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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 15:04:53 GMT
Considering the manner in which he became chancellor, Rishi Sunak has been exceptional during this crisis. Very impressive. Indeed, for adopting socialist policies. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 18, 2020 15:13:45 GMT
What do people think of the idea floating around about giving everyone £100 a week for as long as the crisis continues?
Makes a lot of sense to me. Nobody right now should be trekking to the Job Centre to prove they're looking for work, or having to fight their employer for sick pay.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 15:23:38 GMT
I think it’s hilarious people who were so TERRIFIED of free broadband are now so DESPERATE for the policies Labour were promoting at the most recent GE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 15:41:21 GMT
if your lot had got in how would they have managed this situation given that after they had nationalised everthing and free broadband for everybody.4 day week and all the other freebees .there would be nothing left to fight this disease.does this include your death bed or just anybody who dares to have an opinion that differs from yours.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 18, 2020 16:07:14 GMT
if your lot had got in how would they have managed this situation given that after they had nationalised everthing and free broadband for everybody.4 day week and all the other freebees .there would be nothing left to fight this disease.does this include your death bed or just anybody who dares to have an opinion that differs from yours. You could by the same token argue that a chronically underfunded NHS, along with massive wealth inequality as a result of austerity, have exacerbated the problem and are why so much money is having to be pumped in now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 16:24:25 GMT
yes you could .i believe the biggest problem with the nhs is not underfunding but overpaid incompetent managers.yes there is lack of equality but it is not just one political party it's all of them .they all have there share of very wealthy people. you and i can only dream of having an income like mps. house of lords civil servants to name a few
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 16:40:01 GMT
yes you could .i believe the biggest problem with the nhs is not underfunding but overpaid incompetent managers.yes there is lack of equality but it is not just one political party it's all of them .they all have there share of very wealthy people. you and i can only dream of having an income like mps. house of lords civil servants to name a few I am not sure that’s the inequality Lobster was particularly referring to. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 16:57:45 GMT
Earth is recovering
- Air pollution is slowing down
- Water pollution is clearing up
- Natural wildlife is returning home
Covid-19 is Earth’s vaccine. We’re the virus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 17:00:01 GMT
vey deep did you write that yourself.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 18, 2020 17:04:58 GMT
yes you could .i believe the biggest problem with the nhs is not underfunding but overpaid incompetent managers.yes there is lack of equality but it is not just one political party it's all of them .they all have there share of very wealthy people. you and i can only dream of having an income like mps. house of lords civil servants to name a few I don't really begrudge MPs their salary, as long as they work as hard as they should do. It's an important job with a lot of responsibility. I was talking more about increasing poverty rates and reliance on food banks. What this all shows to me is that conservative policies depend on a rather outdated mode of capitalism. When something comes along and threatens that - as it will increasingly often in the years to come - we need to revert to policies more in line with socialism. Maybe we should just go down that route to start with? My hope is that this whole ordeal will encourage us to think, act and vote differently, with compassion and sustainability in mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 17:23:23 GMT
looking at the attitude of people this last week or so i cant see things ever getting back to anything like normal.no it will never be enough for some people.all moaning schools are not closed.now wait for whos going to look after my kids.this effects everybody and it's not going to be easy
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Post by luke90 on Mar 18, 2020 18:23:52 GMT
I think it’s hilarious people who were so TERRIFIED of free broadband are now so DESPERATE for the policies Labour were promoting at the most recent GE. This is a time to come together. Not try and point score. Idiot. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 18:30:48 GMT
I think it’s hilarious people who were so TERRIFIED of free broadband are now so DESPERATE for the policies Labour were promoting at the most recent GE. They made their (death)bed, let them lie in it. Even for you that's low. So because most if the country didn't vote for your little fellas, they should lie in a 'death' bed. This is a time to come together. Not try and point score. Idiot. Not point scoring at all. Just saying all the policies that would’ve improved regular people’s lives could all have been in place already by now but “gEt BrExiT DuN!!11” instead and now those people are pleading with the government they wanted to start using the policies of the government that they didn’t want. “(Death)bed” was clearly a play on words. Meanwhile isn’t it heartening to see everyone “coming together” at a time like this in the supermarket aisles eh? I witnessed a crying parent of a child oncology patient in a great deal of pain pleading with another woman in Home Bargains to let her have just one of the EIGHT bottles of Calpol in her basket, to no avail, and there’s reports of foodbank donation baskets being raided by selfish shoppers who can afford to overfill their trolleys. Every man for himself and the weakest lose out - the Tory way. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 18:44:12 GMT
Why do you always Come up with an excuse for your terrible choice of words. This virus will not choose you on your voting preferences. It's Completely random. Think before you post
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Post by jb on Mar 18, 2020 19:16:36 GMT
Why is it every thread gets spoiled by a certain individual on this board?
There was some interesting debate going on but now it’s taken it’s usual nasty turn.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 19:40:21 GMT
I apologise if the scene I witnessed upset you. It certainly upset me too. Worse was the store manager saying he couldn’t do anything about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 19:55:08 GMT
Did you call this woman out or did you just stand there upset. I know what I would have Done and to hell with the consequences
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Post by luke90 on Mar 18, 2020 20:03:40 GMT
This is a time to come together. Not try and point score. Idiot. Not point scoring at all. Just saying all the policies that would’ve improved regular people’s lives could all have been in place already by now but “gEt BrExiT DuN!!11” instead and now those people are pleading with the government they wanted to start using the policies of the government that they didn’t want. “(Death)bed” was clearly a play on words. Meanwhile isn’t it heartening to see everyone “coming together” at a time like this in the supermarket aisles eh? I witnessed a crying parent of a child oncology patient in a great deal of pain pleading with another woman in Home Bargains to let her have just one of the EIGHT bottles of Calpol in her basket, to no avail, and there’s reports of foodbank donation baskets being raided by selfish shoppers who can afford to overfill their trolleys. Every man for himself and the weakest lose out - the Tory way. Explain which policies would have been enacted then if labour won that are now being brought in. And these are temporary measures let's be clear. |
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Post by Manchester Blue on Mar 18, 2020 20:09:23 GMT
I don't post much on here but do read this forum daily and i'm starting to wonder if its a forum for our City's football team or a forum for socialist propaganda.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 20:12:31 GMT
I don't post much on here but do read this forum daily and i'm starting to wonder if its a forum for our City's football team or a forum for socialist propaganda. It’s a forum for our City’s football team. This is the off-topic forum though, where we talk about non-football things. Hope that clarifies it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 20:25:29 GMT
Manchester Blue I think you will find that what ever a topic is titled the moment s b becomes involved it immediately turns political even on the football forum
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 20:26:47 GMT
This is a particularly political topic of discussion, don’t kid yourself.
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Post by luke90 on Mar 18, 2020 20:27:56 GMT
This is a particularly political topic of discussion, don’t kid yourself. No it isn't. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 20:32:55 GMT
This is a particularly political topic of discussion, don’t kid yourself. No it isn't. So the Government’s contingency plan to deal with Covid-19 is not political? Lol, ok then. Now who’s the idiot? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 20:46:33 GMT
I can't believe a moderator uses foul language and calls a poster an idiot and thinks all is OK. Think you should put yourself in isolation your slowly losing the plot
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Post by luke90 on Mar 18, 2020 20:52:24 GMT
So the Government’s contingency plan to deal with Covid-19 is not political? Lol, ok then. Now who’s the idiot? Not at all, no. The government is following scientific advice. Have you chastised them? No, because you're an absolute fool who can't see past his nose if it means going along with something that a 'socialist' hasn't come up with. I also asked you to show what labour policies would have been enacted by now that we now have. Nothing yet. I await that too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 21:24:42 GMT
Think you will find this is what he does. Never answers never apologises. You won't see him for a while then he rejoins the thread as if nothing has happened.
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Post by Al on Mar 18, 2020 21:46:59 GMT
This goes beyond a political issue, it's a humanitarian issue that stretches beyond politics.
We all need to pull together now and in the weeks and months to come. Things are only just kicking off, far worse is yet to come with far more measures designed to keep the most vulnerable in society safe.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 18, 2020 22:02:16 GMT
Thread tidied up a bit and a few comments removed.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 19, 2020 2:05:29 GMT
To the contrary, this is a deeply political issue and whilst the opposition has been, and should continue to work constructively with the government on this - they should also oppose where necessary. One of the reasons Labour so badly lost the argument on economics between 2008 and 2015 was because they basically agreed with the orthodox right-wing view that austerity was the only option.
How anybody can look at some of the decisions the government has made in the last few days and suggest they aren't political baffles me. A 3 month mortgage holiday, not just for homeowners but even for buy-to-let landlords. So buy-to-let landlords, who in the vast majority of cases, are buying up property to hoard wealth and push up house prices, then renting said properties out to people who can no longer afford to buy one themselves, will get a 3 month mortgage holiday whilst their tenants are expected to continue paying rent.
Not only is it deeply unfair and irresponsible, it's stupidly counter-productive because it will force people to still go to work, even if they have symptoms of coronavirus. Because otherwise they either won't get paid or will get a measly £94 a week in statutory sick pay, which doesn't cover the average rent in this country, let alone provide enough to feed yourself or pay your energy bills. What about the cinema or theatre worker who now is effectively unemployed? Whilst his/her landlord gets a 3 month break from payments, he/she will still have to pay rent. Upwards of 20% of the UK population is now private-rented and they represent some of the poorest and most economically precarious members of society. Whereas landlords, who by their nature in most cases own more than one property, are almost always more economically affluent.
And which of those did the government decide to support last week? Yep, you guessed it, the landlords. So people can say this isn't political all they like - it is absolutely clear that the government is using a pandemic to at best, protect, at worst, to line the pockets of, their wealth-hoarding feudal overlords.
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