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Aug 6, 2020 10:24:20 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 6, 2020 10:24:20 GMT
It doesn't exactly look like we're inspiring many European countries to do the same though.
I think it is time to start listening to them rather than just assume we're right and everyone else is wrong.
I think we have inspired a lot of individuals across Europe to leave however politicians will not give them the opportunity to have their say as our Politicians did with us Rightly so in my opinion. Referendums are a bad idea. If the elected government wants to leave the EU they should make that clear in their manifesto, not fob the decision off on the public who (on both sides) largely don't understand what they're voting for. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 6, 2020 10:42:16 GMT
I think we have inspired a lot of individuals across Europe to leave however politicians will not give them the opportunity to have their say as our Politicians did with us Rightly so in my opinion. Referendums are a bad idea. If the elected government wants to leave the EU they should make that clear in their manifesto, not fob the decision off on the public who (on both sides) largely don't understand what they're voting for. I agree that it should be in their manifesto but if its left at that then surely that election becomes a referendum, whereas with an actual referendum at least the public has to decide on the one issue and not complete manifestos (which most of the time don't really happen imo) |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 6, 2020 11:13:18 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 6, 2020 11:17:46 GMT
If that is true with regard to the adviser working for both the Government and the Company involved then that does need to be investigated as that is a conflict of interest and as such should not be allowed to happen, advisers need to be independent both for their impartiality and also to rule out underhand dealings. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 6, 2020 17:00:53 GMT
This Govt has given £225m of taxpayers’ money to a £100 company, owned by a friend of Minister Liz Truss, for PPE that cannot be used. Tragic that we have elected the most corrupt bunch of incompetents at such a critical time in our history. Glad I didn’t vote for this shower, my conscience is clear, I can sleep at night.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 6, 2020 17:02:19 GMT
This Govt has given £225m of taxpayers’ money to a £100 company, owned by a friend of Minister Liz Truss, for PPE that cannot be used. Tragic that we have elected the most corrupt bunch of incompetents at such a critical time in our history. Glad I didn’t vote for this shower, my conscience is clear, I can sleep at night. Source? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 6, 2020 18:07:26 GMT
This Govt has given £225m of taxpayers’ money to a £100 company, owned by a friend of Minister Liz Truss, for PPE that cannot be used. Tragic that we have elected the most corrupt bunch of incompetents at such a critical time in our history. Glad I didn’t vote for this shower, my conscience is clear, I can sleep at night. Source? Sources everywhere, but Here you go |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 6, 2020 18:15:42 GMT
Oh you mean the same story Lobster posted 6hrs previously |
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Aug 6, 2020 18:25:09 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 6, 2020 18:25:09 GMT
Oh you mean the same story Lobster posted 6hrs previously Yes but the BBC failed to mention it was a close personal friend of a Cabinet Minister ripping off the U.K. taxpayer. |
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Aug 6, 2020 19:14:36 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 6, 2020 19:14:36 GMT
Oh you mean the same story Lobster posted 6hrs previously Yes but the BBC failed to mention it was a close personal friend of a Cabinet Minister ripping off the U.K. taxpayer. They did mention it to be fair, albeit not so overtly: "It has emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda." |
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Post by luke90 on Aug 7, 2020 10:48:50 GMT
This Govt has given £225m of taxpayers’ money to a £100 company, owned by a friend of Minister Liz Truss, for PPE that cannot be used. Tragic that we have elected the most corrupt bunch of incompetents at such a critical time in our history. Glad I didn’t vote for this shower, my conscience is clear, I can sleep at night. Not great really, from what I've read. I just don't get it myself, I've started doing some tenders for my company. We go for a lot of government/local authority contracts and the amount of stages and hoops you have to jump through is unreal. Makes a mockery of it all to be honest, and i do hope this is looked into after we get through the pandemic. |
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Aug 8, 2020 8:14:02 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 8, 2020 8:14:02 GMT
Which is an American publication. And...? |
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Aug 8, 2020 8:15:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 8, 2020 8:15:05 GMT
Canadian / American, but let’s not split hairs. If you want a truthful assessment of current affairs probably best not to use the U.K. media"Print media in the UK is the least trusted out of all European countries. In an annual survey of 33 countries (EU states as well as acceding and candidate countries), the UK comes last, a position it has held for 9 of the 10 years the survey has been conducted." A vote by Europe on European newspapers with a similar outcome to Eurovision how surprising, but probably correct as the British press is shite and doesn't really care if it prints the truth or not. Wrong, it was the people of those respective countries who had their say. |
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Aug 8, 2020 8:17:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 8, 2020 8:17:05 GMT
This Govt has given £225m of taxpayers’ money to a £100 company, owned by a friend of Minister Liz Truss, for PPE that cannot be used. Tragic that we have elected the most corrupt bunch of incompetents at such a critical time in our history. Glad I didn’t vote for this shower, my conscience is clear, I can sleep at night. Not great really, from what I've read. I just don't get it myself, I've started doing some tenders for my company. We go for a lot of government/local authority contracts and the amount of stages and hoops you have to jump through is unreal. Makes a mockery of it all to be honest, and i do hope this is looked into after we get through the pandemic. It won’t be looked into. They’ve been giving contracts to their mates for years and will continue to do so. Remember the shipping company that didn’t have any boats given a £13.8m contract? |
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Post by everhopeful on Aug 8, 2020 8:28:49 GMT
Not great really, from what I've read. I just don't get it myself, I've started doing some tenders for my company. We go for a lot of government/local authority contracts and the amount of stages and hoops you have to jump through is unreal. Makes a mockery of it all to be honest, and i do hope this is looked into after we get through the pandemic. It won’t be looked into. They’ve been giving contracts to their mates for years and will continue to do so. Remember the shipping company that didn’t have any boats given a £13.8m contract? This is true. Remember Marples, the Tory Transport minister who had all the contracts for the first motorways allocated to his own firms? |
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Aug 8, 2020 8:58:04 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 8, 2020 8:58:04 GMT
It won’t be looked into. They’ve been giving contracts to their mates for years and will continue to do so. Remember the shipping company that didn’t have any boats given a £13.8m contract? This is true. Remember Marples, the Tory Transport minister who had all the contracts for the first motorways allocated to his own firms? Randex as well, just a few pages back in this thread. Every time there's some sort of duff product or service, it seems that some Tory MP "advised" it, or made money out of the deal. |
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Aug 9, 2020 21:11:22 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 9, 2020 21:11:22 GMT
There are 1,062 new cases today, compared to 744 the previous Sunday. But it’s okay, our PM is going on his third holiday in 9 months tomorrow.
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 12, 2020 6:33:12 GMT
Third highest mortality rate and biggest drop in GDP, Britain under the Tories certainly is world beating. Tragic that we couldn’t adopt a socialist approach to public health like Cuba who despite suffering decades of economic blockade are showing how, by putting people before profit, thousands of lives can be saved. |
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Aug 12, 2020 7:50:14 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 12, 2020 7:50:14 GMT
Third highest mortality rate and biggest drop in GDP, Britain under the Tories certainly is world beating. No wonder the government have brought out the dead cat on a dinghy. |
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Post by luke90 on Aug 12, 2020 8:27:23 GMT
Third highest mortality rate and biggest drop in GDP, Britain under the Tories certainly is world beating. Tragic that we couldn’t adopt a socialist approach to public health like Cuba who despite suffering decades of economic blockade are showing how, by putting people before profit, thousands of lives can be saved. Fair enough, on paper, they have done a good job, though who knows the real picture in countries where most media if not all is censored. I don't think many people would like to live under say Cuban rule long term would they. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 12, 2020 8:47:25 GMT
Third highest mortality rate and biggest drop in GDP, Britain under the Tories certainly is world beating. Tragic that we couldn’t adopt a socialist approach to public health like Cuba who despite suffering decades of economic blockade are showing how, by putting people before profit, thousands of lives can be saved. Interesting article on Socialism written by a Cuba publication. A couple of interesting points 1) By 6 April, the number of confirmed patients rose to 396, with 1,752 hospitalised 2) To stave off the possibility of hunger, the Cuban authorities expanded the existing rationing system. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 12, 2020 9:52:58 GMT
Third highest mortality rate and biggest drop in GDP, Britain under the Tories certainly is world beating. Tragic that we couldn’t adopt a socialist approach to public health like Cuba who despite suffering decades of economic blockade are showing how, by putting people before profit, thousands of lives can be saved. Fair enough, on paper, they have done a good job, though who knows the real picture in countries where most media if not all is censored. I don't think many people would like to live under say Cuban rule long term would they. sufficiently independent for you? They tell the same tale. |
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Aug 12, 2020 9:58:38 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 12, 2020 9:58:38 GMT
Fair enough, on paper, they have done a good job, though who knows the real picture in countries where most media if not all is censored. I don't think many people would like to live under say Cuban rule long term would they. sufficiently independent for you? They tell the same tale. There’s no point, I pointed this out when Luke90 suggested we all provide sources - I pointed out the fact that the same old people will rubbish those sources no matter what. Worley is the absolute worst for it. They may as well stick their fingers in their ears and go “la la la la” until their hero Boris The Butcher appears on TV to say everything is rosy as more and more people perish under his watch. |
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Post by luke90 on Aug 12, 2020 10:11:54 GMT
Fair enough, on paper, they have done a good job, though who knows the real picture in countries where most media if not all is censored. I don't think many people would like to live under say Cuban rule long term would they. sufficiently independent for you? They tell the same tale. Yep, fair enough. I agree they have done a good job indeed on handling Covid. I'd still not like to live under that style of government though, whilst ours is far, far from perfect, we don't have to worry about what we say on an internet message board for example. frank - I've been slowly losing faith in the handling of this whole thing. This second time around, they seem on it, which does raise serious questions about the mess to start with. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 12, 2020 10:40:09 GMT
New Scientist sufficiently independent for you? They tell the same tale. Yep, fair enough. I agree they have done a good job indeed on handling Covid. I'd still not like to live under that style of government though, whilst ours is far, far from perfect, we don't have to worry about what we say on an internet message board for example. frank - I've been slowly losing faith in the handling of this whole thing. This second time around, they seem on it, which does raise serious questions about the mess to start with. I’m not blind to the failings in Cuba, but for such a poor country suffering under years of economic sanctions it’s quite something that it out performs the USA on life expectancy and both us and America on literacy rates. Just shows what socialism and the collective will of the people can achieve. |
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Aug 12, 2020 10:47:02 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2020 10:47:02 GMT
Officially in recession then, although to me it doesn't feel like we ever really got out of the last one.
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 12, 2020 10:50:02 GMT
Officially in recession then, although to me it doesn't feel like we ever really got out of the last one. Another Tory Recession. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Aug 12, 2020 21:23:17 GMT
It really is amazing to see anyone still defending this situation at this point. One of the highest death rates in the world combined with one of the biggest hits to GDP to boot. Imagine the sort of weird bootlicker you'd have to be to do that. And then you see that nearly 50% of the country has no sympathy for refugees fleeing wars (usually started by or involving us) to find safe haven. I've largely given up to be honest - there really aren't any words to describe just how insidious and disgusting a large proportion of this country are. There is just no excuse for such a deep lack of humanity - these people are quite frankly enemies to anyone who dreams of a better, fairer world and should be treated as such.
Even more depressing that we're now back to a Labour Party who wants to appease these people.
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Aug 13, 2020 7:36:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 7:36:22 GMT
i would think 50% is an exageration .most people agree everybody has the right to feel safe.as for wars we started or are involved in surely the same can be said of all countries.why would any one want to travel through many safe countries to reach france.another safe country.then risk their lives to come to such a horrble country as ours.also see many countries are in recession we are not alone .
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Aug 13, 2020 11:52:36 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 13, 2020 11:52:36 GMT
i would think 50% is an exageration .most people agree everybody has the right to feel safe.as for wars we started or are involved in surely the same can be said of all countries.why would any one want to travel through many safe countries to reach france.another safe country.then risk their lives to come to such a horrble country as ours.also see many countries are in recession we are not alone . Like the death rate, the Tory recession is a lot more severe than for other comparable countries. I’m sure posters will be on hand to explain that much like public health, the economy is not something this Government has any control over. |
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