Brexit idiots 🇬🇧

I think you may be wrong on that last point - everybody seems to want to live here.

A polite question to any Brexiteers on here. During the referendum, Leave campaigners and their supporters made a big issue about the extra £350million for the NHS. Now the politicians who made this promise have completely backtracked on it, why is there no public outcry from the 52%? Please tell me it wasn't all about bent bananas.

How many people actually? Or is it a "bullshit myth" that that is what influenced people. What a pity people other than you and Ian H Block got a vote. If only we'd left it to your intelligence and political insight.

This is a really poor argument that completely ignores the real reasons for the Brexit vote, as does the nonsense about "bent bananas".

How many people do you really believe were swayed to vote for Brexit because the likes of Kate Hoey and Chris Grayling stood next to a bus that promised money for the NHS? 

It's a bit like saying huge numbers of people voted to Remain because they genuinely believed there would be World War III as prophesied by none other than our Prime Minister at the time, David Cameron. 

Oh come off it, he's got a valid point. A decision made that DOES have a major impact on the current and future lives of millions of people and she based her decision on the shape of a fruit.

Not at all, people can vote how they like and there are much smarter people than me who voted leave, but I despair at anyone who used the old banana story as the basis for their vote. And you have to admit, it is brought up alarmingly often by people who voted to leave.

596000 people last year disagreed with you.

To be perfectly honest I'm tiring of the constant sniping over Brexit and reliving the debate that dominated politics for a year up to June 23rd 2016 but if I am to take the above posters point that the phrasing of the Brexit Bus doesn't stipulate the exact amount we are going to give the NHS once we leave the EU then surely the use of an emotive subject such as the NHS along with the £350 million was a deliberate attempt to mislead a section of the general public?

I think that there are two things that need separating with that (and none of them are related to bananas).

First, that figure was a calculation of the net payment the UK makes to the EU every week, so is the potential saving in government expenditure when we leave even if the UK government then carries on paying all the existing EU subsidies and grants. So theoretically when we leave that money could then be diverted to the NHS, or anywhere else the government of the day wanted.

But second, and this is the key point, I don't trust the Tories (let alone the NHS privatising ukips) to do this. In fact I don't think that they will do this. But that is not to do with whether we are in or out of the EU, that is to do with the domestic agenda of the Tory party, and it is therefore a political fight over how the resources that are available to us are spent, a political fight that we need to have regardless of EU membership.

But here's the thing. No longer will a UK government be able to blame Brussels for inaction or bad policies. The buck will stop in Westminster, and that is no bad thing. No longer will we have the excuse that due to the Lisbon Treaty it is not possible to (re)nationalise the railways and anything else (because the pro-privatisation Lisbon Treaty prevents this) and to use public ownership for the benefit of us all, now that will be a domestic political decision only. 

As a socialist in the Tony Benn tradition who voted out of the rotten undemocratic EU capaitalist club my vision of Brexit is not the same as the Tories or ukips. But for everyone else the choice is quite simple, the type of society that we want to have post-Brexit is up for grabs, the future is unwritten, and we have a chance to fight again for the type of society that was laid down by the 1945 Atlee government where despite huge debt and post-war economic problems the modern welfare state and NHS was created from the ashes of war and 20% of the economy was nationalised for the public good - all of that is now effectively illegal in the EU for any national government, but it won't be anymore.

Bananas to your ideas (bent ones preferably).

The whole campaign was very negative on both sides, consisting of exaggerated threats from the Remain campaign and false promises from the Leave campaign. I came out of it not really wanting to give either side the satisfaction of thinking they'd persuaded me.

Well said!!

The remain camp argued that we would face an immediate recession, the day after the referendum. We are anything but at the back of the queue for a trade deal with the US.

I'm glad you're here though, maybe you could address what David Cameron and Donald Tusk failed to? How do we get from voting to Leave, to World War III and the destruction of Western political civilization in its entirety?

What frustrates me is that, like many Remain voters who have poster on here, they hear one lady on Question Time say she voted to leave because of bent bananas - and that's enough to persuade them that swathes of people voted for the same reason. Yet when people give reasonable, thought out and legitimate reasons for voting to leave, its simply a handful of 'Lexiteers'.

It's the same sneering snobbery that facilitated the result of the referendum.

I am over it, doesn't mean I can't discuss it.

We might not be able to live in Europe!