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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 19:54:58 GMT
So there is not a good party between the two of them. I think neither of them should ask for rent. How about you?
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 12, 2020 20:04:53 GMT
So there is not a good party between the two of them. I think neither of them should ask for rent. How about you? Local Authorities have to get their money from somewhere to maintain services as it’s clear those promises of support from the Tory Government were entirely empty. Anyway I think I’m the wrong person to ask as I wasn’t the one who originally posted it or weighed in with this beauty: “ It does not alter the fact that the post Wortley put up was correct the Labour controlled council want rent from traders who could not trade because their market was closed. Spin it how you like the tories did not ask for the rent.” |
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Jul 12, 2020 20:15:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 20:15:15 GMT
I don't think you could ever criticise your party as the words would stick in your throat. I know it's a beauty but it is also the truth. You were just trying to deflect the truth by picking holes In what he posted. Do you think labour is as bad as Conservative for asking for rent. I do.
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Jul 12, 2020 20:30:46 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 12, 2020 20:30:46 GMT
I don't think you could ever criticise your party as the words would stick in your throat. I know it's a beauty but it is also the truth. You were just trying to deflect the truth by picking holes In what he posted. Do you think labour is as bad as Conservative for asking for rent. I do. I’m not criticising any Local Authority as I’m fully aware of the difficult decisions that have to be made. You are the one who is pointing the finger at the Labour Party and saying the Tories aren’t asking for rent, despite that being a complete falsehood. Not too difficult to understand, surely? |
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Jul 12, 2020 20:43:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 20:43:39 GMT
I said the tories were not asking for rent for the market stalls in leeds. But I guess you knew that. By the way I don't think any party should ask for rent. How about you?.
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Jul 12, 2020 20:50:23 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 12, 2020 20:50:23 GMT
I said the tories were not asking for rent for the market stalls in leeds. But I guess you knew that. By the way I don't think any party should ask for rent. How about you?. And the only reason they weren’t asking for rent in Leeds is because they don’t control Leeds Council. But I guess you knew that. As for your supplementary, I’ve already answered that. Twice. |
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Jul 12, 2020 21:05:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 21:05:33 GMT
You are right they asked for rent In Harrogate. Just like labour in leeds. So is this a first you actually think the tories and Labour are both right. Just for the record I think they are both wrong. How can you run a business if the market is closed.
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Jul 12, 2020 21:22:32 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 12, 2020 21:22:32 GMT
You are right they asked for rent In Harrogate. Just like labour in leeds. So is this a first you actually think the tories and Labour are both right. Just for the record I think they are both wrong. How can you run a business if the market is closed. I never said they were right, but I can understand how these decisions were reached. If you believe it is wrong for Local Authorities to charge rent whilst markets were closed, I take it you have the same opinion about private landlords charging rent on shops and restaurants that had to close, or individuals who had become unemployed? |
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Jul 12, 2020 21:28:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 21:28:01 GMT
you take it wrong stop trying to put words out that are not there .not a lot of point in this as you are as slippery as any politician .busy day tomorrow so good night
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Jul 12, 2020 21:37:33 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 12, 2020 21:37:33 GMT
you take it wrong stop trying to put words out that are not there .not a lot of point in this as you are as slippery as any politician .busy day tomorrow so good night I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Do you not think it is a valid to compare Councils charging rent to market traders who cannot trade; commercial landlords who charge rent on units where businesses cannot operate and private landlords who charge rent to workers who cannot work? Have a long, hard think about it. |
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Jul 13, 2020 6:49:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 6:49:55 GMT
Try this. Your words I take it you have the same opinion of private landlords. My words. You take it wrong.
You answer every question that may involve you sayng something derogatory about Labour by not actually answering the question. Is that easier to understand. I'll try again if they both charge rent they are in my eyes as bad as each other.what do you think A simple yes or no will do.
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Jul 13, 2020 6:58:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 6:58:42 GMT
In my opinion all people who have been put on furlough should pay 80% of rent, mortgage, rates, gas, electric. And any other bills they would normally pay. Most people on furlough have actually saved money. No fuel for the car no pub no meals out. I know I have and I live on the state pension
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Jul 13, 2020 7:00:47 GMT
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Post by cheshireblue on Jul 13, 2020 7:00:47 GMT
Leeds Council have given traders until 2022 to try and pay any owed rent and will not be pursuing through legal channels those who can’t pay.
Harrogate’s Council didn’t even tell traders they could apply for a £10,000 grant from the Government.
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Jul 13, 2020 7:02:48 GMT
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Post by cheshireblue on Jul 13, 2020 7:02:48 GMT
In my opinion all people who have been put on furlough should pay 80% of rent, mortgage, rates, gas, electric. And any other bills they would normally pay. Most people on furlough have actually saved money. No fuel for the car no pub no meals out. I know I have and I live on the state pension Most people were able to defer payments for three months. Whilst there are many (myself included) who benefited from furlough, there are those that now will be wondering even when their next wage will be coming from. |
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Jul 13, 2020 7:03:15 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 13, 2020 7:03:15 GMT
Leeds Council have given traders until 2022 to try and pay any owed rent and will not be pursuing through legal channels those who can’t pay. Harrogate’s Council didn’t even tell traders they could apply for a £10,000 grant from the Government. Finally some facts amongst all the hysteria. |
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Jul 13, 2020 7:29:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 7:29:48 GMT
In my opinion all people who have been put on furlough should pay 80% of rent, mortgage, rates, gas, electric. And any other bills they would normally pay. Most people on furlough have actually saved money. No fuel for the car no pub no meals out. I know I have and I live on the state pension Most people were able to defer payments for three months. Whilst there are many (myself included) who benefited from furlough, there are those that now will be wondering even when their next wage will be coming from. |
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Jul 13, 2020 7:31:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 7:31:30 GMT
These are the people who should be helped. Too many have made money out of being on furlough
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Jul 13, 2020 8:53:37 GMT
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Post by cheshireblue on Jul 13, 2020 8:53:37 GMT
These are the people who should be helped. Too many have made money out of being on furlough I’m not sure that’s the case. Without furlough, the current debt would been minuscule in comparison. I am back at work now, but many aren’t, which is why the scheme should continue for the rest of 2020. We are going to have to pay it back anyway with tax and VAT increases anyway, but the damage of not having it would be catostrophic. |
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Jul 13, 2020 9:02:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 9:02:05 GMT
For sure. nothing comes for free.
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Jul 13, 2020 9:05:59 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 13, 2020 9:05:59 GMT
Of course it’ll fall on those who are struggling the most, to pay higher taxes and VAT rather than those with the broadest shoulders who can afford to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 9:25:17 GMT
I always had the belief if the NHS needed more money. an extra one or two pence on tax would not have made a lot of difference to me.i agree we all should pay according to our ability.you may find it odd me saying this, but why would any body need more than one million. If I had that kind of money I would probably die with most of it unspent. There are far to many greedy people in this world yet you still can't buy a shroud with pockets.
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Jul 13, 2020 9:43:34 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 13, 2020 9:43:34 GMT
I always had the belief if the NHS needed more money. an extra one or two pence on tax would not have made a lot of difference to me.i agree we all should pay according to our ability.you may find it odd me saying this, but why would any body need more than one million. If I had that kind of money I would probably die with most of it unspent. There are far to many greedy people in this world yet you still can't buy a shroud with pockets. Wow. Have you taken a bang to the head? Probably the first time I’ve ever liked one your posts. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 13, 2020 10:03:52 GMT
I always had the belief if the NHS needed more money. an extra one or two pence on tax would not have made a lot of difference to me.i agree we all should pay according to our ability.you may find it odd me saying this, but why would any body need more than one million. If I had that kind of money I would probably die with most of it unspent. There are far to many greedy people in this world yet you still can't buy a shroud with pockets. Well said ups I have always said that the lottery should make 100 millionaires rather than 1 £100millionaire |
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Jul 13, 2020 16:43:06 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 13, 2020 16:43:06 GMT
New Zealand have declared themselves Covid free. Their early and strict restrictions limited deaths to just 22.
In the UK after an estimated 60k deaths, we are still debating wearing face masks..
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Jul 14, 2020 7:36:56 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 14, 2020 7:36:56 GMT
The U turn on face masks takes away the very last pretence that this govt had the slightest idea what they were doing in response to the pandemic.
We’ve ended up copying the rest of the world, just far too slowly.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 14, 2020 8:14:11 GMT
The U turn on face masks takes away the very last pretence that this govt had the slightest idea what they were doing in response to the pandemic. We’ve ended up copying the rest of the world, just far too slowly. Michael Gove still did his best to muddy the waters at the weekend by saying they shouldn't be mandatory and he trusted the public's "good sense". I suppose he would, trusting public's levels of "sense" has worked out pretty well for him and his party in the last few years! |
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Jul 14, 2020 8:46:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 8:46:54 GMT
To be honest about the face mask thing the w h o rattled on for months about the fact that there was no evidence that he wearing of masks was beneficial. As usual nobody knows. If you feel safer wearing one do so you should not really need someone to tell you what is best for you.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 14, 2020 8:50:41 GMT
To be honest about the face mask thing the w h o rattled on for months about the fact that there was no evidence that he wearing of masks was beneficial. As usual nobody knows. If you feel safer wearing one do so you should not really need someone to tell you what is best for you. True, but the masks are more about protecting others than yourself.
At a time like this, the government needs to be issuing clear guidance. At no point during this crisis have they done that.
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Jul 14, 2020 9:15:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 9:15:21 GMT
I agree they have played the trust card more than the mandatory one. But reading this mornings news there is still mixed messages and not just from government. Every day another professor. Or chair of some board or another is rolled out with differing opinions, but each believing they are right. We don't like to be told what to do or what not to do it's a very British thing, but sometimes the hard word is the only answer.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 14, 2020 9:38:19 GMT
I suspect the big concern about masks all along has been how to relay the advice about them to people.
In principle, I'm sure wearing anything in front of the mouth can't do any harm. You don't need to be a medic to understand that. However, I suspect the main worry the WHO has is that if you clumsily just tell people to "wear masks", they will do two things:
1. Fiddle with it, take their masks on and off every two seconds, and contaminate their hands
2. Overestimate the benefits of the mask and start ignoring basic precautions like hand washing and social distancing
The WHO is probably aware that they're dealing with some incredibly ignorant governments around the world.
Saying "wear a mask" is not good enough. What kind of mask? Will a scarf do or should it be an NHS approved one?
When should it be applied? As you're entering a shop, or should you put it on before leaving the house and leave it on until you get home?
Can masks be used repeatedly? Should you clean them? If so, how?
The government is currently spending more millions telling us about Brexit. F**k Brexit. They should be putting clear, actionable information on COVID-19 through every door in the UK, just like they did with Brexit propaganda (mostly pro-Remain, for what it's worth).
This is the most serious, sudden and urgent crisis most of us have known in our lifetimes. And it should have been a very easy vote winner for the current Government, given that we're all on the same side and fighting, in effect, a rare apolitical war.
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