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Post by Ian H Block on May 26, 2020 14:21:04 GMT
I see the Tories have been caught diverting £100million of Covid-19 emergency funds from poorer areas with the highest infection rates to Tory Shires with significantly lower levels of the disease. I bet working class Tories are feeling even more stupid than usual.
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 26, 2020 19:38:36 GMT
The Tories are not going to review fines received by people who travelled for childcare during lockdown, despite Dominic Cummings doing precisely that and not being fined - Tory Sources to Sky News.
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Post by Lobster on May 27, 2020 15:44:47 GMT
I see the Tories have been caught diverting £100million of Covid-19 emergency funds from poorer areas with the highest infection rates to Tory Shires with significantly lower levels of the disease. I bet working class Tories are feeling even more stupid than usual. I worry about this in conjunction with talk of "regional lockdowns". You can bet that the poorest and most underfunded areas will be the last to get their economies going again. Is this managed decline?
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Post by Lobster on May 27, 2020 18:18:21 GMT
State of Johnson telling us the public want to move on from Cummings' antics. Sorry mate, you don't get to play the man of the people on this like you did on Brexit. YOU want to move on, but the public are very angry and confused about this.
My entire household has experienced coronavirus symptoms over the past two months. I could very easily have dropped my daughter off at either of my parents' and with much less ceremony than he did. I don't take kindly to the implication that by following government and NHS advice, I am an irresponsible parent.
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Post by Ian H Block on May 28, 2020 20:48:41 GMT
789 dead from Coronavirus in just 48 hours in the UK.
Schools open Monday.
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Post by thestanchion on May 28, 2020 22:06:34 GMT
Latest lockdown - six people can meet up. Isn't this a bit too close on the heels of other relaxations with re-opening of schools imminent. Do they think that the public will forget about recent aberrations so easily, like we are all dim? Oh hang on, GET BREXIT DONE. Yeah I see it now.
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Post by Lobster on May 29, 2020 6:24:47 GMT
Johnson's refusal to allow Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance to answer any questions about Dominic Cummings yesterday was laughable. To be fair, I don't think either of them wanted to and I can understand that, but they can say that for themselves. Whitty's response when he was finally allowed one could be read as "you don't want to know what I think about it".
Debatable whether it's even a "political question" as Johnson keeps saying. Cummings isn't a politician. Well, not officially anyway!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 7:08:11 GMT
Really think it was a bit snide the way the question was put. (or are you not allowed to answer) they are not politicians. It would be like them coming on here and asking loads of scientific questions
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Post by Lobster on May 29, 2020 9:09:07 GMT
Really think it was a bit snide the way the question was put. (or are you not allowed to answer) they are not politicians. It would be like them coming on here and asking loads of scientific questions They were asked for their opinion as scientists on what Cummings did. It's not an entirely political question.
As I said, I can understand them not answering the question. If they did, it would all over tomorrow's papers. But I don't think the PM needed to shield the question from them under the allusion that he was protecting them, when in really he's just protecting himself.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 9:20:56 GMT
No problem with the question up to them whether they answer or not. It's just the terminology of the question. It was we will damn you. If you answer and damn you if you don't. To be honest I'm sick to death of it all. It looks like they want everything to fail just to get one man out of his job. And on a lighter note I would like to wish my brother a happy 82nd birthday a lifelong Chester supporter.
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Post by Lobster on May 29, 2020 9:48:26 GMT
No problem with the question up to them whether they answer or not. It's just the terminology of the question. It was we will damn you. If you answer and damn you if you don't. To be honest I'm sick to death of it all. It looks like they want everything to fail just to get one man out of his job. And on a lighter note I would like to wish my brother a happy 82nd birthday a lifelong Chester supporter. No, it's bigger than Cummings. It's about the message it sends out, the rewriting of rules, the insult to people who followed the rules, the ramifications of the "if he did it, why can't we" crowd. Cummings being sacked is not the end goal for me. I want an enquiry into the matter so that the public can make their own minds up on the judgment and integrity of this government.
Happy birthday to your brother.
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Post by Ian H Block on May 29, 2020 9:56:14 GMT
No problem with the question up to them whether they answer or not. It's just the terminology of the question. It was we will damn you. If you answer and damn you if you don't. To be honest I'm sick to death of it all. It looks like they want everything to fail just to get one man out of his job. And on a lighter note I would like to wish my brother a happy 82nd birthday a lifelong Chester supporter. I don’t think anybody wants anything to fail, given how high the stakes are. But clearly things are failing, massively, and nobody appears accountable. The Government are treating the whole affair like a political crisis not a public health emergency and tens of thousands of dead bodies are the consequent collateral damage. Happy Birthday to your brother, unless he’s a Tory (I’m joking).
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Post by scotty on May 29, 2020 9:57:05 GMT
Cummings saw Boris, Hancock and Whitty get CV. Everyone around him was dropping like flies so he grabbed his family and ran for the hills. I probably would've done the same.
Now why didn't he just say this instead of trying to weasel his way out of it? Yes he would've got flack for not following guidelines, but people would have understood and forgiven him for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 10:04:50 GMT
i am ok with an enquiry.not a witch hunt.is it ok for blackford .gething Kinnock.etc.by the way i include me in this because i too have broken the rules.just because i have my feet in both wales and england by a few miles.when england lifted lockdown on fishing i crossed the border to saughall to fish .probably no more than half a mile.but i can now drive to my nearest lake in wales a round trip of 25 miles.this is where people can get confused.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 10:07:18 GMT
by the way my brother has no interest in poltics never has
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Post by luke90 on May 29, 2020 12:13:15 GMT
No problem with the question up to them whether they answer or not. It's just the terminology of the question. It was we will damn you. If you answer and damn you if you don't. To be honest I'm sick to death of it all. It looks like they want everything to fail just to get one man out of his job. And on a lighter note I would like to wish my brother a happy 82nd birthday a lifelong Chester supporter. No, it's bigger than Cummings. It's about the message it sends out, the rewriting of rules, the insult to people who followed the rules, the ramifications of the "if he did it, why can't we" crowd. Cummings being sacked is not the end goal for me. I want an enquiry into the matter so that the public can make their own minds up on the judgment and integrity of this government.
Happy birthday to your brother.
Really? That is a little extreme isn't it? Surely call for an enquiry into the whole handling of it, not the actions of one man. I fully agree that he was in the wrong, and the excuses are piss poor, but clearly the man brings something to the table for Boris and co. Doesn't matter if you like him or not, you don't know what he does day to day (not backing him BTW, just trying to bring some reason to this whole story about someone going out of the house). The people who use this as an excuse to do what they like are pretty pathetic really, though sadly, a lot are going to try it.
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Post by Ian H Block on May 29, 2020 15:52:05 GMT
No, it's bigger than Cummings. It's about the message it sends out, the rewriting of rules, the insult to people who followed the rules, the ramifications of the "if he did it, why can't we" crowd. Cummings being sacked is not the end goal for me. I want an enquiry into the matter so that the public can make their own minds up on the judgment and integrity of this government.
Happy birthday to your brother.
Really? That is a little extreme isn't it? Surely call for an enquiry into the whole handling of it, not the actions of one man. I fully agree that he was in the wrong, and the excuses are piss poor, but clearly the man brings something to the table for Boris and co. Doesn't matter if you like him or not, you don't know what he does day to day (not backing him BTW, just trying to bring some reason to this whole story about someone going out of the house). The people who use this as an excuse to do what they like are pretty pathetic really, though sadly, a lot are going to try it. Not really extreme, in comparison with what’s going on. He’s the Prime Minister’s Chief Advisor and clearly the advice he’s giving is pretty shit. Otherwise we wouldn’t have the World’s worst death rate. The whole easing of the lockdown is a joke. Covid-19 is now more prevalent than when restrictions were introduced so I can only surmise this Government is looking for some positive news headlines to distract from their criminally poor handling of the crisis. A second wave is on its way and these clowns in charge will be culpable.
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Post by luke90 on May 29, 2020 16:07:44 GMT
Really? That is a little extreme isn't it? Surely call for an enquiry into the whole handling of it, not the actions of one man. I fully agree that he was in the wrong, and the excuses are piss poor, but clearly the man brings something to the table for Boris and co. Doesn't matter if you like him or not, you don't know what he does day to day (not backing him BTW, just trying to bring some reason to this whole story about someone going out of the house). The people who use this as an excuse to do what they like are pretty pathetic really, though sadly, a lot are going to try it. Not really extreme, in comparison with what’s going on. He’s the Prime Minister’s Chief Advisor and clearly the advice he’s giving is pretty shit. Otherwise we wouldn’t have the World’s worst death rate. The whole easing of the lockdown is a joke. Covid-19 is now more prevalent than when restrictions were introduced so I can only surmise this Government is looking for some positive news headlines to distract from their criminally poor handling of the crisis. A second wave is on its way and these clowns in charge will be culpable. His isn't the only advise though. If you have a look at who is involved, we have some of the best and brightest people in the world to hand to offer advice. If this is being listened to or not, no one really knows apart from the people involved. I do think though that going mental over someone making a trip, though that shouldn't have done it, is well over the top. If it was anyone else, it wouldn't get this level of attention. I'd argue that even Boris going out wouldn't get this much attention. Mistakes have most definitely been made, that is astonishingly clear, whatever you take on politics though, to say that those in charge want people to die effectively, is just bang out of order and not true in the slightest.
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 29, 2020 16:16:16 GMT
Not really extreme, in comparison with what’s going on. He’s the Prime Minister’s Chief Advisor and clearly the advice he’s giving is pretty shit. Otherwise we wouldn’t have the World’s worst death rate. The whole easing of the lockdown is a joke. Covid-19 is now more prevalent than when restrictions were introduced so I can only surmise this Government is looking for some positive news headlines to distract from their criminally poor handling of the crisis. A second wave is on its way and these clowns in charge will be culpable. His isn't the only advise though. If you have a look at who is involved, we have some of the best and brightest people in the world to hand to offer advice. If this is being listened to or not, no one really knows apart from the people involved. I do think though that going mental over someone making a trip, though that shouldn't have done it, is well over the top. If it was anyone else, it wouldn't get this level of attention. I'd argue that even Boris going out wouldn't get this much attention. Mistakes have most definitely been made, that is astonishingly clear, whatever you take on politics though, to say that those in charge want people to die effectively, is just bang out of order and not true in the slightest. Cummings: “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”
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Post by arthuro on May 29, 2020 16:16:43 GMT
Looks like Drakeford wants the Welsh to experience the same level of incarceration as his jailed son.
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Post by Wortleyblue on May 29, 2020 17:44:03 GMT
His isn't the only advise though. If you have a look at who is involved, we have some of the best and brightest people in the world to hand to offer advice. If this is being listened to or not, no one really knows apart from the people involved. I do think though that going mental over someone making a trip, though that shouldn't have done it, is well over the top. If it was anyone else, it wouldn't get this level of attention. I'd argue that even Boris going out wouldn't get this much attention. Mistakes have most definitely been made, that is astonishingly clear, whatever you take on politics though, to say that those in charge want people to die effectively, is just bang out of order and not true in the slightest. Cummings: “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”I would be interested as to where you heard him say that
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 29, 2020 17:53:18 GMT
You know fully well I didn’t hear it myself; it was widely reported in the press.
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Post by Al on May 29, 2020 18:01:58 GMT
Looks like Drakeford wants the Welsh to experience the same level of incarceration as his jailed son. A cautious approach is the best approach
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Post by Ian H Block on May 29, 2020 19:01:03 GMT
Not really extreme, in comparison with what’s going on. He’s the Prime Minister’s Chief Advisor and clearly the advice he’s giving is pretty shit. Otherwise we wouldn’t have the World’s worst death rate. The whole easing of the lockdown is a joke. Covid-19 is now more prevalent than when restrictions were introduced so I can only surmise this Government is looking for some positive news headlines to distract from their criminally poor handling of the crisis. A second wave is on its way and these clowns in charge will be culpable. His isn't the only advise though. If you have a look at who is involved, we have some of the best and brightest people in the world to hand to offer advice. If this is being listened to or not, no one really knows apart from the people involved. I do think though that going mental over someone making a trip, though that shouldn't have done it, is well over the top. If it was anyone else, it wouldn't get this level of attention. I'd argue that even Boris going out wouldn't get this much attention. Mistakes have most definitely been made, that is astonishingly clear, whatever you take on politics though, to say that those in charge want people to die effectively, is just bang out of order and not true in the slightest. SAGE adviser Prof John Edmunds told a science media briefing 8k new infections a day (as calculated by ONS) was “a very high incidence” level - “many of us would prefer to see incidence down to lower levels before we relax measures - lifting the lockdown is a political decision”. Sinister intent or are the Tories just really, really rubbish?
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Post by Lobster on May 29, 2020 21:17:36 GMT
Looks like Drakeford wants the Welsh to experience the same level of incarceration as his jailed son. A cautious approach is the best approach Sweden proves that for me. Taking a gamble on no lockdown, even if it pays off, was the wrong thing to do when lives are at stake, but the fact that their death rate is way ahead of other Scandanavian countries suggests it hasn't worked. And I do think general bad behaviour from governments has a detrimental effect on how countries fight the pandemic, that's why the Cummings fiasco and pathetic defence of it is about more than Cummings himself. I don't think it's any coincidence that some of the worst affected countries are the ones with absolute clowns in charge - us, the US and Brazil for a start. Although this situation is awful, I really don't think as a politician it's that difficult to manage. It's an easy vote winner, in fact. All you've got to do is listen to scientists, give clear advice, respect it yourself and show compassion, but the likes of Johnson and Bolsanero can't do that, and Trump is just extraordinary. The highest death toll in the world, coupled with a crisis in policing and black riots, and what's he spending his time doing? Trying to shut down Twitter for deleting one of his tweets! The guy needs removing.
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Post by Lobster on May 29, 2020 21:32:14 GMT
Cummings: “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.” I would be interested as to where you heard him say that He was quoted by The Sunday Times as saying that was the strategy at the end of February. He and No. 10 then denied he said this. Depends who you believe, I suppose. Has Cummings earned our trust? I know papers print crap but simply making up quotes? He'd be in a position to take them on if they did that, wouldn't he?
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 30, 2020 5:28:13 GMT
I would be interested as to where you heard him say that He was quoted by The Sunday Times as saying that was the strategy at the end of February. He and No. 10 then denied he said this. Depends who you believe, I suppose. Has Cummings earned our trust? I know papers print crap but simply making up quotes? He'd be in a position to take them on if they did that, wouldn't he? Whereas Johnson has been sacked from a previous job with a newspaper for making up quotes.
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Post by Ian H Block on May 30, 2020 7:27:28 GMT
Deaths yesterday across Europe: Spain 2 Italy 87 Germany 24 France 52 Turkey 28 Belgium 42 Sweden 84 Portugal 14 Ireland 6 Poland 13 Romania 13 Hungary 8 Netherlands 28
UK ... 324 Apparently we’ve met all the conditions to ease lockdown restrictions. Somebody stop the Tory genocide.
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 30, 2020 8:15:58 GMT
The people aren’t dying quick enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 8:22:35 GMT
So how can we speed it up. Is this your attempt at humour.
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