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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 25, 2017 15:37:58 GMT
Torquay 2-0 v Orient Halifax 2 down and goats losing and a beer in hand this afternoon is slowly improving
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Nov 25, 2017 15:38:09 GMT
Second half was shocking. Injuries haven’t helped but we need an experienced manager with experience of relegation dogfights. I don’t think Bignot has that. At 1-0 we shou”d have ensured they didn’t get a second then go for broke in last stages of the game. A point is much better than a hiding which is demoralising and destroying our goal average. Sorry, horrendous injuries but poor management today. Tactics left us looking worse than we are.
And send Bell back to anywhere. His lack of effort today was insulting to the supporters who stood in that shocking weather. Disgrace.
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Post by Maravilla on Nov 25, 2017 15:40:53 GMT
Lynch gets off far too lightly for me.
The only thing he is decent at is shot stopping - but what professional goalkeeper isn't a decent shot stopper?
Shocking distribution, decision making, command of area and communication.
Add to that he is overweight and loves a piss up more than getting himself in shape and I'm not sure what he is still doing in our starting 11.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Nov 25, 2017 15:41:02 GMT
Why not, most companies pay for Christmas parties, we haven't got a game that weekend, Harry McNally took the lads out regularly and it worked a treat for team spirit. Until recently I played national League level in another sport and the occasional night out with your team mates really does bond you. You bring a greater collective sense of purpose and camaraderie onto the pitch when you are with team mates you go drinking with. Disgrace if it's true, they deserve to have their contracts terminated not be rewarded with money from the paying fans. Yes, it is true that the players are going out next weekend. |
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Post by paulie on Nov 25, 2017 15:45:49 GMT
Disgrace if it's true, they deserve to have their contracts terminated not be rewarded with money from the paying fans. Yes, it is true that the players are going out next weekend. On OUR money! |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 25, 2017 15:47:29 GMT
How can you blame him? We are a mess on and off the field, Bignot has inherited a fetid carcass of a squad with players unfit, unbalanced, and just piss poor. Oh and we've just lost a shit load of money in the process before we brought him in. These lads he's brought in are on peanuts, absolute peanuts, there's no budget left, it was pissed up the wall by the board authorising the cockless wonder McCarthy to blow it all on the shit. It's not Bignot's fault we are were we are. It's a succession of weak boards who have just allowed it all to happen. We're going down I'm afraid I completely agree with this. It's easy to say things like "he's out of ideas", "why's Astles coming on up front?" but does anyone have any better suggestions? He's working with what he's got, and it's not enough. Completely agree with the bit in bold. The only half-decent board member stepped down and we're left with a non-communicating shambles. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 25, 2017 15:49:00 GMT
I disagree with the criticism of putting Astles in up front. There's not much point in "shoring up the defence" when we're 1-0 down, we needed to change something up front and that was really the only option. Astles did basically what you wanted him to up front, won headers, bashed people about. It's not the answer but I think it was the only option. So letting in another 3 goals helps the situation then? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 15:50:22 GMT
poor players rotten Manager and an incompetent CEO. and how would you change things .looking for constructive answer not abuse |
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Post by shango on Nov 25, 2017 15:53:58 GMT
poor players rotten Manager and an incompetent CEO. and how would you change things .looking for constructive answer not abuse Wasting you're time there fella. Big Si requested the same other week and surprisingly got sweet f.a. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 25, 2017 15:55:29 GMT
Lynch gets off far too lightly for me. The only thing he is decent at is shot stopping - but what professional goalkeeper isn't a decent shot stopper? Shocking distribution, decision making, command of area and communication. Add to that he is overweight and loves a piss up more than getting himself in shape and I'm not sure what he is still doing in our starting 11. I also think Lynch is a liability. At Orient his inability to clear a header which glanced off the top of the striker's head went in and the second was a strike from distance which he should have had covered. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 15:56:39 GMT
I disagree with the criticism of putting Astles in up front. There's not much point in "shoring up the defence" when we're 1-0 down, we needed to change something up front and that was really the only option. Astles did basically what you wanted him to up front, won headers, bashed people about. It's not the answer but I think it was the only option. So letting in another 3 goals helps the situation then? Course not, but you've got to take a bit of a risk and change something if you're 1-0 down. Psychologically it's a kicking, but it doesn't really make a lot of difference whether you lose 1-0 or 4-0. |
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Post by Si on Nov 25, 2017 15:57:20 GMT
and how would you change things .looking for constructive answer not abuse Wasting you're time there fella. Big Si requested the same other week and surprisingly got sweet f.a. Eventually I got a reply from him on pm. He truly expects the fans to have a whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and the players he doesn't think are good enough. Bearing in mind we raised about 2k for Build Bignot Budget, I would be interested to hear how we would get on with a public fundraising campaign to sack the majority of our staff. |
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Post by billyw on Nov 25, 2017 15:57:42 GMT
I know its no consolation but Solihull & Guiseley are losing Definitely no consolation - all 3 will be relegated. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 25, 2017 15:58:20 GMT
As bad a second half as I can ever remember. Unless some of McCarthys signing are binned we will be certainties for relegation. In need of a decent centre back to replace McCombe. Halls was dire. Askey did a cracking job off loading that pair on to us.
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Post by tonya on Nov 25, 2017 15:58:59 GMT
I didn't realise that it was 4-0, I was on my way after the 2nd and caught the 3rd on TV. I realised at Brisbane Road on Tuesday after the missed penalty that we cannot win even when the ref is kind to us. I not only think we will be relegated, but I think we will finish 24th and I doubt we'll win another 2 or 3 games this season. Bignot must take some of the blame because the defence was crying out to be shored up and he puts Astles up front, which is an experiment that has already been tried and failed. We were given a massive let off by the missed penalty and were behind 30 seconds later. I jokingly said that the ground needs an exorcism because there's something completely sinister going on there. I feel that Bignot's resignation is just around the corner because he's faced with a completely impossible task with this bunch of third raters. How long is his contract? If he resigned soon that would signal the end of his management career. He spoke up the potential of the club, (as all prospective job candidates obviously have to do!) He needs to stay for his own good, but I hope its not the end of him and us at the end of the season. If we were relegated it would be catastrophic. |
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Post by Cestrian For Life on Nov 25, 2017 15:59:25 GMT
Worst performance for many years. Personally, I don't really blame Bignot. He is trying to bring in players but quite clearly has no money at all. He has inherited some of the worst footballers in this League. McCombe and Halls are both beyond dreadful and need to be binned off immediately. We need to build from the back, get a commanding keeper (surely one of the four is better than Lynch), a much quicker centre half to play with Astles (in his PROPER position) and we need Tom Shaw or similar in the centre of midfield. I think if we were solid in defence, the midfield and attack would start to fall into place. But we are always on the back foot thanks to our weakness at the rear.
That hurt today, I'm not sure it hurt the players in the slightest. It hurt more because Dagenham were bang average and very beatable. And in the end they were unlucky to only win by 4.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 25, 2017 16:00:38 GMT
I didn't realise that it was 4-0, I was on my way after the 2nd and caught the 3rd on TV. I realised at Brisbane Road on Tuesday after the missed penalty that we cannot win even when the ref is kind to us. I not only think we will be relegated, but I think we will finish 24th and I doubt we'll win another 2 or 3 games this season. Bignot must take some of the blame because the defence was crying out to be shored up and he puts Astles up front, which is an experiment that has already been tried and failed. We were given a massive let off by the missed penalty and were behind 30 seconds later. I jokingly said that the ground needs an exorcism because there's something completely sinister going on there. I feel that Bignot's resignation is just around the corner because he's faced with a completely impossible task with this bunch of third raters. How long is his contract? If he resigned soon that would signal the end of his management career. He spoke up the potential of the club, (as all prospective job candidates obviously have to do!) He needs to stay for his own good, but I hope its not the end of him and us at the end of the season. If we were relegated it would be catastrophic. Don't you mean when? I like Marcus and believe he has potential as a manager. When he came in he said he knew what was required of him, but I suspect that he underestimated the size of the task. I doubt Pep Guardiola could keep this bunch of non-footballers up. There will come a point when he realises that his personal well-being and mental stability will be compromised and he will need to think of stepping away from what must be a highly pressured situation. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Nov 25, 2017 16:02:11 GMT
Totally depressing second half - an utter capitulation after a pretty even 1st half. I don't really know where to start on it although most has been covered. Bollocks performances from everyone, injuries galore with a crap squad who are nowhere good enough at this level (that new lad Jordan Slew is out of his depth at this level I'm afraid to say IMO) and I'm sorry to say a manager that already looks like he has had the life sucked out of him by this shite squad. If he keeps us up it will be a miracle. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he jacks it in. I'm not blaming Bignot for getting us in this mess because he didn't assembly most of that sqaud but being truthful there hasn't really been an upturn in results since he took over (yet maybe - and that's what we're all clinging onto) and the performances at Kidderminster, and today's second half debacle were as bad as anything I have seen watching Chester since we reformed. Surely we can set up to be at the very least well organised, drilled and committed? At this point however there is too much messing about with the team and they don't look like they have a clue, but to mawe it worse they genuinely couldn't be arsed as soon as the second one went in. Relegation is a certainty from what I can see.
Comments from a certain WUM on here as as annoying as usual but, bloody hell the players aren't half giving him loads of material to use.
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Post by billyw on Nov 25, 2017 16:02:26 GMT
Why not, most companies pay for Christmas parties, we haven't got a game that weekend, Harry McNally took the lads out regularly and it worked a treat for team spirit. Until recently I played national League level in another sport and the occasional night out with your team mates really does bond you. You bring a greater collective sense of purpose and camaraderie onto the pitch when you are with team mates you go drinking with. Disgrace if it's true, they deserve to have their contracts terminated not be rewarded with money from the paying fans. Can't see that it matters much - they played today as if they were pissed, can they be any worse. |
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Post by trev on Nov 25, 2017 16:02:53 GMT
Today was so shocking as it laid bare how poor we still are. Whilst we have injuries, would Turnbull or White have really added much, although may be Shaw and Mahon would perhaps provide at least more energy the team clearly lacks. Overall, Bignot has tried practically everything to try and find a tactical formula which can work consistently with such a deficient and one-paced squad. It all felt a bit desperate today when Astles was thrown up-front (ala McCarthy). Aspects of selection and tactics were questionable today , as were the contributions of MBs recent signings (Gough, Rainey and the very young sub. ) But ultimately, it was the seriously shoddy performances, questionable commitment and lack of leadership of the so-called senior pros today who have let the Club down yet again. Halls was to blame for 2 goals, McCombe is far too slow, LRT not focused and ball watching, James could not find a decent pass with both Hannah and Bell doing very little to justify a place in any team. Why on earth did the board allow McCarthy to create this shambles, when his utter lack of managerial ability was so plainly obvious back in April ? I am now of the opinion that Bignot has little to no chance of turning this round given the abject squad of players he has so unnecessarily inherited, with little money and perhaps unfairly, given his comparative lack of experience to fix such a monumental mess.
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Post by shango on Nov 25, 2017 16:03:52 GMT
Wasting you're time there fella. Big Si requested the same other week and surprisingly got sweet f.a. Eventually I got a reply from him on pm. He truly expects the fans to have a whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and the players he doesn't think are good enough. Bearing in mind we raised about 2k for Build Bignot Budget, I would be interested to hear how we would get on with a public fundraising campaign to sack the majority of our staff. Ah stand corrected,Cheers Si. So his answer was the same utter drivel as usual then?Let me guess,he'll also use his magic money tree to bring in a new manager as well? Well as he is a loyal volunteer then maybe he can make it happen and lead our club into a brave new world eh? |
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Post by rcb on Nov 25, 2017 16:04:02 GMT
So letting in another 3 goals helps the situation then? Course not, but you've got to take a bit of a risk and change something if you're 1-0 down. Psychologically it's a kicking, but it doesn't really make a lot of difference whether you lose 1-0 or 4-0. Our relegation position in 2014 was decided by goal difference(two worse than Hereford), so it does make a lot of difference. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Nov 25, 2017 16:04:41 GMT
Wasting you're time there fella. Big Si requested the same other week and surprisingly got sweet f.a. Eventually I got a reply from him on pm. He truly expects the fans to have a whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and the players he doesn't think are good enough. Bearing in mind we raised about 2k for Build Bignot Budget, I would be interested to hear how we would get on with a public fundraising campaign to sack the majority of our staff. A whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and all the crap players is surely going to be around £150000 minimum. How the hell does he truly expect us to do that? |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 16:10:22 GMT
Course not, but you've got to take a bit of a risk and change something if you're 1-0 down. Psychologically it's a kicking, but it doesn't really make a lot of difference whether you lose 1-0 or 4-0. Our relegation position in 2014 was decided by goal difference(two worse than Hereford), so it does make a lot of difference. If we go down on goal difference, I'd be looking back more at games we drew but should have won (like Orient) or lose but should've drawn (like Maidstone) than ones where we lost 4-0 instead of 1-0. Playing to keep the score down, especially at home, is not going to get us anywhere and is the sort of thing McCarthy did. You've got to take risks and try to change defeats into draws, even if it means you might end up losing by more. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 16:13:10 GMT
Horrible memories of Kidderminster flooded back today after another abject, spineless and weak performance against a decidedly average D&R.
I can accept injuries, referees etc. as factors
I can accept bad luck, financial constraits etc.
I can accept being beaten by the better side
But, I CAN'T ACCEPT a lack of desire, aggression and basic footballing nouse which should be a minimum for ANY player
At 0-3, I said to my 82yr old mother that D&R could score again, it was too easy
Her reply? "Well,they've got nothing to beat" Sums it up!!!!
Surprised the reaction at the end was as muted as it was compared to Kiddie but maybe, by then, we'd all given up.
Many years ago I watched Luton in the old Div1.
One year, they had 7 or so points at Xmas and knew they were doomed.
They decided to go out in a blaze of glory, went hell for leather in every game, and very nearly escaped.
They didn't but came close but, my God, it was exciting!
Is this approach our only realistic hope?
Because as it stands, we're not staying up!
We're simply not good enough and OTHER TEAMS KNOW IT!
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Post by Si on Nov 25, 2017 16:16:03 GMT
Eventually I got a reply from him on pm. He truly expects the fans to have a whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and the players he doesn't think are good enough. Bearing in mind we raised about 2k for Build Bignot Budget, I would be interested to hear how we would get on with a public fundraising campaign to sack the majority of our staff. A whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and all the crap players is surely going to be around £150000 minimum. How the fuck does he truly expect us to do that? Hasn't he mentioned a few times that loads of people he speaks to feel the same? I was hoping he would have started the crowdfunder by now, time is running out to sack all the incompetent ones and hire a new manager and build a budget. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Nov 25, 2017 16:19:29 GMT
Even if we raise that to sack all the incompetent ones we still won't have any money to bring new players in.
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Post by highpeakblue on Nov 25, 2017 16:21:54 GMT
Eventually I got a reply from him on pm. He truly expects the fans to have a whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and the players he doesn't think are good enough. Bearing in mind we raised about 2k for Build Bignot Budget, I would be interested to hear how we would get on with a public fundraising campaign to sack the majority of our staff. A whipround to pay off Bignot, McGuire and all the crap players is surely going to be around £150000 minimum. How the fuck does he truly expect us to do that? And then have money to rebuild - nuts. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 25, 2017 16:38:19 GMT
Halifax 2-3 Eastleigh and both goalkeepers have been sent off!
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Post by jb on Nov 25, 2017 16:41:35 GMT
Lynch gets off far too lightly for me. The only thing he is decent at is shot stopping - but what professional goalkeeper isn't a decent shot stopper? Shocking distribution, decision making, command of area and communication. Add to that he is overweight and loves a piss up more than getting himself in shape and I'm not sure what he is still doing in our starting 11. Lynch is a joke keeper. Overweight and no command of his box. It looked like an outfield player was in goal. Sack him off and try Vaughan. |
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