well judged and sounded like a man who was very hungry for the role.
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Post by bonecrusher on Sept 7, 2017 18:26:32 GMT
Looks like there may be a few decent candidates about. Personally I like the idea of Bignot and he seems keen, and also Brabin. Definitely not Tom Shaw - not to say he won't make a good manager one day. I think anyone who comes in will know the budget situation, it's up to them to show how they can work within it.
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Post by tarvinblue on Sept 7, 2017 18:32:37 GMT
It's been Bignot for me since we started debating potential replacements towards the end of last season. Has a record of over-achievement on a budget at our level and a history of developing a whole football club - particularly the community side. Says all the right things in that interview and quite clearly fancies the role. Let's hope he's already got his application pack!
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 7, 2017 18:32:59 GMT
Mark MaGuire: Very good Mr Bignot. Do you have any questions for us? Marcus Bignot: What is the budget for the rest of the season? Mark MaGuire: Well, ideally we need a good Cup run. Marcus Bignot: Ooops, sorry. Got to go, I think I left the gas on. Bye ! Not funny. |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Sept 7, 2017 18:37:34 GMT
Bignot for me. Speaks highly of the club, understands what our aims are and is already jumping at the chance to be manager. Would be a great fit for us. I think RIO on the basis of what he achieved at Solihull Moors. He worked during his time there without a contract btw almost on a week in week out basis at times. He built their successful promotion winning side up over time on a shoestring budget. From what I have seen he encourages players to express themselves and play just as he did himself in his playing days. He has an eye for good young players and has brought a handful of them on i during his time there. I personally am pleased to hear he is keen on the job. His previous success has come without an open cheque book as well. Of those being branded about for our vacant managers job. He ticks more boxes. Let's see what develops. |
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Post by Paul Da Part on Sept 7, 2017 18:44:27 GMT
After reading the Bignot interview, then I've no doubts about it. He's the man to take this club on. The board need to act quickly to get this one done. We dwelled on sacking a manager, please, let's be proactive & get a manager hired. Bignot's Blue & White Army!
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 7, 2017 19:08:24 GMT
If the board are so keen to "do things the proper way" then why was McCarthy allowed to give a job to Tom Shaw without following the appropriate protocol? Has the board decided to be whiter than white, opted for double standards, or elected to have a three week delay just for the sake of it? Surely no secret agenda in favour of anyone in particular. Sorry, but 2017 makes me very cynical. The right man is out there, and will be in the stands on Saturday, and can start next Monday, so why the delay? The Manager is appointed, then puts together his coaching team. Would be ridiculous to go through an application process. His coaching team comes out of his squad budget. More coaches, less players.That's his area to manage as he sees fit, subject to diligence from the Board. Wouldn't expect players to apply and have an interview, would you? The problem with the last appointment was that one of the key criteria was the Community area. Given that, the Community Officer who'd just won games ended up the strongest candidate. As soon as you saw the job criteria you knew who'd get it. It could have been written with him in mind. Maybe it was. Let's just get the best manager in. Just a thought regarding Andy Holden, would he come as an assistant? That way we get some future job progression from in house. He can't be earning much at Flint, and would maybe prefer to work full time at a higher level. Realise he probably wouldn't, but worth an ask depending on whoever gets the gig. Would have different contacts from the manager. |
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Post by rcb on Sept 7, 2017 19:16:56 GMT
Based on the previous interview process it's obvious the Board didn't have a clue how to pick a football manager, and the successful candidate didn't have a clue how to be a football manager. With McCarthy now sacked we have only solved one of the problems.
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Post by blueboiiiii76 on Sept 7, 2017 19:25:41 GMT
Bignot has built a club from the bottom up, he has worked with youngsters, he's developed youngsters, he's brought good players into Solihull and Grimsby from lower levels who have excelled so clearly he has an eye for talent and a good team of people around who work closely with him.
He took Omar abogle and developed him, now in the Championship, Omari Sterling now at Mansfield, Jamey osborne and Sam Jones are the best players at Grimsby and let's not forget our own Harry white.
Seems a no brainer, he will steady the ship and get the good times going here again
Marcus Bignot's Blue n White Army 🔵⚪️🔵
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Post by richard on Sept 7, 2017 19:33:10 GMT
If the board are so keen to "do things the proper way" then why was McCarthy allowed to give a job to Tom Shaw without following the appropriate protocol? Has the board decided to be whiter than white, opted for double standards, or elected to have a three week delay just for the sake of it? Surely no secret agenda in favour of anyone in particular. Sorry, but 2017 makes me very cynical. The right man is out there, and will be in the stands on Saturday, and can start next Monday, so why the delay? The Manager is appointed, then puts together his coaching team. Would be ridiculous to go through an application process. His coaching team comes out of his squad budget. More coaches, less players.That's his area to manage as he sees fit, subject to diligence from the Board. Wouldn't expect players to apply and have an interview, would you? The problem with the last appointment was that one of the key criteria was the Community area. Given that, the Community Officer who'd just won games ended up the strongest candidate. As soon as you saw the job criteria you knew who'd get it. It could have been written with him in mind. Maybe it was. Let's just get the best manager in. Just a thought regarding Andy Holden, would he come as an assistant? That way we get some future job progression from in house. He can't be earning much at Flint, and would maybe prefer to work full time at a higher level. Realise he probably wouldn't, but worth an ask depending on whoever gets the gig. Would have different contacts from the manager. Harry, Just to reassure you the selection criteria was most definitely not written with any candidate in mind. I completely agree about your comments regarding the selection of an assistant. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 7, 2017 19:44:27 GMT
If the board are so keen to "do things the proper way" then why was McCarthy allowed to give a job to Tom Shaw without following the appropriate protocol? Has the board decided to be whiter than white, opted for double standards, or elected to have a three week delay just for the sake of it? Surely no secret agenda in favour of anyone in particular. Sorry, but 2017 makes me very cynical. The right man is out there, and will be in the stands on Saturday, and can start next Monday, so why the delay? The Manager is appointed, then puts together his coaching team. Would be ridiculous to go through an application process. His coaching team comes out of his squad budget. More coaches, less players.That's his area to manage as he sees fit, subject to diligence from the Board. Wouldn't expect players to apply and have an interview, would you? The problem with the last appointment was that one of the key criteria was the Community area. Given that, the Community Officer who'd just won games ended up the strongest candidate. As soon as you saw the job criteria you knew who'd get it. It could have been written with him in mind. Maybe it was. Let's just get the best manager in. Just a thought regarding Andy Holden, would he come as an assistant? That way we get some future job progression from in house. He can't be earning much at Flint, and would maybe prefer to work full time at a higher level. Realise he probably wouldn't, but worth an ask depending on whoever gets the gig. Would have different contacts from the manager. I highly doubt Holden would consider us as "future job progression" as an assistant manager considering he's previously held that role at Everton, Hibs and Rotherham and is only really using his hometown club Flint as a retirement home. |
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