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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 9:49:30 GMT
Who were the companies that were not allowed to tender?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 9:54:59 GMT
Do you know the difference between fight and talk l reckon a lot of soldiers would have loved the opportunity to talk rather than fight. Forgot the fella
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 9:57:32 GMT
Do you know the difference between fight and talk l reckon a lot of soldiers would have loved the opportunity to talk rather than fight. Forgot the fella Get a load of Rambo over here. Who have you been fighting then, Action Man? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 10:02:25 GMT
Where have I said I fight. 75 years of age fella.. you have a lot of growing up to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 10:04:47 GMT
Perhaps Frank the oracle can answer. Who are the companies that were not allowed to tender?
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Post by Lobster on Jul 18, 2020 10:10:44 GMT
Who were the companies that were not allowed to tender? You're question doesn't make a lot of sense. It's like asking "which animals aren't a horse?" Every company except Randox, is your answer. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jul 18, 2020 10:15:04 GMT
I do love the patronising faux-heroism of the boomer generation. Spending their days attacking Black Lives Matter, 'accidentally' sharing Britain First posts on Facebook, getting angry about 'halal' bread and 'benefit scroungers' etc. and at the same time thinking they are part of some sort of heroic national effort that defeated Nazism.
Not once do they stop to think, "Looking at my political views, I wonder who I might have supported had I been alive in Germany in the 1930's?"
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Post by Lobster on Jul 18, 2020 10:15:05 GMT
What's definitely true is:
-Randox won/was given the contract unopposed
-Conservative MP Owen Paterson takes a £100,000 a year from Randox
- The testing kits have been found to be inadequate
- Both the government and Randox have refused to comment on whether Paterson had any influence on Randox getting the contract
Those are all true. How you piece the jigsaw together is up to you.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 10:25:09 GMT
Where have I said I fight. 75 years of age fella.. you have a lot of growing up to do. I’m 52 so I’m not sure how much more growing up I need to do fella. |
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Post by arthuro on Jul 18, 2020 10:29:45 GMT
Where have I said I fight. 75 years of age fella.. you have a lot of growing up to do. I’m 52 so I’m not sure how much more growing up I need to do fella. That’s as surprising as Chester fans on the other thread wanting Burton to start. I thought you were about 14 or 15. No offence. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 18, 2020 10:37:35 GMT
I do love the patronising faux-heroism of the boomer generation. Spending their days attacking Black Lives Matter, 'accidentally' sharing Britain First posts on Facebook, getting angry about 'halal' bread and 'benefit scroungers' etc. and at the same time thinking they are part of some sort of heroic national effort that defeated Nazism. Not once do they stop to think, "Looking at my political views, I wonder who I might have supported had I been alive in Germany in the 1930's?" So are you saying WW2 was wrong and we should not have fought Nazism and allowed them to run amok through Europe and the rest of the world, also if you opposed Hitler in the 30s you would most likely end up dead. The far right in this country are no better than the Nazis of the 30s and there is no way should we let them have any control in this country the far left are no better infiltrating the peaceful Black Lives Matter protests and turning them into near riots therefore reducing the effect of what is a legitimate protest. I dont know your age D C but my father fought during WW2 and my Uncle was killed in Singapore assumedly you have ancestors involved in the conflict so lets not undermine what was achieved back then |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 10:39:39 GMT
I’m 52 so I’m not sure how much more growing up I need to do fella. That’s as surprising as Chester fans on the other thread wanting Burton to start. I thought you were about 14 or 15. No offence. No offence taken. I’ve got good skin and magnificent hair for my age. Plus I don’t reek of fascism and Werther’s Originals. A positive attitude and a lifetime fighting for social justice keeps you young. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 10:40:24 GMT
I do love the patronising faux-heroism of the boomer generation. Spending their days attacking Black Lives Matter, 'accidentally' sharing Britain First posts on Facebook, getting angry about 'halal' bread and 'benefit scroungers' etc. and at the same time thinking they are part of some sort of heroic national effort that defeated Nazism. Not once do they stop to think, "Looking at my political views, I wonder who I might have supported had I been alive in Germany in the 1930's?" So are you saying WW2 was wrong and we should not have fought Nazism and allowed them to run amok through Europe and the rest of the world, also if you opposed Hitler in the 30s you would most likely end up dead. The far right in this country are no better than the Nazis of the 30s and there is no way should we let them have any control in this country the far left are no better infiltrating the peaceful Black Lives Matter protests and turning them into near riots therefore reducing the effect of what is a legitimate protest. I dont know your age D C but my father fought during WW2 and my Uncle was killed in Singapore assumedly you have ancestors involved in the conflict so lets not undermine what was achieved back then Whooooooooooooossssshhhhhh!!!!!! |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 18, 2020 10:42:54 GMT
I do love the patronising faux-heroism of the boomer generation. Spending their days attacking Black Lives Matter, 'accidentally' sharing Britain First posts on Facebook, getting angry about 'halal' bread and 'benefit scroungers' etc. and at the same time thinking they are part of some sort of heroic national effort that defeated Nazism. Not once do they stop to think, "Looking at my political views, I wonder who I might have supported had I been alive in Germany in the 1930's?" So are you saying WW2 was wrong and we should not have fought Nazism and allowed them to run amok through Europe and the rest of the world, also if you opposed Hitler in the 30s you would most likely end up dead. The far right in this country are no better than the Nazis of the 30s and there is no way should we let them have any control in this country the far left are no better infiltrating the peaceful Black Lives Matter protests and turning them into near riots therefore reducing the effect of what is a legitimate protest. I dont know your age D C but my father fought during WW2 and my Uncle was killed in Singapore assumedly you have ancestors involved in the conflict so lets not undermine what was achieved back then I could be wrong but I think he’s saying it’s a shame we fought the Nazis 80 years ago to have post-War children now holding the views that would’ve passed as the norm in Nazi Germany. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 18, 2020 10:52:36 GMT
So are you saying WW2 was wrong and we should not have fought Nazism and allowed them to run amok through Europe and the rest of the world, also if you opposed Hitler in the 30s you would most likely end up dead. The far right in this country are no better than the Nazis of the 30s and there is no way should we let them have any control in this country the far left are no better infiltrating the peaceful Black Lives Matter protests and turning them into near riots therefore reducing the effect of what is a legitimate protest. I dont know your age D C but my father fought during WW2 and my Uncle was killed in Singapore assumedly you have ancestors involved in the conflict so lets not undermine what was achieved back then I could be wrong but I think he’s saying it’s a shame we fought the Nazis 80 years ago to have post-War children now holding the views that would’ve passed as the norm in Nazi Germany. We have post war children who have views ranging from the far left to the far right and everything in between that's the democracy that was fought for, extremism though is dangerous whether it be left or right |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 11:02:17 GMT
I could be wrong but I think he’s saying it’s a shame we fought the Nazis 80 years ago to have post-War children now holding the views that would’ve passed as the norm in Nazi Germany. We have post war children who have views ranging from the far left to the far right and everything in between that's the democracy that was fought for, extremism though is dangerous whether it be left or right Once again you have failed to understand the point being made. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 11:06:56 GMT
OK name the companies that were excluded from tendering. It is relevant to the discussion as if only one tendered you could not award it to anyone else
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 18, 2020 11:09:16 GMT
We have post war children who have views ranging from the far left to the far right and everything in between that's the democracy that was fought for, extremism though is dangerous whether it be left or right Once again you have failed to understand the point being made. The point being made was that we have far right extremists I merely pointed out that we have people with all types of political views I note you did not condemn extremism or is the extreme left ok in your eyes |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jul 18, 2020 11:11:03 GMT
Putting the debate of whether the contract was won, lost given or tendered aside for a moment, the simple fact that a serving government has awarded a contract to a company in which a serving MP is taking a salary from should be taken as corrupt. The MP in question should either resign his position from one or the other. The fact that this hasn’t even been covered up with bungs, brown envelopes etc and is all out in the open makes this worse for me rather than better. At least with people taking bungs you can plead ignorance to the contract being awarded, with this being known at the time of the award it absolutely stinks.
Couple in with the fact they the company are also conservative donors makes it even more repugnant.
The fact there are a few posters on here seeing beyond this and quite churlishly arguing over how the contract was awarded is astounding.
With people like that on here alleged supporters of a cooperative, inclusive and democratic run football club it’s no wonder this country is f*ck*d, it makes my blood boil.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 11:13:45 GMT
Putting the debate of whether the contract was won, lost given or tendered aside for a moment, the simple fact that a serving government has awarded a contract to a company in which a serving MP is taking a salary from should be taken as corrupt. The MP in question should either resign his position from one or the other. The fact that this hasn’t even been covered up with bungs, brown envelopes etc and is all out in the open makes this worse for me rather than better. At least with people taking bungs you can plead ignorance to the contract being awarded, with this being known at the time of the award it absolutely stinks. Couple in with the fact they the company are also conservative donors makes it even more repugnant. The fact there are a few posters on here seeing beyond this and quite churlishly arguing over how the contract was awarded is astounding. With people like that on here alleged supporters of a cooperative, inclusive and democratic run football club it’s no wonder this country is f*ck*d, it makes my blood boil. Nail. On. The. Head. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 11:20:20 GMT
Once again you have failed to understand the point being made. The point being made was that we have far right extremists I merely pointed out that we have people with all types of political views I note you did not condemn extremism or is the extreme left ok in your eyes Again, you are missing the point by some margin. A morning wasted arguing on here brings to mind THIS article (don’t you and upsidedown worry, it’s in the Daily Heil). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 11:20:35 GMT
So we don't award a testing contract at all because unless some one can say who wanted it we did not have a lot of choice
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Post by Lobster on Jul 18, 2020 11:22:51 GMT
OK name the companies that were excluded from tendering. It is relevant to the discussion as if only one tendered you could not award it to anyone else There you go. Not Randox, but all the other companies listed here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 11:25:27 GMT
And they were All excluded wow
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 18, 2020 11:29:53 GMT
The point being made was that we have far right extremists I merely pointed out that we have people with all types of political views I note you did not condemn extremism or is the extreme left ok in your eyes Again, you are missing the point by some margin. A morning wasted arguing on here brings to mind THIS article (don’t you and upsidedown worry, it’s in the Daily Heil). ok what is the point I am missing |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 11:46:03 GMT
Again, you are missing the point by some margin. A morning wasted arguing on here brings to mind THIS article (don’t you and upsidedown worry, it’s in the Daily Heil). ok what is the point I am missing The point is that the Boomers who love to shoehorn World War 2 analogies into everything and use the fight against the Nazis as some kind of defining point for their lives, despite not having lived through it, hold views (anti-immigrant, casual racism etc.) more at home in the Axis, not Allied Forces. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 18, 2020 11:46:16 GMT
Once again you have failed to understand the point being made. The point being made was that we have far right extremists I merely pointed out that we have people with all types of political views I note you did not condemn extremism or is the extreme left ok in your eyes The “extreme left” are angry about inequality, poverty and social injustice. The far right are angry about the mere existence of people from other ethnicities, religions or sexual backgrounds. Exactly the same eh? x |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 18, 2020 11:58:05 GMT
ok what is the point I am missing The point is that the Boomers who love to shoehorn World War 2 analogies into everything and use the fight against the Nazis as some kind of defining point for their lives, despite not having lived through it, hold views (anti-immigrant, casual racism etc.) more at home in the Axis, not Allied Forces. is that not extremism |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 18, 2020 12:02:19 GMT
The point is that the Boomers who love to shoehorn World War 2 analogies into everything and use the fight against the Nazis as some kind of defining point for their lives, despite not having lived through it, hold views (anti-immigrant, casual racism etc.) more at home in the Axis, not Allied Forces. is that not extremism It’s also hypocrisy, ignorance and a monumental lack of self-awareness. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 18, 2020 12:02:46 GMT
To be honest, I would probably agree that the far-left and far-right are as bad as each other.
The problem is that the real far-left in this country (and many others) is so marginal as to be all but insignificant. Meanwhile, the far-right get elected.
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