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Post by luke90 on Jul 28, 2020 9:25:21 GMT
If quarantining those now returning from Spain is important, why on Earth were people allowed to return freely from Italy in Feb/March with no restrictions, no monitoring, no airport temperature checks, no anything? No rhyme or reason from this shower in charge. We are deliberately being put in a state of constant confusion. Gaslighting on steroids. It is a fair question, but again, it is obvious they are going a different route now to what they started with (which was completely wrong and caused deaths). Also a little side note, not sure why Ian you feel the need to be so condescending.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 28, 2020 18:51:34 GMT
28th July: 119 deaths in England, 2 deaths in Spain. Discuss.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 28, 2020 19:02:30 GMT
28th July: 119 deaths in England, 2 deaths in Spain. Discuss. I’m glad you said England and that’s how we should be reporting the deaths now. The Tories shouldn’t be getting away with bundling the successes of Scotland, Wales and the Occupied Territories in controlling the virus into their disastrous handling of it.
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Post by delamereal on Jul 28, 2020 20:00:05 GMT
You were quite happy to use UK figures when it made them higher.
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Post by cheshireblue on Jul 28, 2020 20:25:41 GMT
You were quite happy to use UK figures when it made them higher. I guess when all 119 UK deaths have been in England, he is factually correct in his comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 21:26:35 GMT
12 hospital deaths in england reported no hospital deaths in scotland or wales reported.no where have i read that the other deaths were all in england or none in wales or scotland.it makes it no better or worse where ever the deaths happened but it's not a bad idea to just stick with the facts
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 28, 2020 21:50:52 GMT
12 hospital deaths in england reported no hospital deaths in scotland or wales reported.no where have i read that the other deaths were all in england or none in wales or scotland.it makes it no better or worse where ever the deaths happened but it's not a bad idea to just stick with the facts Both are factual, your figure just has the word “hospital” in front of it, that’s all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 21:53:27 GMT
not disputing figures .but it does not say they were all in england
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Post by everhopeful on Jul 28, 2020 23:35:23 GMT
12 hospital deaths in england reported no hospital deaths in scotland or wales reported.no where have i read that the other deaths were all in england or none in wales or scotland. It makes it no better or worse where ever the deaths happened but it's not a bad idea to just stick with the facts Both are factual, your figure just has the word “hospital” in front of it, that’s all. So why do we no longer hear how many have died from Covid in care homes, or come to that, anywhere else now? Have they stopped counting? Would it mean, for example, that if I went out for a walk and collapsed & died in the street of it, my death wouldn't be recorded?
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 29, 2020 6:44:07 GMT
Yesterday’s figures revealed that both deaths and new cases are up from last week. But don’t worry, it’s the fault of care workers, fat people and foreigners, nothing to do with the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 8:39:33 GMT
Is there one single source(reliable) that gives exact figures for UK deaths. I have seen excess deaths quoted a lot on here. On checking excess deaths see that the last 5 weeks have been below the previous 5 year rate and week on week lower rates are reported. Does this mean people are only dying from covid as nothing else is reported. Also noted if Scotland and Wales included care homes in their figures they would more than double.please note this is a serious question as there seems to be great discrepancies in all reporting
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Post by luke90 on Jul 29, 2020 8:43:08 GMT
Is there one single source(reliable) that gives exact figures for UK deaths. I have seen excess deaths quoted a lot on here. On checking excess deaths see that the last 5 weeks have been below the previous 5 year rate and week on week lower rates are reported. Does this mean people are only dying from covid as nothing else is reported. Also noted if Scotland and Wales included care homes in their figures they would more than double.please note this is a serious question as there seems to be great discrepancies in all reporting Very good point, and i have seen some very different figures on here compared to news & government sources. Maybe we can all agree to post a link to our sources going forward? Will help debate a little if we can all read over and do our own research into it.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 29, 2020 8:44:30 GMT
Is there one single source(reliable) that gives exact figures for UK deaths. I have seen excess deaths quoted a lot on here. On checking excess deaths see that the last 5 weeks have been below the previous 5 year rate and week on week lower rates are reported. Does this mean people are only dying from covid as nothing else is reported. Also noted if Scotland and Wales included care homes in their figures they would more than double.please note this is a serious question as there seems to be great discrepancies in all reporting Very good point, and i have seen some very different figures on here compared to news & government sources. Maybe we can all agree to post a link to our sources going forward? Will help debate a little if we can all read over and do our own research into it. You’ll just get the argument from both sides of the debate that the source is biased etc etc etc. Seen it plenty of times on this Off-Topic Forum. Last time I was asked to provide a source of my figures by WortleyBlue he mocked it because it wasn’t a mainstream newspaper. Independent online media is the present, let alone the future as newspaper sales continue to plummet. What do you want?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 29, 2020 9:57:26 GMT
Quite something that Boris Johnson now ‘fears’ a second wave of coronavirus within the next two weeks given he has spent the last few months accelerating the easing of the lockdown, telling us it’s our patriotic duty to go to the pub and putting the economy before the science.
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Post by luke90 on Jul 29, 2020 11:32:46 GMT
Quite something that Boris Johnson now ‘fears’ a second wave of coronavirus within the next two weeks given he has spent the last few months accelerating the easing of the lockdown, telling us it’s our patriotic duty to go to the pub and putting the economy before the science. Not great is it. Was always going to be a game of getting the numbers down so the NHS could cope and have a break. Peoples health is, or should be, the priority, but the economy has got to be thought of also regarding lock downs. Also, just a point on your reply to my source question, i do agree with you. Links can always help though IMO. I'll certainly make sure to do it, if people disagree with it, then they can provide something to the contrary.
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Post by delamereal on Jul 29, 2020 12:24:34 GMT
You were quite happy to use UK figures when it made them higher. I guess when all 119 UK deaths have been in England, he is factually correct in his comment.I could test positive today, recover and then get run over by a bus in 6 months time. England would mention Covid -19 on death certificate. As far as I am aware every other country only goes back 28 days, so it wouldn't be mentioned on those death certificates
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Post by Lobster on Jul 29, 2020 12:30:55 GMT
I guess when all 119 UK deaths have been in England, he is factually correct in his comment. I could test positive today, recover and then get run over by a bus in 6 months time. England would mention Covid -19 on death certificate. As far as I am aware every other country only goes back 28 days, so it wouldn't be mentioned on those death certificates Even if that's accurate, I would've thought the number of people who test positive for Covid, recover, and then die of something unrelated within six months would be so small as to be insignificant.
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Post by delamereal on Jul 29, 2020 14:10:51 GMT
I could test positive today, recover and then get run over by a bus in 6 months time. England would mention Covid -19 on death certificate. As far as I am aware every other country only goes back 28 days, so it wouldn't be mentioned on those death certificates Even if that's accurate, I would've thought the number of people who test positive for Covid, recover, and then die of something unrelated within six months would be so small as to be insignificant. Could be 6 years or 60 years, I used 6 months as an example. The 300,000 + in the UK who have tested positive with coronavirus will all have it mentioned on their death certificate as the statistics are currently used. Hence why NHS England is looking into the way the statistics are currently totalled. The rest of the UK (Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland) only quote deaths if the positive test was in the last 28 days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 17:50:13 GMT
I see the airport managers are not happy with people having to quarantine when they come back from certain countries. They suggested that passengers are tested on arrival and another test 5 days later. Sounds brilliant but who is paying for these tests. A family of four should have to pay another £ 1000. Much better if all holidays are cancelled.
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Post by arthuro on Jul 29, 2020 18:28:34 GMT
With the outbreak in Wrexham and surge in cases, it will be interesting to see what the Welsh Labour government do. Surely a local lockdown?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 19:14:34 GMT
Would hope so. Deeside hospital and mold both have spikes
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Post by everhopeful on Jul 29, 2020 23:55:17 GMT
Both are factual, your figure just has the word “hospital” in front of it, that’s all. So why do we no longer hear how many have died from Covid in care homes, or come to that, anywhere else now? Have they stopped counting? Would it mean, for example, that if I went out for a walk and collapsed & died in the street of it, my death wouldn't be recorded? Going on from my question, does it appear to everyone that the government are trying to massage the figures downwards?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 30, 2020 6:50:40 GMT
457 Coronavirus deaths in the UK announced over the last week and 5,000 confirmed new infections. Yesterday one hospital in Essex saw its Respiratory Emergency Department overwhelmed by patients. More locally there’s been a huge spike in Wrexham which seems to be creeping into Flintshire.
Please stay out of pubs and please wear a face mask in public places. The government may not care about our health, but NHS Staff do!
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 30, 2020 8:42:39 GMT
Judging by all the reports this morning it looks like the governments tactic is to blame Johnny Foreigner for any second wave in this country, as if they... I don’t know... can’t control their own borders or something x
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 9:01:13 GMT
I'm still trying to pin down reliable figures for deaths infections and recovery. Not very easy, in Wales and Scotland if you test positive but don't die within 28 days it appears you must have recovered or later died of something else as you do not appear again on covid records. Now in England if you test positive you stay on the list untill you die. You are then bundled together with others that are found after trawling through death Certificates then added as a lump sum to the nearest day's figures. If england has had 350,000 positive tests this will be England's total deaths. It is totally confusing
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 30, 2020 9:55:50 GMT
I see England had highest excess death levels in Europe by end of May. Link to the article here
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 31, 2020 10:26:51 GMT
Judging by all the reports this morning it looks like the governments tactic is to blame Johnny Foreigner for any second wave in this country, as if they... I don’t know... can’t control their own borders or something x Judging by the comments this morning, coupled with the enforced local lockdown directly affecting Eid festivities, it’s now Muslims and BAME people to blame.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 1, 2020 6:36:37 GMT
Remember folks, in most of the North now you can’t catch Covid in pubs, restaurants, shops, gyms, buses, trains, offices, factories or churches but you can catch it by having a cup of tea in your lonely nan’s conservatory.
Crazy how the virus can differentiate between places you can spend your money or make money for your paymasters, and places you can’t.
The lockdown rules have turned into a complete shambles.
They took the daily briefings away in England as the scientists couldn’t explain the politics, and the politicians couldn’t explain the science.
Right now, nobody can do either. A complete mess.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 2, 2020 10:43:47 GMT
Oh dear, BBC News will be in trouble with their paymasters after reporting that a new outbreak in Scotland has been linked to a pub in Aberdeen. They must have missed the memo from head office to blame it all on Muslims celebrating Eid at home.
"Drunk people can't socially distance" - Chairman John Apter of the Police Federation, 5th July 2020, the day after the Tories decreed the reopening of pubs on behalf of donor Tim Martin.
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Post by paulie on Aug 2, 2020 21:13:47 GMT
Looking forward to the “eat out to help out” scheme, il be eating out every Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday for the next month.
Lovely stuff!
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