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Post by Lobster on Sept 15, 2020 16:09:11 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2020 16:34:51 GMT
He’s brilliant on social media, championing the rights of those less fortunate. He allows various groups to takeover his Twitter account to promote their causes, including the national newspaper the Morning Star.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 18, 2020 21:04:13 GMT
Every child at Eton got a test as they arrived for the new school year, state schools all over the country are told to do without.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 7:29:03 GMT
Is this test free at Eton. If so who has told state schools they can't have it.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 20, 2020 9:21:17 GMT
I suspect the strategy with these tests is much the same as the Tories' strategy with the NHS - make it appear inoperable so that in the end, well-off people pay for the test while poor people do without.
I find Hancock's whining that 25% of people taking the test don't have symptoms absolutely pitiful. For a start, the online form you fill in asks if you have symptoms and won't let you take a test if you don't, so what's he basing this on? It's guesswork at best.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 20, 2020 9:42:38 GMT
I suspect the strategy with these tests is much the same as the Tories' strategy with the NHS - make it appear inoperable so that in the end, well-off people pay for the test while poor people do without. I find Hancock's whining that 25% of people taking the test don't have symptoms absolutely pitiful. For a start, the online form you fill in asks if you have symptoms and won't let you take a test if you don't, so what's he basing this on? It's guesswork at best. So nobody lies on online forms I suspect he is basing that figure on the number of negative tests coming back
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Post by Lobster on Sept 20, 2020 9:54:16 GMT
I suspect the strategy with these tests is much the same as the Tories' strategy with the NHS - make it appear inoperable so that in the end, well-off people pay for the test while poor people do without. I find Hancock's whining that 25% of people taking the test don't have symptoms absolutely pitiful. For a start, the online form you fill in asks if you have symptoms and won't let you take a test if you don't, so what's he basing this on? It's guesswork at best. So nobody lies on online forms I suspect he is basing that figure on the number of negative tests coming back A small number of people might lie. I suspect most people develop a bit of a cough, sore throat, high temperature or whatever (the symptons are pretty vague and not dissimilar to the common cold) and decide it's sensible to get themselves tested.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 20, 2020 10:03:09 GMT
I suspect the strategy with these tests is much the same as the Tories' strategy with the NHS - make it appear inoperable so that in the end, well-off people pay for the test while poor people do without. I find Hancock's whining that 25% of people taking the test don't have symptoms absolutely pitiful. For a start, the online form you fill in asks if you have symptoms and won't let you take a test if you don't, so what's he basing this on? It's guesswork at best. So nobody lies on online forms I suspect he is basing that figure on the number of negative tests coming back Lol, you remind me of Comical Ali.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2020 11:50:04 GMT
If you’d have said six months ago that we’d be in the same place six months later because this government paid Deloitte and Serco millions of our taxes for a test and trace system that doesn’t work, headed by one their mates, I’d be like... “sounds about right.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 14:17:25 GMT
And what has caused France Spain Holland Italy Germany etc to be in a worse state rhan US
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Post by paulie on Sept 21, 2020 14:30:02 GMT
If you’d have said six months ago that we’d be in the same place six months later because this government paid Deloitte and Serco millions of our taxes for a test and trace system that doesn’t work, headed by one their mates, I’d be like... “sounds about right.” Yes hettie o'brien
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Post by Lobster on Sept 21, 2020 14:47:00 GMT
And what has caused France Spain Holland Italy Germany etc to be in a worse state rhan US Do you mean "us" or "U.S."?
Mainland Europe has been 2-3 weeks ahead of us in terms of virus spread from the start. What happens in Italy and Spain tends to happen here a few weeks later, but worse. And given we have more time to prepare for it, it's understandable that the Economist Intelligence Unit describes our poor response to the virus as "hard to explain".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 15:14:00 GMT
I meant us. Do you not think the British people have any responsibility for the increase in cases. Every one clamouring for pubs to be opened and football to start, two things that need to be shut down before anything else as social distancing and these two do not work.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2020 15:18:52 GMT
I meant us. Do you not think the British people have any responsibility for the increase in cases. Every one clamouring for pubs to be opened and football to start, two things that need to be shut down before anything else as social distancing and these two do not work. Do you not think it’s up to the government to govern the British people? We have a government that have continually chopped and changed the rules throughout this pandemic, deliberately confusing the public, and have even changed the rules in order to cover for their own SPADs and MPs who very obviously broke the rules they, themselves, had made. Separate from Covid, I know, but the fact that the government have been very open about the fact that they will break international law when it comes to the Brexit negotiation, and you wonder why the public should listen to them about sticking to the rules? They’ve done a number on people like you haven’t they? Blaming “young people”...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 15:37:16 GMT
I have followed all the rules and not found them confusing nor have I pointed a finger at someone else to give me an excuse to break the rules. I very much doubt that you have broken the rules as you stated you were shielding. How hard is it to wear face coverings, socially distance, and keep out of pubs and large crowded areas. I wish you wouldn't keep referring to me as people like you,
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2020 16:01:19 GMT
I have followed all the rules and not found them confusing nor have I pointed a finger at someone else to give me an excuse to break the rules. I very much doubt that you have broken the rules as you stated you were shielding. How hard is it to wear face coverings, socially distance, and keep out of pubs and large crowded areas. I wish you wouldn't keep referring to me as people like you, What do you think about the new rules, whereby you can’t meet outdoors with more than six others unless it’s to hunt foxes and shoot grouse?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 16:05:52 GMT
A load of tosh but I am still sticking with my bubble
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Post by Lobster on Sept 21, 2020 17:47:56 GMT
I meant us. Do you not think the British people have any responsibility for the increase in cases. Every one clamouring for pubs to be opened and football to start, two things that need to be shut down before anything else as social distancing and these two do not work. Of course, I think we've had the debate before several times on this thread. I actually didn't even mention the government in my last post but interesting that you've jumped in to defend them anyway. The behaviour of governments and people go hand in hand. The British people elected this dreadful government, the government consequentially govern dreadfully, and then people give up on them, get frustrated and do what they want. And if the government are giving in to "clamouring" for football and pubs to return even though it's not safe, isn't that the sign of a weak and irresponsible government?
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 21, 2020 17:50:24 GMT
And what has caused France Spain Holland Italy Germany etc to be in a worse state rhan US How are Italy and Germany in a worse state than us? Where is your evidence? Both had significantly fewer cases and deaths than the U.K. yesterday, so I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 17:59:49 GMT
Not trying to make any point, yes our rates are rising but surely even you can see other countries are also, and at greater rates. This would not be happening if people could at least make an effort to follow very simple rules. Packing out pubs, illegal raves, and not agreeing to quarantine rules after stupidly going on holidays.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2020 18:01:09 GMT
Testing system in meltdown; farcical track and trace; locked down too late; eased lockdown too early; people incentivised to mingle and mix; pressured back onto public transport and into offices...
... but yeah it’s the fault of “young people.”
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Post by Lobster on Sept 21, 2020 18:07:57 GMT
I think another thing people should bear in mind before blaming "young people" is generally, young people have been working throughout the pandemic in face-to-face jobs. What's the usual age of a cashier, shop assistant, bartender, waiter and even carer these days? I'd say teens or early twenties.
And even if they are doing illegal raves or whatever, can you honestly say you wouldn't have done the same at that age? If so, you were probably either a dull teen, or you're an old liar!
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 21, 2020 18:08:40 GMT
Not trying to make any point, yes our rates are rising but surely even you can see other countries are also, and at greater rates. This would not be happening if people could at least make an effort to follow very simple rules. Packing out pubs, illegal raves, and not agreeing to quarantine rules after stupidly going on holidays. Given that both Germany and Italy had about 70% fewer cases than we did yesterday and a fraction of our deaths, how are they doing worse? Is your source the same one who told you 9million Londoners live in an area the size of Vicars Cross?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 18:17:44 GMT
Gosh you are funny.class bully I reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 18:43:41 GMT
I think another thing people should bear in mind before blaming "young people" is generally, young people have been working throughout the pandemic in face-to-face jobs. What's the usual age of a cashier, shop assistant, bartender, waiter and even carer these days? I'd say teens or early twenties. And even if they are doing illegal raves or whatever, can you honestly say you wouldn't have done the same at that age? If so, you were probably either a dull teen, or you're an old liar! so I was a dull teen or an old liar. I suppose you've been on holiday, out on the lash with your mates, I doubt it and would not accuse you of it as I don't know you and don't make assumptions. But by your tone I would say you think it's fine to break the rules and spread the virus. It does not take much to rattle you three but if you read my post I have not mentioned anything about young people but if you think they are behaving sensibly then perhaps I'm wrong and I bow down to your superior knowledge.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 21, 2020 18:53:21 GMT
I think another thing people should bear in mind before blaming "young people" is generally, young people have been working throughout the pandemic in face-to-face jobs. What's the usual age of a cashier, shop assistant, bartender, waiter and even carer these days? I'd say teens or early twenties. And even if they are doing illegal raves or whatever, can you honestly say you wouldn't have done the same at that age? If so, you were probably either a dull teen, or you're an old liar! so I was a dull teen or an old liar. I suppose you've been on holiday, out on the lash with your mates, I doubt it and would not accuse you of it as I don't know you and don't make assumptions. But by your tone I would say you think it's fine to break the rules and spread the virus. It does not take much to rattle you three but if you read my post I have not mentioned anything about young people but if you think they are behaving sensibly then perhaps I'm wrong and I bow down to your superior knowledge. I wasn't directing it at you because, as you say, you haven't mentioned young people. I'm questioning this excuse the government keeps using. As if they've not done enough to get generations mad at each other over the last five years. I'm mid-30s so not really a "young person", but no, I have been very cautious and certainly haven't been out on the lash for ages. Breaking the lockdown rules isn't OK whatever your age, but I'm just being honest and saying that like most people, I did irresponsible and immature things when I was young, so let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that.
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 21, 2020 19:00:59 GMT
I think another thing people should bear in mind before blaming "young people" is generally, young people have been working throughout the pandemic in face-to-face jobs. What's the usual age of a cashier, shop assistant, bartender, waiter and even carer these days? I'd say teens or early twenties. And even if they are doing illegal raves or whatever, can you honestly say you wouldn't have done the same at that age? If so, you were probably either a dull teen, or you're an old liar! so I was a dull teen or an old liar. I suppose you've been on holiday, out on the lash with your mates, I doubt it and would not accuse you of it as I don't know you and don't make assumptions. But by your tone I would say you think it's fine to break the rules and spread the virus. It does not take much to rattle you three but if you read my post I have not mentioned anything about young people but if you think they are behaving sensibly then perhaps I'm wrong and I bow down to your superior knowledge. You seemed quite relaxed about Dominic Cummings breaking the rules and spreading the virus up and down the M1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 19:04:24 GMT
that's fine. the problem i have at the moment is the attitudes of some people who should know better .yesterday on twitter a well known singer said "I'm sick of this i want my life back let all vunerable people go into lockdown and I'll get on with my effin life"2000 likes.. people with influence should know better.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2020 19:08:39 GMT
that's fine. the problem i have at the moment is the attitudes of some people who should know better .yesterday on twitter a well known singer said "I'm sick of this i want my life back let all vunerable people go into lockdown and I'll get on with my effin life"2000 likes.. people with influence should know better. Do you mean people with influence like the governments special advisor? Those people with influence?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 19:09:08 GMT
so I was a dull teen or an old liar. I suppose you've been on holiday, out on the lash with your mates, I doubt it and would not accuse you of it as I don't know you and don't make assumptions. But by your tone I would say you think it's fine to break the rules and spread the virus. It does not take much to rattle you three but if you read my post I have not mentioned anything about young people but if you think they are behaving sensibly then perhaps I'm wrong and I bow down to your superior knowledge. You seemed quite relaxed about Dominic Cummings breaking the rules and spreading the virus up and down the M1. have you got another side to your record .i don't think hitler could have influenced as many people as cummins has .either that or everybody was looking for an excuse
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