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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2020 9:44:59 GMT
There is a link between the behaviour of people and their governments, and both feed off each other. Our people have decided to elect this ridiculous government, and in turn the behaviour of the government (e.g. defending Dominic Cummings' simply inexcusable behaviour) rubs off on the "monkey see, monkey do" elements of our society. Defending Dominic Cummings was inexcusable and you have to give Starmer his due in dealing with Long-Bailey but that does not give people the green light to behave like absolute idiots. My Dad used to say to me if I put my hand in the fire will you? No is the answer Of course, but people are idiots and always will be idiots, and idiot management is part of a government's job. We don't elect Joe Public so there's little point in blaming him. We do elect politicians, and can vote them out as well.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 26, 2020 9:55:19 GMT
Does that include the billionaires that fund the Labour party or are they exempt from your vitriol Which billionaires would these be? Unite the Union is Labour’s biggest donor. Lord Sainsbury and John Mills to name but 2
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 26, 2020 9:59:23 GMT
Which billionaires would these be? Unite the Union is Labour’s biggest donor. Lord Sainsbury and John Mills to name but 2 Lord Sainsbury stopped donating to various political party causes and instead decided to switch his donations to charitable causes... three years ago. Similarly Mills hasn’t donated for almost five years and has never been a billionaire. Anybody else, or are you just going to keep saying random stuff?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 26, 2020 10:11:40 GMT
Defending Dominic Cummings was inexcusable and you have to give Starmer his due in dealing with Long-Bailey but that does not give people the green light to behave like absolute idiots. My Dad used to say to me if I put my hand in the fire will you? No is the answer Of course, but people are idiots and always will be idiots, and idiot management is part of a government's job. We don't elect Joe Public so there's little point in blaming him. We do elect politicians, and can vote them out as well. The problem with idiotic minority is they ruin everything for the vast majority (Chester & Wrexham springs to mind bubble matches because of a few idiots) so the only way then is to "bubble" everyone and go back into complete lockdown until a cure is found by then the country would be bankrupt there would be no NHS etc to care for people and thousands more will die and millions out of work, it is a very fine balance and one I wouldn't wish on any Politician and yes mistakes have been made as they would have been whoever was in charge, what this country needs is to pull together to get over this crisis we all need to play our part and if that means staying off the beaches etc so be it
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2020 10:12:57 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 26, 2020 10:22:28 GMT
Lord Sainsbury and John Mills to name but 2 Lord Sainsbury stopped donating to various political party causes and instead decided to switch his donations to charitable causes... three years ago. Similarly Mills hasn’t donated for almost five years and has never been a billionaire. Anybody else, or are you just going to keep saying random stuff?Not Not just random I didn't realise they had stopped donating I just remember them being Labour benefactors. So you don't have any rich benefactors hardly surprising given your hatred of them and correct me if I'm wrong isn't the union donation an automatic levy (ie not giving members a choice) on its members
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 26, 2020 10:30:04 GMT
Well that is what the government are hoping for to be fair. Remember, people have a civic duty and responsibility to go to the pub and get the economy moving for the billionaires.Does that include the billionaires that fund the Labour party or are they exempt from your vitriol Which billionaires would they be?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 26, 2020 10:30:13 GMT
Lord Sainsbury stopped donating to various political party causes and instead decided to switch his donations to charitable causes... three years ago. Similarly Mills hasn’t donated for almost five years and has never been a billionaire. Anybody else, or are you just going to keep saying random stuff?Not Not just random I didn't realise they had stopped donating I just remember them being Labour benefactors. So you don't have any rich benefactors hardly surprising given your hatred of them and correct me if I'm wrong isn't the union donation an automatic levy (ie not giving members a choice) on its members Hatred? Or just wanting billionaires to pay their fair share to contribute to society? Unite members are encouraged to contribute to the unions political fund but can request exemption if they wish. Next...
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 26, 2020 10:31:09 GMT
Does that include the billionaires that fund the Labour party or are they exempt from your vitriol Which billionaires would they be? I’ve already asked him and proven him wrong; he’s now changed tack to suggest the unions force their members to give money to Labour.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 26, 2020 10:38:35 GMT
Lord Sainsbury stopped donating to various political party causes and instead decided to switch his donations to charitable causes... three years ago. Similarly Mills hasn’t donated for almost five years and has never been a billionaire. Anybody else, or are you just going to keep saying random stuff?Not Not just random I didn't realise they had stopped donating I just remember them being Labour benefactors. So you don't have any rich benefactors hardly surprising given your hatred of them and correct me if I'm wrong isn't the union donation an automatic levy (ie not giving members a choice) on its members Yes, I am going to correct you as you are wrong. Members have to actively opt-in to the political levy and this has been the case since the 2016 Trades Union Act.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 26, 2020 10:51:05 GMT
Not just random I didn't realise they had stopped donating I just remember them being Labour benefactors. So you don't have any rich benefactors hardly surprising given your hatred of them and correct me if I'm wrong isn't the union donation an automatic levy (ie not giving members a choice) on its members Yes, I am going to correct you as you are wrong. Members have to actively opt-in to the political levy and this has been the case since the 2016 Trades Union Act. Who brought that in I wonder so up until then I was correct in my understanding and do you agree with that or not (I have been retired a number of years so I am obviously not as up to date as I should be)
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 26, 2020 12:24:59 GMT
Yes, I am going to correct you as you are wrong. Members have to actively opt-in to the political levy and this has been the case since the 2016 Trades Union Act. Who brought that in I wonder so up until then I was correct in my understanding and do you agree with that or not (I have been retired a number of years so I am obviously not as up to date as I should be) Who do you think brought in the Trades Union Act 2016? As for arguing that you were nearly right, or correct up to a point, I’m a bit loathe to criticise in case upsidedown comes on and accuses me of being anti-Semantic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:25:21 GMT
Upsides down has been Concreting all day. Just finished and has no interest what so ever in trade unions at the moment as I need to sink a few cold ones.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 26, 2020 14:28:13 GMT
Had you been concreting all day yesterday in that heat you probably would’ve been interested in trade unions x
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:32:44 GMT
Was fixing shuttering yesterday. Do they have unions for 75 year old xxx
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:45:33 GMT
I was a member of asw from 15 years of age until they were amalgamated with ucatt. Been card steward. And federation steward. Paid a lot of money in subs for naff all.
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Post by arthuro on Jun 27, 2020 20:17:26 GMT
Now it’s safe to do so and we’ll conquer the virus by next Friday night I’m all set and ready for Benidorm. Just need my haircut on Saturday, a good drinking sesh on Sunday round a few pubs and then off to the airport on Monday.
Happy Days Lads!
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Post by Lobster on Jun 28, 2020 11:26:41 GMT
Now it’s safe to do so and we’ll conquer the virus by next Friday night I’m all set and ready for Benidorm. Just need my haircut on Saturday, a good drinking sesh on Sunday round a few pubs and then off to the airport on Monday. Happy Days Lads! I'd suggest an eye test before you go. Make sure you drive about 25 miles for it, especially if you can't see.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 28, 2020 12:30:26 GMT
Nice to see our Puppet PM is showing the public he’s getting a grip on the pandemic by doing press ups in his office.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 28, 2020 16:43:58 GMT
Nice to see our Puppet PM is showing the public he’s getting a grip on the pandemic by doing press ups in his office. I think there's no doubt that Johnson's outbursts of eccentricity are there to act as a distraction, but there's also a more radical theory that they are a search engine optimisation strategy. Remember when he was rambling about his hobby of painting model buses? At that time, there were negative stories to do with him and buses (the Brexit bus and the dubious claims on it), wine (the row with his partner over spilt wine that escalated into a police incident) and models (it was alleged that he abused his position as Mayor of London to give financial favours to a former model). By creating a new story about making model buses out of wine boxes, it meant that if you searched for his name followed by 'model', 'buses', or 'wine', search engines returned a nonsense story about him rather than a more serious one. So now, if you Google 'Boris Johnson press', you just get him doing press-ups in his office. What did you get before? Him being "pressed" on something? His relationship with the press, including his controversial past as a journalist? A lot will dismiss this theory as crazy, but I think there could be something in it. Online reputation management is a well-known strategy among shady businesspeople, and it involves trying to edge out negative news about you by creating better publicity.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 28, 2020 19:28:45 GMT
Scotland is showing us just what a vaguely competent government demonstrating a bit of leadership can achieve. Alas, we are cursed with BoJo the Clown and his cabinet of mediocrities. Wife is Scottish, and after the inevitable break up of the UK post-Brexshit, I fancy moving up there and getting a Scottish passport.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 29, 2020 16:52:28 GMT
Can anyone explain what exactly the thinking is behind having the grand reopening of pubs on a Saturday?
You can bet your life that this weekend, we'll see pictures of rammed pubs, people queueing up at the bar and hugging each other drunkenly, followed by condemnation from the government about people "taking advantage" and "not showing common sense". It's their job to encourage common sense. Surely the sensible thing to do would be to open them on a Monday, so people might just go for a quiet drink or two in the week and avoid the surge at the weekend?
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Post by arthuro on Jun 29, 2020 18:47:17 GMT
Can anyone explain what exactly the thinking is behind having the grand reopening of pubs on a Saturday? You can bet your life that this weekend, we'll see pictures of rammed pubs, people queueing up at the bar and hugging each other drunkenly, followed by condemnation from the government about people "taking advantage" and "not showing common sense". It's their job to encourage common sense. Surely the sensible thing to do would be to open them on a Monday, so people might just go for a quiet drink or two in the week and avoid the surge at the weekend? With over 8 million on furlough the pubs won’t be that quiet on a Monday.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 29, 2020 19:02:34 GMT
Watching Panorama and it’s utterly shocking how appallingly badly the test and trace system has been managed. Once again it’s just an exercise in transferring public money to private hands and corpses piling up are the consequence. Absolutely shameful.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 30, 2020 11:07:40 GMT
From the ONS "The overall number of deaths in England and Wales was 637 lower in the week ending 19 June compared to the previous week, at 9,339 and the number of UK deaths that week actually came in under the five-year average. The UK registered 10,681 deaths, eight fewer than the five-year average". Strange that our resident figure quoters haven't' mentioned this
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Post by luke90 on Jun 30, 2020 11:15:45 GMT
Watching Panorama and it’s utterly shocking how appallingly badly the test and trace system has been managed. Once again it’s just an exercise in transferring public money to private hands and corpses piling up are the consequence. Absolutely shameful. I must admit, this has annoyed me. I work in software development and deal a lot with government agencies along with the NHS and i know these things can take time and get caught up in red tape. But the scope of work is clear, it should have been up and running weeks ago.
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Post by delamereal on Jun 30, 2020 13:01:08 GMT
From the ONS "The overall number of deaths in England and Wales was 637 lower in the week ending 19 June compared to the previous week, at 9,339 and the number of UK deaths that week actually came in under the five-year average. The UK registered 10,681 deaths, eight fewer than the five-year average". Strange that our resident figure quoters haven't' mentioned thisDoesn't suit their agenda does it.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jun 30, 2020 13:15:28 GMT
Scotland is showing us just what a vaguely competent government demonstrating a bit of leadership can achieve. Alas, we are cursed with BoJo the Clown and his cabinet of mediocrities. Wife is Scottish, and after the inevitable break up of the UK post-Brexshit, I fancy moving up there and getting a Scottish passport. New Zealand have also handled the crisis pretty well, if you're still after ideas.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 30, 2020 14:42:51 GMT
From the ONS "The overall number of deaths in England and Wales was 637 lower in the week ending 19 June compared to the previous week, at 9,339 and the number of UK deaths that week actually came in under the five-year average. The UK registered 10,681 deaths, eight fewer than the five-year average". Strange that our resident figure quoters haven't' mentioned this It's an encouraging week, fair play. The same report does also say though that these figures are higher than the ones being reported by the Department of Health.
Despite what you may think, we don't actually want death rates to be high so we can have a go at the government! But I believe being an apologist for the government is bordering on offensive given what a mess they've made of the whole thing.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 30, 2020 17:22:11 GMT
From the ONS "The overall number of deaths in England and Wales was 637 lower in the week ending 19 June compared to the previous week, at 9,339 and the number of UK deaths that week actually came in under the five-year average. The UK registered 10,681 deaths, eight fewer than the five-year average". Strange that our resident figure quoters haven't' mentioned this Yeah, if we can just ignore the 65,000 dead, they’re doing a cracking job.
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