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Post by Si on Dec 27, 2017 9:49:47 GMT
Can't agree with that. Someone pings an unstoppable shot in the top corner after 2 mins and that gave people the green light to unleash abuse. Wasn't even like it was a mistake. Ffs it was 2 mins in and as a crowd we turn on them after that, it's embarrassing. Not sure where you sit but most people around me in H Block clapped their goal and not a word of abuse was given to the players. I stand on the terrace. What, so Chester fans were applauding Guiseley going 2 up courtesy of Astles messing up? That's worse!
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 27, 2017 11:27:44 GMT
It feels like the season is over. Usually with 21 games to go it would be all to play for, but we're 8 points adrift and it will take us 10 games to get 8 points (or more if the current trend continues). It would be ok if there was some fight in the team, but there hasn't been any of that for the past 12 months. I think the only hope of halting the slide is to invite Simon Ollerenshaw back along with the youth team people who were forced to resign over the Harvey business. God help us. I also think that we'll be humiliated at East Thurrock in the FA Trophy. It would appear that Bignot has lost the dressing room, although with the best will in the world even if he hadn't these shower are disgracing the shirt.
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Post by btb on Dec 27, 2017 11:40:02 GMT
The abuse was at a high level yesterday and I have to admit I let the situation get to me a bit. It's very hard to support and encourage this squad of players. Those of us of a certain age have seen hundreds of poor footballers pass through the doors of this club and we've seen several relegations and yes it's been frustrating but never in all of these years have I seen such a spineless and passionless team. But abuse like yesterday isn't helping an already hopeless situation, so I see it as I've now got two choices and they are, I go and pay my money and keep my mouth shut as the goals fly in and our players duck out of basic challenges or I do what hundreds are starting to do and stay at home. Which as we all should be aware, is going to kill the club! Bignot in my eyes is also becoming part of the problem. Yes, the players are turd and have zero passion but his set up of the team was embarrassing yesterday. After the disgrace of the first 30 minutes we actually played better when his hand was forced to play 4-4-1. Granted we never really threatened them and they sat back and soaked it up but the shape of the team looked so much better and the players didn't look as panicked as they did when playing whatever shambolic formation Bignot dreamed up at the start.
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Post by vxblue on Dec 27, 2017 12:24:13 GMT
Not sure where you sit but most people around me in H Block clapped their goal and not a word of abuse was given to the players. I stand on the terrace. What, so Chester fans were applauding Guiseley going 2 up courtesy of Astles messing up? That's worse! No idea where you've got that idea from. We was both talking about their 'unstoppable' 1st.
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Post by Si on Dec 27, 2017 12:25:28 GMT
I stand on the terrace. What, so Chester fans were applauding Guiseley going 2 up courtesy of Astles messing up? That's worse! No idea where you've got that idea from. We was both talking about their 'unstoppable' 1st. Sorry thought you meant their second. Yeah their first was a corker tbf.
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Post by btb on Dec 27, 2017 12:42:01 GMT
It was a superb strike and he actually looked a decent player as did Roberts but defensively we were all over the place.
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Post by billyw on Dec 27, 2017 13:43:13 GMT
It was a superb strike and he actually looked a decent player as did Roberts but defensively we were all over the place. James Roberts certainly looked better than the plethora of players Bignot has brought in.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 27, 2017 14:06:35 GMT
I think we just need to play this season out. There's no point sacking Bignot as we're not going stay up whoever we appoint. Start again in the Conference North and review the situation. It might actually do us some good. Just reading back through the match thread and picked up on this. I concur with you Lobster, it'll be more financially harming to salvage this season than it would be to take the relegation hit.
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Post by devadiva on Dec 27, 2017 16:08:24 GMT
I think we just need to play this season out. There's no point sacking Bignot as we're not going stay up whoever we appoint. Start again in the Conference North and review the situation. It might actually do us some good. Just reading back through the match thread and picked up on this. I concur with you Lobster, it'll be more financially harming to salvage this season than it would be to take the relegation hit. Really? With the money sloshing around conference north do you think it will be much easier than this league. I don’t. There are vsome well run businesses in that league with money. We won’t have either. Don’t forget Kidderminster- they were only mid table when they turned us over.
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Post by soulseal on Dec 27, 2017 16:20:01 GMT
No matter what money we spent now, if we were fortunate to have it of course, could guarantee we could stay up.
So I agree with Lobster and Schydyn that our best approach is to plan for next season in the Conf North.
That does not mean we should give up this season, the players owe the fans a bit, an improvement from current performances for certain would be a minimum, maybe a trophy cup run if such was possible.
I also agree with nwas that a complete review of the clubs operation and a new 5 year plan is necessary.
The conference is gone. We need to hit the ground running next season to avoid a continuous slide; more Halifax less Altrincham.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Dec 27, 2017 18:41:00 GMT
The players are grown men who know what football fans are like. If they display no effort from the first whistle and go 2-0 down early on against relegation rivals then they should expect nothing other than to be booed.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Dec 29, 2017 9:54:08 GMT
Match highlights:
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 29, 2017 10:16:47 GMT
Just reading back through the match thread and picked up on this. I concur with you Lobster, it'll be more financially harming to salvage this season than it would be to take the relegation hit. Really? With the money sloshing around conference north do you think it will be much easier than this league. I don’t. There are vsome well run businesses in that league with money. We won’t have either. Don’t forget Kidderminster- they were only mid table when they turned us over. I said financially harming. Sacking another manager, ergo paying three managers simultaneously (with any replacement manager only being able to use loans and frees just as the current manager is) as we struggle to stay up will hammer our pocket. I'd take relegation to a more income-friendly league by way of part-time wages, bigger gates through away followings, more enticing fixtures, not to mention belting away days. If we end up being a yo-yo club, so be it. If we end up in the league below for a few years, so be it. As long as we are living within our means. If we want to eventually challenge for FL status then we must still live within our means and it will take a concerted effort to constantly market the club to the wider public and to bring in additional revenue through innovative measures, of which the original board had but this board clearly doesn't. It may take a decade, it may take 30 years, but that's how I believe it should be done. Take the relegation hit and reboot.
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Post by agl on Dec 29, 2017 10:21:48 GMT
The players are grown men who know what football fans are like. If they display no effort from the first whistle and go 2-0 down early on against relegation rivals then they should expect nothing other than to be booed. Sorry, I don't buy this no effort line that's trotted out. Not good enough, lacking in confidence, heads dropping, disorganised, not understanding what is expected of them, bad decision making, being played in alien formations or out of their favoured position. All of those, but I don't recall too many Chester players who don't try. For that reason booing players or getting on their backs is counter productive. Ask yourself ...if you were at work and someone was screaming at you that you are a c..t all the time would that motivate or demotivate you? We've always had dickheads who seem to want to come to matches and do that but you hope that they are drowned out out by the proper fans. By all means boo at the end of the game to show your displeasure. I actually find it embarrassing that anyone would want to go to a game and shout abuse at his own players every week - not entirely sure what they get out of it. The problem we have now is that certain players are being targted as soon as they make a mistake. This is nothing new but has gone up a notch recently and why I always prefer away games where there's much more togetherness between fans and team (usually). Isn't that what Bignot was alluding to in his interview? Trouble is he can't come out and say it directly because it will start a new shLt storm.
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Post by agl on Dec 29, 2017 10:24:53 GMT
Really? With the money sloshing around conference north do you think it will be much easier than this league. I don’t. There are vsome well run businesses in that league with money. We won’t have either. Don’t forget Kidderminster- they were only mid table when they turned us over. I said financially harming. Sacking another manager, ergo paying three managers simultaneously (with any replacement manager only being able to use loans and frees just as the current manager is) as we struggle to stay up will hammer our pocket. I'd take relegation to a more income-friendly league by way of part-time wages, bigger gates through away followings, more enticing fixtures, not to mention belting away days. If we end up being a yo-yo club, so be it. If we end up in the league below for a few years, so be it. As long as we are living within our means. If we want to eventually challenge for FL status then we must still live within our means and it will take a concerted effort to constantly market the club to the wider public and to bring in additional revenue through innovative measures, of which the original board had but this board clearly doesn't. It may take a decade, it may take 30 years, but that's how I believe it should be done. Take the relegation hit and reboot. Easier to market the club in a national league rather than a regional one. One of the many reasons why I disagree with your belief that we gained promotions too fast. Do you really fancy 30 years playing regional football?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 29, 2017 10:40:47 GMT
It was a hypothetical point relating to when we might be in the FL, not specifically playing regional football. I'd rather that, than the boom or bust model that cripples many clubs and our own previous variation of that model which has virtually crippled us for the past couple of seasons. You are, of course, entitled to disagree with me but if we didn't rise through the leagues too quickly then why are we struggling to sustain this level of the pyramid?
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Post by g1 on Dec 29, 2017 13:49:24 GMT
The subject of booing when you have the likes of Rowe Turner strolling doing nothing pissing around for the 1st goal and a shocking 2 footed tackle you expect boos
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Dec 29, 2017 13:53:51 GMT
I think the sooner the penny drops that the players on the pitch and the managers that have directed them is the reason we're in this mess, the better all round. If we'd got that sorted based on our budget, we'd be a mid table conference side, with lots of room for improvement in commercial and community terms to make the next step. Excellent comment 👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by norwegianblue on Dec 29, 2017 17:30:59 GMT
Another loss, can't even be bothered putting any comments about the match because it's the same old shite. With the exception of Astles and Shaw, none of them seemed to even care which is an insult to the paying fans and I cannot accept that. I wasn't even angry today, just sad. We're in an absolute mess, all the positivity felt after getting our club back has just gone. Massive changes are needed from top to bottom or, as others have said, I can see us dropping straight through the National League North as well. Just to show what an abysmal calendar year we have had, I've looked at all the competitive games in 2017, and our record is a pitiful: P: 50 W: 9 D: 10 L: 31 GF: 49 GA: 93 Patience has ran out, even from the most optimistic of us. It's become a chore to support our team and it shouldn't be that way. And we wonder why fans are not attending. . . .
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 29, 2017 17:55:13 GMT
Won 9, I'm struggling to remember 9 winning games this year.
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