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Post by Captain Duff on Feb 4, 2017 18:47:18 GMT
I voted out of the rotten undemocratic bosses club (whose 'benefits' haven't done the Greek working class much good have they?), don't regret it at all.
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Post by love.eu on Feb 6, 2017 10:41:05 GMT
Data released today confirms that less intelligent people were much more likely to vote leave. How many of the leavers on here were in the top set in school? A couple, but 90% of the special needs class voted leave and 90% of top set physics voted remain. Remember your place. Referendums are bad because the smartest persons opinion is matched by the stupidest persons opinion.  |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 6, 2017 16:43:17 GMT
That's a bit harsh.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 6, 2017 17:51:55 GMT
Data released today confirms that less intelligent people were much more likely to vote leave. How many of the leavers on here were in the top set in school? A couple, but 90% of the special needs class voted leave and 90% of top set physics voted remain. Remember your place. Referendums are bad because the smartest persons opinion is matched by the stupidest persons opinion. You only have to listen to a lot of Leave voters talk and explain their reasons to realise they aren't very bright or well-read, but it's a dangerous road to go down. Sadly, people with few qualifications tend to earn the least money and it's these people who usually feel the impact of political decisions. The working class seem to gravitate towards the social right. I'd like to see the Greens connect with non-higher educated voters a little better and become the second party in Labour stronghold areas like South Yorkshire and the North East. UKIP seem to have got in their first, but the Greens are the ones with the interests of low income earners more at heart. |
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Feb 6, 2017 19:13:34 GMT
Data released today confirms that less intelligent people were much more likely to vote leave. How many of the leavers on here were in the top set in school? A couple, but 90% of the special needs class voted leave and 90% of top set physics voted remain. Remember your place. Referendums are bad because the smartest persons opinion is matched by the stupidest persons opinion. , but it's a dangerous road to go down. Sadly, people with few qualifications tend to earn the least money and it's these people who usually feel the impact of political decisions. The working class seem to gravitate towards the social right. I'd like to see the Greens connect with non-higher educated voters a little better and become the second party in Labour stronghold areas like South Yorkshire and the North East. UKIP seem to have got in their first, but the Greens are the ones with the interests of low income earners more at heart. This is why Brexit was achieved. People like you sneering at the electorate. I didn't vote but it is great seeing the likes of your (and many other remainers) superior complex taking a major kicking. "Aren't very bright"? Look at the state of what you're saying and that's the symptom right there. People are rejecting globalism and this is just the start. Largely because of people like you. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Feb 6, 2017 19:34:22 GMT
The implication which the BBC is intentionally, or unintentionally, spreading here is that people without university degrees are "unintelligent" - as if by not having a university degree, you couldn't possibly be an intelligent individual.
The veiled elitism that has been apparent amongst large sections of the Remain voting population since the result, I assume, is a reaction aimed at making themselves feel a little bit better about the outcome of the referendum. The idea being that painting the 52% of the electorate who voted Leave as ill-informed, thick, UKIP-voting racists gives them the moral high ground.
Of course, they completely ignore the fact that ill-informed, thick, UKIP-voting racists make up a tiny proportion of the 33.5 million voters and that for Leave to have won, it required a mobilisation of huge numbers of other people within society.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 6, 2017 19:56:48 GMT
You only have to listen to a lot of Leave voters talk and explain their reasons to realise they aren't very bright or well-read, but it's a dangerous road to go down. Sadly, people with few qualifications tend to earn the least money and it's these people who usually feel the impact of political decisions. The working class seem to gravitate towards the social right. I'd like to see the Greens connect with non-higher educated voters a little better and become the second party in Labour stronghold areas like South Yorkshire and the North East. UKIP seem to have got in their first, but the Greens are the ones with the interests of low income earners more at heart. This is why Brexit was achieved. People like you sneering at the electorate. I didn't vote but it is great seeing the likes of your (and many other remainers) superior complex taking a major kicking. "Aren't very bright"? Look at the state of what you're saying and that's the symptom right there. People are rejecting globalism and this is just the start. Largely because of people like you. Did you read what I said beyond the first sentence? I wasn't the one who brought the survey up. A lot of people voted to leave for stupid reasons, I stand by that. A lot of people voted remain for stupid reasons as well. Others on both sides put some thought into it. I don't consider myself part of any intellectual elite, incidentally, but if someone tells me they voted to leave because of straight bananas or something, I think that is pretty ridiculous. |
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Feb 6, 2017 19:59:14 GMT
This is why Brexit was achieved. People like you sneering at the electorate. I didn't vote but it is great seeing the likes of your (and many other remainers) superior complex taking a major kicking. "Aren't very bright"? Look at the state of what you're saying and that's the symptom right there. People are rejecting globalism and this is just the start. Largely because of people like you. Did you read what I said beyond the first sentence? I wasn't the one who brought the survey up. A lot of people voted to leave for stupid reasons, I stand by that. A lot of people voted remain for stupid reasons as well. Others on both sides put some thought into it. I don't consider myself part of any intellectual elite, incidentally, but if someone tells me they voted to leave because of straight bananas or something, I think that is pretty ridiculous. I read it all and you know what they say, first impressions are everything. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 6, 2017 22:22:55 GMT
Fair enough. I can come across as being up my own arse sometimes. I was actually trying to say though that it doesn't matter if 'uneducated' voters are swinging it, as they're often the ones most affected by politics and have a better idea of what's going on than the supposed 'elite'.
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Post by Shrewd Blue on Feb 6, 2017 23:19:37 GMT
I have two degrees and voted leave. I must be a bit of an oddball then  |
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Post by Al on Feb 7, 2017 8:10:48 GMT
I have two degrees and voted leave. I must be a bit of an oddball then And I have no degrees and voted remain. What a fine pair of oddballs we are |
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Post by johnny on Feb 10, 2017 10:25:43 GMT
You only have to listen to a lot of Leave voters talk and explain their reasons to realise they aren't very bright or well-read, but it's a dangerous road to go down. Sadly, people with few qualifications tend to earn the least money and it's these people who usually feel the impact of political decisions. The working class seem to gravitate towards the social right. I'd like to see the Greens connect with non-higher educated voters a little better and become the second party in Labour stronghold areas like South Yorkshire and the North East. UKIP seem to have got in their first, but the Greens are the ones with the interests of low income earners more at heart. This is why Brexit was achieved. People like you sneering at the electorate. I didn't vote but it is great seeing the likes of your (and many other remainers) superior complex taking a major kicking. "Aren't very bright"? Look at the state of what you're saying and that's the symptom right there.People are rejecting globalism and this is just the start. Largely because of people like you. State of what he's saying? Haven't you seen the graph? It's statistical fact. Nobody is saying all leave voters are stupid, just a lot of them. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Feb 10, 2017 12:20:06 GMT
This is why Brexit was achieved. People like you sneering at the electorate. I didn't vote but it is great seeing the likes of your (and many other remainers) superior complex taking a major kicking. "Aren't very bright"? Look at the state of what you're saying and that's the symptom right there.People are rejecting globalism and this is just the start. Largely because of people like you. State of what he's saying? Haven't you seen the graph? It's statistical fact. Nobody is saying all leave voters are stupid, just a lot of them. Erm, since when did not having a university degree automatically qualify you as stupid, you snob? |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 10, 2017 12:43:15 GMT
State of what he's saying? Haven't you seen the graph? It's statistical fact. Nobody is saying all leave voters are stupid, just a lot of them. Erm, since when did not having a university degree automatically qualify you as stupid, you snob? Also worth remembering that a lot more young people have degrees than old people, and it's older people who are more likely to have voted Leave. Could be as much down to age as education. |
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Post by Guest on Feb 10, 2017 20:01:54 GMT
when we leave we will be one of the 167 countries in the world not in the eu. How will we cope!!
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Post by Lobster on Feb 10, 2017 21:48:13 GMT
when we leave we will be one of the 167 countries in the world not in the eu. How will we cope!! Well, there's the obvious point that most of them are not in Europe, and have some other bloc they can trade and unify with. The only major European ones not in the EU are Switzerland and Norway and they have huge industries like finance and oil respectively. We've got, er... Europe is a cluster of relatively small, developed nations. It makes sense if they help each other out. And there are lots of organisations like the EU in other parts of the world, like the ASEAN in South East Asia, and the USAN in South America. You've got to deal with your neighbouring nations at the end of the day, and most countries realise that. I do think we'll probably be alright in the long run, but I just don't really understand what we're gaining. It seems a lot of faffing about, lots of money wasted and lots of uncertainty for something of very questionable benefit. I hear people talk about 'opportunities' and suchlike but I've not really heard any of them. |
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Post by flamboyant on Feb 10, 2017 22:16:25 GMT
Erm, since when did not having a university degree automatically qualify you as stupid, you snob? Also worth remembering that a lot more young people have degrees than old people, and it's older people who are more likely to have voted Leave. Could be as much down to age as education. There's a scatter chart for age too, on the original BBC article that chart has been ripped from without context. Ironically, it's the industrial leave voting strongholds that will be hit hardest by Brexit, whereas the liberal elite might pay slightly less into their savings for a short while. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Feb 11, 2017 9:28:27 GMT
I can't believe that someone would post such utter tripe. Elitism is the cause of so much discontent in our political system at the moment. |
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Post by Guest on Feb 13, 2017 19:19:47 GMT
I can't believe that someone would post such utter tripe. Elitism is the cause of so much discontent in our political system at the moment. Everything you've said is true, and they're talking tripe, but the graph is pretty solid surely? |
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Post by sqzl on Feb 15, 2017 21:51:29 GMT
I feel like you should have to pass an intelligence test to vote. With respect to everyone's votes here, most of the people interviewed on television voted leave to 'stop immigration' like that will happen. Most people who voted remain we're only scared of not knowing all the facts about leaving. Political matters in the hands of non-political people, not sure...A bandwagon can be dangerous when enough people jump on it, wasn't long ago we were thinking Farage might have actually had a shot at running the country. Farage and Trump, oh the joys.
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Post by lachelane on Feb 15, 2017 22:04:46 GMT
With all the political chaos going on around the world not sure stay or go will make much difference in the end. Trump is driving for tax cuts and tariffs over there which will impact everyone eventually.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 15, 2017 22:35:21 GMT
I fear for the big industry in the local area, Airbus, Vauxhall. These companies could easily pull the plug on investment over here. I was made redundant at the end of 2015 from a company taken over by the yanks and then they moved all our production over to states. Products and technology that we (The UK) developed over 30 years ago, just snapped up and stolen and that's before the madman Trump got in. Hate to see what will happen now. I now have to work over in Huddersfield to earn what I did before and keep my house. The weakening pound is not helping my commute and soon the price of food will rise. It's ok though, at least we can keep the foreigners out. Vauxhall looking in serious danger. Jesus, like Ellesmere Port needs 4,500 jobs lost. |
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Post by Buckley Blue on Feb 15, 2017 22:38:30 GMT
Isn't that just because GM are in the shit not brexit
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Post by Pseudoscally on Feb 16, 2017 6:08:24 GMT
I fear for the big industry in the local area, Airbus, Vauxhall. These companies could easily pull the plug on investment over here. I was made redundant at the end of 2015 from a company taken over by the yanks and then they moved all our production over to states. Products and technology that we (The UK) developed over 30 years ago, just snapped up and stolen and that's before the madman Trump got in. Hate to see what will happen now. I now have to work over in Huddersfield to earn what I did before and keep my house. The weakening pound is not helping my commute and soon the price of food will rise. It's ok though, at least we can keep the foreigners out. Vauxhall looking in serious danger. Jesus, like Ellesmere Port needs 4,500 jobs lost. It's scary. I know a lot of people who work their and have done for many years. The place has been under threat for years as BB has said, almost as a tactic to keep the workforce in check. I think Brexit will give them a nailed on excuse to pull out. |
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Post by Pseudoscally on Feb 18, 2017 10:36:22 GMT
Is Tony Blair testing the water for a return to British Politics?
Would he ever be forgiven for lying to us about Iraq and the reasons we went to war?
What is his motive now? The Labour party will never vote him back now the membership has swelled due to the Corbyn factor. Could he go to the Lib Dems with their pro EU stance or maybe he'll start a new center ground party and hope to tempt both Labour and Lib Dem voters and MP's to defect?
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Post by marner93 on Feb 18, 2017 12:28:06 GMT
If there is anyone with less credibility than the Lib Dems in UK politics it's Tony Blair. The best thing he could do is die.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Feb 19, 2017 0:16:08 GMT
Him and Nick Clegg cosying up with one another this week, absolutely nauseating stuff. They're made for each other - absolute scum, the pair of them.
Quite how Blair is still allowed a platform of any sort in this country is extraordinary.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 19, 2017 7:52:49 GMT
I did read somewhere that he wanted to form a centrist party to recapture the middle ground - probably why the turncoat CUCK Clegg is cosying up to him. Our political landscape has gone past that now though.
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Feb 19, 2017 14:24:54 GMT
Blair should be on trial in The Hague for war crimes. That's the only place he should be given a platform to speak. Shocking legacy.
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Post by guesty on Feb 20, 2017 18:55:19 GMT
Funny how it's only those people with no credibility left to lose speaking out for the EU now. Simply because it's not worth losing any more credibility over when you'll get destroyed for it.
Admittedly this second referendum stuff is all a bit silly, I do like Clegg though, a terrible shame what happened to the Lib Dems.
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