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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2020 7:13:52 GMT
Of course it’s intrinsically political.
Germany has 12,300 confirmed Coronavirus cases and 28 deaths. The UK has 2,600 cases and 103 deaths.
This is what happens when you don’t invest in the NHS, when you cut nurses and doctors, when you cut social care.
Meanwhile the EU have started a ventilator drive and are relocating resources to each member state as their situation peaks. They’ve generously decided to include the U.K. as a member state for this project despite our “keep calm and carry on” policy and blatant contempt we are showing towards them.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 19, 2020 8:43:25 GMT
This issue is bigger than politics, but at the same time I don't believe we should take our eyes off the government. They are dishonest and opportunist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 9:17:58 GMT
Shall we try again. What would a labour government do differently. And be realistic not things that would bankrupt the country.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 19, 2020 9:36:54 GMT
- Rent suspensions
- Utility Bill suspensions
- Ban evictions for 6 months
- Raise statutory sick pay so that it provides enough to live off
- Increase Universal Credit, end the 5-week wait and suspend benefit sanctions
All available on Google but seeing as you asked nicely.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 19, 2020 9:41:34 GMT
- Rent suspensions - Utility Bill suspensions - Ban evictions for 6 months - Raise statutory sick pay so that it provides enough to live off - Increase Universal Credit, end the 5-week wait and suspend benefit sanctions All available on Google but seeing as you asked nicely. Plus if we're talking about not bankrupting the country, how much has been pissed up the wall on Brexit over the last 4-5 years? And it still hasn't even come into full effect yet.
Labour are far from perfect, but they would never have created an expensive, divisive shambles like that.
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 19, 2020 9:45:32 GMT
This issue is bigger than politics, but at the same time I don't believe we should take our eyes off the government. They are dishonest and opportunist. I do not think it is helpful to see things in terms of left /right or conservative/labour. The question should be are the Government competent and doing the right thing at the right time. Just looking at the last week the Government set out their stall talking about herd immunity. As Imperial College pointed out that way forward would have resulted in over 500,000 deaths. The Government then moved to a plan B which Imperial College said would result in 250,000 deaths. We are now on to Plan C with a predicted 20,000 deaths. The number of deaths in China is 3,249 and South Korea 91. It is very worrying that the pound has dropped to a 35 year low against the dollar. That indicates that the markets think the USA is doing a better job than the the UK. Watched Sky new last night. Pictures of thousands of people being tested in the USA and Germany. We have lost the capacity to test since last Friday. Also pictures of morturies being built in London whilst in the USA there was a picture of a very large hospital ship in New York harbour to assist in the medical fight. There is no doubt we are heading for a draconian lock down of the whole country. Other countries realised that was the only way forward from the outset. There is nothing wrong with questioning why we have taken a different path or why we appear to very badly organised and prepared in crucial areas of a situation which can only be described as a war. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2020 10:16:13 GMT
- Rent suspensions - Utility Bill suspensions - Ban evictions for 6 months - Raise statutory sick pay so that it provides enough to live off - Increase Universal Credit, end the 5-week wait and suspend benefit sanctions All available on Google but seeing as you asked nicely. All of the above would’ve cost less than the government’s recently announced budget, and they’re not even doing any of the above. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 10:26:33 GMT
Not directly to do with the pandemic more to do with panic buying.
During the 70s I worked in what was then communist Poland. I noticed long queues outside food shops every morning as early as 6 30.
I asked a polish friend do you ever get fed up of queuing. This was his reply.
One day while queueing for bread the guy behind me said.,I've been here for two hours and the queue has not moved I've had enough. I'm going to Warsaw and I'm going to kill the Premier.
Two days later he was back in the queue. How did you get on he was asked.
There is a bloody queue there as well he said. My friend said queueing is what we do.
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Post by Mean Machine on Mar 19, 2020 20:12:14 GMT
Cuba is rapidly increasing production of Interferon B which is known to have successfully treated at least 1,500 coronavirus patients. According to scientists there are enough supplies at present to treat 80,000 people, equivalent to every single case in China. This has been achieved despite a six-decade economic blockade imposed by the US. I won’t mention the political ideology of Cuba. As you quite clearly dislike capitalism and presumably the recent uk governments can I ask why are you still here and not in Cuba or at least a country with a socialist government ? There are no armed guards at the airports or ports preventing you from leaving are there So can we assume that there is something in the UK that you do like and is keeping you here Democracy perhaps, free speech possibly, an accessible benefits system, a good standard of living, do you have a good well paid job ? Imigrants from many countries are risking death, and sadly dying, trying to get here, yet you paint this country as some sort of hell hole Could you please explain why you are still here |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2020 20:15:34 GMT
Just imagine how bad this pandemic would've been without the 28% of immigrant doctors who came over here and stole the jobs of every racist who doesn't have a medical degree.
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Post by jb on Mar 19, 2020 20:41:58 GMT
Cuba is rapidly increasing production of Interferon B which is known to have successfully treated at least 1,500 coronavirus patients. According to scientists there are enough supplies at present to treat 80,000 people, equivalent to every single case in China. This has been achieved despite a six-decade economic blockade imposed by the US. I won’t mention the political ideology of Cuba. As you quite clearly dislike capitalism and presumably the recent uk governments can I ask why are you still here and not in Cuba or at least a country with a socialist government ? There are no armed guards at the airports or ports preventing you from leaving are there So can we assume that there is something in the UK that you do like and is keeping you here Democracy perhaps, free speech possibly, an accessible benefits system, a good standard of living, do you have a good well paid job ? Imigrants from many countries are risking death, and sadly dying, trying to get here, yet you paint this country as some sort of hell hole Could you please explain why you are still here Please don’t start a crowdfunder for the one way ticket to Cuba. It will end up getting more than “The Donate the Gate”. |
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Post by jb on Mar 19, 2020 20:46:22 GMT
No new cases in China which is fantastic news. Hopefully their darkest hour has now passed.
Hopefully Iran, Spain and Italy bring good news tomorrow because they are really suffering at the min.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 19, 2020 20:58:52 GMT
No new cases in China which is fantastic news. Hopefully their darkest hour has now passed. Hopefully Iran, Spain and Italy bring good news tomorrow because they are really suffering at the min. No new cases in China yesterday; sadly cases are spiking again as people are coming back into the country. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:34:32 GMT
Latest from China today no new cases in wuhan or hubei. Also none suspected
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Post by Lobster on Mar 20, 2020 6:55:18 GMT
Germany has 12,300 confirmed Coronavirus cases and 28 deaths. The UK has 2,600 cases and 103 deaths. This is an interesting statistic. Not just Germany either, our death rate is alarmingly high given the relatively low number of cases. I suspect it may just be because we're not actually diagnosing that many people, we're just telling them to stay at home. It's the sort of question I'd like to hear journalists asking at these daily briefings, rather than some of the silly ones I've heard. Someone was even asking about Brexit the other day, for god's sake! |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 20, 2020 6:59:54 GMT
It’s a good point, it’s obvious that we are testing as few people as possible in order to keep the “official” numbers down. I’ve even seen of examples of textbook Covid-19 cases not being tested.
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Post by everhopeful on Mar 20, 2020 8:12:37 GMT
This is the "Off Topic" forum where anything can be discussed, debated and disagreed with. Politely. It is NOT a forum for personal insults or foul language. Please cut it out and speak decently.
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 20, 2020 9:17:41 GMT
Germany has 12,300 confirmed Coronavirus cases and 28 deaths. The UK has 2,600 cases and 103 deaths. This is an interesting statistic. Not just Germany either, our death rate is alarmingly high given the relatively low number of cases. I suspect it may just be because we're not actually diagnosing that many people, we're just telling them to stay at home. It's the sort of question I'd like to hear journalists asking at these daily briefings, rather than some of the silly ones I've heard. Someone was even asking about Brexit the other day, for god's sake! We lost the capacity to test last Friday, other than for those actually in hospital, hence our death rate looking higher than it should. When they do get some questions on it they deflect attention by talking about the antibody test. I would agree that journalists need to be a bit more forceful and assertive when asking about testing. It is simply disgraceful that we have got ourselves into the position where we can not manage to test health workers, key workers etc. |
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Post by Si on Mar 20, 2020 9:44:58 GMT
Germany has 12,300 confirmed Coronavirus cases and 28 deaths. The UK has 2,600 cases and 103 deaths. This is an interesting statistic. Not just Germany either, our death rate is alarmingly high given the relatively low number of cases. I suspect it may just be because we're not actually diagnosing that many people, we're just telling them to stay at home. It's the sort of question I'd like to hear journalists asking at these daily briefings, rather than some of the silly ones I've heard. Someone was even asking about Brexit the other day, for god's sake! I can't wait for today's questioning where Boris will be quizzed on flavours of crisps in the Blues Bar and what are the possibilities of bringing Michael Wilde back. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 20, 2020 9:58:12 GMT
This is an interesting statistic. Not just Germany either, our death rate is alarmingly high given the relatively low number of cases. I suspect it may just be because we're not actually diagnosing that many people, we're just telling them to stay at home. It's the sort of question I'd like to hear journalists asking at these daily briefings, rather than some of the silly ones I've heard. Someone was even asking about Brexit the other day, for god's sake! I can't wait for today's questioning where Boris will be quizzed on flavours of crisps in the Blues Bar and what are the possibilities of bringing Michael Wilde back. You should really post on here more. Doesn't fail to make me laugh every time! |
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Post by jb on Mar 20, 2020 10:09:22 GMT
This is the "Off Topic" forum where anything can be discussed, debated and disagreed with. Politely. It is NOT a forum for personal insults or foul language. Please cut it out and speak decently. Tell your fellow moderator that. Everyone was debating this sensitive subject in an adult manner until his “they made their deathbed let them lie in it” post. Let’s see how long this post last before it’s “tidied up”. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 10:52:00 GMT
- Rent suspensions - Utility Bill suspensions - Ban evictions for 6 months - Raise statutory sick pay so that it provides enough to live off - Increase Universal Credit, end the 5-week wait and suspend benefit sanctions All available on Google but seeing as you asked nicely. All of the above would’ve cost less than the government’s recently announced budget, and they’re not even doing any of the above. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 10:53:12 GMT
How exactly does giving people money help to stop the virus.
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Post by jb on Mar 20, 2020 11:07:31 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 20, 2020 11:07:45 GMT
How exactly does giving people money help to stop the virus. Don’t be soft, you know what those policies are for, you’re smarter than this. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 11:25:32 GMT
Not soft at all. you have seen mortgage breaks. Guarantees for renters non contract workers brought into ssp.guarantees nobody will lose gass or electric. The question is £94 a week enough to feed a family. May be not but if you have a family do you not get family allowance universal credit housing benefit etc. I think it's more about prioritising what you do with what you have.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 20, 2020 11:53:11 GMT
How exactly does giving people money help to stop the virus. Because it means that they won't go to work and spread the virus.......... It also gives them spending power (that they won't have if they lose their job) which can be used to help prop up the economy. It's the reason why most other European countries are doing it, except of course the UK who always know better. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:10:21 GMT
My post is merely saying when times are tough you're lifestyle must change. If you are self isolating you can't do the things you would normally spend your cash on. Football theatre cinema or what ever you do with any spare cash. So surely people can manage on less as long as they don't have fear of eviction or power being cut off. If it wasn't for people stockpiling there would be more than enough to go round.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 20, 2020 12:12:54 GMT
My post is merely saying when times are tough you're lifestyle must change. If you are self isolating you can't do the things you would normally spend your cash on. Football theatre cinema or what ever you do with any spare cash. So surely people can manage on less as long as they don't have fear of eviction or power being cut off. If it wasn't for people stockpiling there would be more than enough to go round. Yeah exactly. If you’re self-isolating and off work unpaid (or lose your job because your employer goes bust due to loss of earnings as everyone is self-isolating) then you can’t pay your rent like you normally would or buy food for you and your kids to live on like you normally would. Never mind eh, one of those things isn’t it? Oh well. Suck it up. “Spare cash” - lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 12:21:19 GMT
Read my post and stop feeling sorry for your self. Have you not been told about mortgage breaks. No evictions for renters. And nobody having power supplies cut. They are all things you asked for in your earlier posts.
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