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Post by billyw on Nov 25, 2017 14:54:35 GMT
How can you blame him? We are a mess on and off the field, Bignot has inherited a fetid carcass of a squad with players unfit, unbalanced, and just piss poor. Oh and we've just lost a shit load of money in the process before we brought him in. These lads he's brought in are on peanuts, absolute peanuts, there's no budget left, it was pissed up the wall by the board authorising the cockless wonder McCarthy to blow it all on the shit. It's not Bignot's fault we are were we are. It's a succession of weak boards who have just allowed it all to happen. We're going down I'm afraid I completely agree with this. It's easy to say things like "he's out of ideas", "why's Astles coming on up front?" but does anyone have any better suggestions? He's working with what he's got, and it's not enough. It's not enough because we have players like Archer, White, Shaw, Mahon out injured. Players with innocuous injuries are always out for weeks - I think it's about time we looked at the capabilities of our medical team.
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Post by whopper3 on Nov 25, 2017 14:54:39 GMT
"The thing is you can't really judge the manager because he's taken over a shocking team with zero budget."
Utter rubbish.
The budget was the best it has been in years thanks to Sam Hughes fee.
we should be mid table at worst with our budget however we are mismanaged from top to bottom of the club.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Nov 25, 2017 14:56:21 GMT
How can you blame him? We are a mess on and off the field, Bignot has inherited a fetid carcass of a squad with players unfit, unbalanced, and just piss poor. Oh and we've just lost a shit load of money in the process before we brought him in. These lads he's brought in are on peanuts, absolute peanuts, there's no budget left, it was pissed up the wall by the board authorising the cockless wonder McCarthy to blow it all on the shit. It's not Bignot's fault we are were we are. It's a succession of weak boards who have just allowed it all to happen. We're going down I'm afraid I completely agree with this. It's easy to say things like "he's out of ideas", "why's Astles coming on up front?" but does anyone have any better suggestions? He's working with what he's got, and it's not enough. How about Halls off,Astles on but at the back and keep Bell on.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 25, 2017 14:57:20 GMT
The mistakes were made before he arrived. He's got absolutely nothing to work with, this squad is an embarrassment.
Bell is a waste of space, Halls shouldnt be in this division, McCoombe is poor, the list goes on...
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Post by agl on Nov 25, 2017 14:59:30 GMT
Jimmy Soul would have done a better job up front than Bell today.
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Post by trublu on Nov 25, 2017 15:00:16 GMT
"The thing is you can't really judge the manager because he's taken over a shocking team with zero budget." Utter rubbish. The budget was the best it has been in years thanks to Sam Hughes fee. we should be mid table at worst with our budget however we are mismanaged from top to bottom of the club. You really arguing that the team is not shocking and Bignot has a big budget to spend? Youre in cloud cukoo land pal.
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Post by sqzl on Nov 25, 2017 15:00:51 GMT
I'm afraid I completely agree with this. It's easy to say things like "he's out of ideas", "why's Astles coming on up front?" but does anyone have any better suggestions? He's working with what he's got, and it's not enough. How about Halls off,Astles on but at the back and keep Bell on. Bell was about as much use as his namesake, by that I mean the piece of metal that tends to have a ball in. It was suggested on another thread he's out best striker! God help us if that's what people think.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Nov 25, 2017 15:03:16 GMT
I'm afraid I completely agree with this. It's easy to say things like "he's out of ideas", "why's Astles coming on up front?" but does anyone have any better suggestions? He's working with what he's got, and it's not enough. How about Halls off,Astles on but at the back and keep Bell on. Keep Bell on? He was beyond dire.
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Post by sqzl on Nov 25, 2017 15:06:09 GMT
So much being said about the defence and it was terrible, but it got worse when we went to a back 4 for sure. Must admit though I thought the midfield was just as bad as the defence second half! Dawson played very negative, no forward passing bar a few long balls and he was diabolical defensively today, poor penalty, not close enough to the man edge of box for second (although James could also be blamed for that) I thought KJ and Dawson had the hold of the game first half, then second was like some form of nightmare for them both? What happened?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 15:07:46 GMT
So many player still look overweight? Lynch, McCombs, Halls and Astles all got pots, some bigger than others. It is no wonder our mistakes come in the last half hour.
Is it true they are all going out on the piss next Saturday as a team building exercise? BT reported it is being paid for by the club? I sincerley fkg hope not.
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Post by rcb on Nov 25, 2017 15:08:45 GMT
Gough at fault for three goals, and he wasn’t signed by McCarthy.
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Post by agl on Nov 25, 2017 15:10:05 GMT
Dawson's head seemed to go after giving away the penalty. James is so slow it's unbelievable but at least he tried to get us moving forwards and look for the through ball.
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Post by jayhawks on Nov 25, 2017 15:10:45 GMT
A promising 1st half that turned into a shambolic 2nd half culminating in the act of desperation sticking The Walrus up front.
Completely lost all shape and were severely punished.
BRING BACK 4-4-2
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Post by southernblue on Nov 25, 2017 15:11:45 GMT
Honestly don't know where we go from that. The only positive I can cling to is that the parallels between this and the Atkins season are continuing. Atkins inherited a terrible side and it did take him a while to get going, it was the battering against Brighton that lead to a change of form. Maybe that was the Brighton moment? But it's going to take a monumental effort to keep us up. Two weeks without a fixture now, and we need it. Yes, but we still went down.
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Post by agl on Nov 25, 2017 15:12:00 GMT
Gough at fault for three goals, and he wasn’t signed by McCarthy. Yup he had a shocker but he's been good in other games. Think there's a decent player there.
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Post by Si on Nov 25, 2017 15:12:26 GMT
First half was fine, if anything we shaded it. Second half it fell apart and it was a defensive horror show once they got their noses in front. Don't mind giving Astles a go up top for a few mins but for half an hour is a sin of desperation.
Bell is an absolute donkey who belongs in the Welsh Premier. Football wise he is similar to Hobson but at least Hobbo ran his nuts off. Who the hell does Bell think he is that he can stroll around and not chase anything down? Lynch, Halls and McCombe also running Bell close for worst performance of the day.
After all the hard work on the road over the last week it counts for nothing when you can't win your home games. Badly need Mahon back to offer some spark.
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Post by southernblue on Nov 25, 2017 15:13:28 GMT
I'm afraid I completely agree with this. It's easy to say things like "he's out of ideas", "why's Astles coming on up front?" but does anyone have any better suggestions? He's working with what he's got, and it's not enough. It's not enough because we have players like Archer, White, Shaw, Mahon out injured. Players with innocuous injuries are always out for weeks - I think it's about time we looked at the capabilities of our medical team. Too many hospital balls have contributed to our crisis, exactly why we are missing Halls-johnson.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 25, 2017 15:13:55 GMT
Just goes to show the difference in class they miss a penalty then go on the attack against 11 men to score 4 we miss a penalty sit back and concede a goal against 10 men
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 15:17:22 GMT
So much being said about the defence and it was terrible, but it got worse when we went to a back 4 for sure. Must admit though I thought the midfield was just as bad as the defence second half! Dawson played very negative, no forward passing bar a few long balls and he was diabolical defensively today, poor penalty, not close enough to the man edge of box for second (although James could also be blamed for that) I thought KJ and Dawson had the hold of the game first half, then second was like some form of nightmare for them both? What happened? I think a lot of it was just due to Dagenham playing a lot better second half. On BT you saw Still giving them a right bollocking in the dressing room and you could tell they were going to come out fired up. We didn't capitalise when we had the period of dominance in the first half, and the missed penalty could've been a turning point, but we still seemed unfocused and conceded a minute later. Just checked and when Still first became a manager, Bignot was two years old!
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 25, 2017 15:18:38 GMT
I know its no consolation but Solihull & Guiseley are losing
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 25, 2017 15:19:18 GMT
I didn't realise that it was 4-0, I was on my way after the 2nd and caught the 3rd on TV. I realised at Brisbane Road on Tuesday after the missed penalty that we cannot win even when the ref is kind to us. I not only think we will be relegated, but I think we will finish 24th and I doubt we'll win another 2 or 3 games this season. Bignot must take some of the blame because the defence was crying out to be shored up and he puts Astles up front, which is an experiment that has already been tried and failed. We were given a massive let off by the missed penalty and were behind 30 seconds later. I jokingly said that the ground needs an exorcism because there's something completely sinister going on there. I feel that Bignot's resignation is just around the corner because he's faced with a completely impossible task with this bunch of third raters.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 15:24:12 GMT
I disagree with the criticism of putting Astles in up front. There's not much point in "shoring up the defence" when we're 1-0 down, we needed to change something up front and that was really the only option. Astles did basically what you wanted him to up front, won headers, bashed people about. It's not the answer but I think it was the only option.
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Post by southernblue on Nov 25, 2017 15:25:07 GMT
So many player still look overweight? Lynch, McCombs, Halls and Astles all got pots, some bigger than others. It is no wonder our mistakes come in the last half hour. Is it true they are all going out on the piss next Saturday as a team building exercise? BT reported it is being paid for by the club? I sincerley fkg hope not. Why not, most companies pay for Christmas parties, we haven't got a game that weekend, Harry McNally took the lads out regularly and it worked a treat for team spirit. Until recently I played national League level in another sport and the occasional night out with your team mates really does bond you. You bring a greater collective sense of purpose and camaraderie onto the pitch when you are with team mates you go drinking with.
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Post by Matt on Nov 25, 2017 15:26:33 GMT
So many player still look overweight? Lynch, McCombs, Halls and Astles all got pots, some bigger than others. It is no wonder our mistakes come in the last half hour. Is it true they are all going out on the piss next Saturday as a team building exercise? BT reported it is being paid for by the club? I sincerley fkg hope not. Why not, most companies pay for Christmas parties, we haven't got a game that weekend, Harry McNally took the lads out regularly and it worked a treat for team spirit. Until recently I played national League level in another sport and the occasional night out with your team mates really does bond you. You bring a greater collective sense of purpose and camaraderie onto the pitch when you are with team mates you go drinking with. Disgrace if it's true, they deserve to have their contracts terminated not be rewarded with money from the paying fans.
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Post by paulie on Nov 25, 2017 15:27:07 GMT
I disagree with the criticism of putting Astles in up front. There's not much point in "shoring up the defence" when we're 1-0 down, we needed to change something up front and that was really the only option. Astles did basically what you wanted him to up front, won headers, bashed people about. It's not the answer but I think it was the only option. The Sunday league tactic of "stick the big lad upfront" it's embarrassing!
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 15:27:30 GMT
I know its no consolation but Solihull & Guiseley are losing And Orient 1-0 down at Torquay. Probably the best scoreline for us from that fixture. Barrow also losing.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 15:29:29 GMT
I disagree with the criticism of putting Astles in up front. There's not much point in "shoring up the defence" when we're 1-0 down, we needed to change something up front and that was really the only option. Astles did basically what you wanted him to up front, won headers, bashed people about. It's not the answer but I think it was the only option. The Sunday league tactic of "stick the big lad upfront" it's embarrassing! It is a bit, but what else can we do?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Nov 25, 2017 15:35:05 GMT
"The thing is you can't really judge the manager because he's taken over a shocking team with zero budget." Utter rubbish. The budget was the best it has been in years thanks to Sam Hughes fee. we should be mid table at worst with our budget however we are mismanaged from top to bottom of the club. Don’t you realise that McCarthy spent the budget and not Bignot? To put the record straight, Bignot has inherited a disgraceful team with no money.
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Post by superman on Nov 25, 2017 15:35:48 GMT
Too many players in the squad who are simply not good enough, be they McCarthy recruits or additions Bignot has made. Weak from front to back and side to side, no leadership, and tactically inept. If you think the injured players will make a significant difference, think again. This may be defeatist but if it is possible to start planning for Conference North now we should do it, otherwise the malaise will carry over as it did from last season. I would rather some of the younger players were given the chance to get experience now, even if it will be tough for them, at least we can then see if they are realistic prospects for the future. I remain to be convinced that Bignot is the answer, some improvement in performances but not in terms of results. Notice today he was ranting at players from the side lines, not a good sign, although they were some bad individual mistakes which were punished.
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Post by MPW on Nov 25, 2017 15:37:52 GMT
Let’s look on the brightside, at least we’ve got plenty of time to prepare for Conference North!
There are only so many times that you can flirt with relegation before the inevitable happens!
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