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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 28, 2020 15:05:05 GMT
The thing is they could have used local councils and public health teams and the whole system would have been managed 100% better. Instead the Tories put their ideology (public sector bad, private sector better, their mates and donors best) ahead of public safety and we are left with a system not fit for purpose. Unless their purpose is to put public money into the hands of their friends. I doubt if local councils and public health teams would have had the capacity to run something like this out, which has to be coordinated Nationally and I doubt if anything has been done ahead of public safety. We are not let with a system that is unfit for purpose we have a system that has had to be formulated in a very short time that has been released before proper testing, due to the unique situation we are in, we have a work in progress not ideal I know but better than dithering about. What makes you doubt the ability of the National Health Service to organise healthcare provision? Also most things the Tories have done with this have been put ahead of public safety - “go and eat out”, “go back to work on public transport”, “get back in the classroom...” (positive cases of Covid now at Chester University amongst others up and down the country despite desperate appeals to the government to allow online learning). |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 28, 2020 15:14:07 GMT
I doubt if local councils and public health teams would have had the capacity to run something like this out, which has to be coordinated Nationally and I doubt if anything has been done ahead of public safety. We are not let with a system that is unfit for purpose we have a system that has had to be formulated in a very short time that has been released before proper testing, due to the unique situation we are in, we have a work in progress not ideal I know but better than dithering about. What makes you doubt the ability of the National Health Service to organise healthcare provision? Also most things the Tories have done with this have been put ahead of public safety - “go and eat out”, “go back to work on public transport”, “get back in the classroom...” (positive cases of Covid now at Chester University amongst others up and down the country despite desperate appeals to the government to allow online learning). I am not doubting the ability of the National Health Service to organise healthcare provision but I think they have enough on their plate administering healthcare at the moment without burdening them with setting up a National Track and Trace system and all that it entails, you cant stretch elastic that is already at its limit. I would also imagine they had a lot of input to the system anyway. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 28, 2020 15:15:47 GMT
What makes you doubt the ability of the National Health Service to organise healthcare provision? Also most things the Tories have done with this have been put ahead of public safety - “go and eat out”, “go back to work on public transport”, “get back in the classroom...” (positive cases of Covid now at Chester University amongst others up and down the country despite desperate appeals to the government to allow online learning). I am not doubting the ability of the National Health Service to organise healthcare provision but I think they have enough on their plate administering healthcare at the moment without burdening them with setting up a National Track and Trace system and all that it entails, you cant stretch elastic that is already at its limit. I would also imagine they had a lot of input to the system anyway. You can if you fund it adequately. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 28, 2020 16:10:53 GMT
The thing is they could have used local councils and public health teams and the whole system would have been managed 100% better. Instead the Tories put their ideology (public sector bad, private sector better, their mates and donors best) ahead of public safety and we are left with a system not fit for purpose. Unless their purpose is to put public money into the hands of their friends. I doubt if local councils and public health teams would have had the capacity to run something like this out, which has to be coordinated Nationally and I doubt if anything has been done ahead of public safety. We are not let with a system that is unfit for purpose we have a system that has had to be formulated in a very short time that has been released before proper testing, due to the unique situation we are in, we have a work in progress not ideal I know but better than dithering about. I’m sorry but you are very, very wrong. On the day lockdown was announced, myself and every other manager at the Local Authority I work at was handed a 50 page document about how the Council would operate in the event of a pandemic. The Department of Health handed my Council a list of 7000 names of local residents who should be sheltering. Some of the details were very sketchy but I’m proud to say that every name on that list was contacted within 10 working days. This required a multi-agency response involving our Democratic Services department (who look after the electoral roll), the Council Tax department, local Health Trusts, doctor’s surgeries, housing associations and council staff seconded from almost every department. 1843 residents were found to be very vulnerable as some had complex needs and no external support and the Council kept them safe throughout lockdown, getting their prescriptions, supplying food and shelter and in many instances providing a shoulder to cry on. Two colleagues who were seconded had to undertake training to deal with people threatening suicide. Despite the Tories promising to do ‘whatever it takes’ and underwrite Local Govt expenditure, it comes as no surprise that they are now reneging on this promise leaving my employer with a £7million black hole in its finances. So I’m sure you understand how angry I am when I hear whistleblowers from Serco Test and Trace saying they haven’t been asked to trace anyone since May and they spend all day sitting by a phone that never rings. I get even madder when I have to deal with a succession of dead head agency workers shipped in from Manchester every day to man the Testing Stations. To say these people lack motivation is an understatement and as far as I can tell there is almost zero site supervision. The whole system could and should be a whole lot better, but the Tories would sooner let people die on the altar of private profit than let the public sector, and our undoubted expertise (despite 10 years of ideological austerity, properly run things. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 28, 2020 16:47:21 GMT
I doubt if local councils and public health teams would have had the capacity to run something like this out, which has to be coordinated Nationally and I doubt if anything has been done ahead of public safety. We are not let with a system that is unfit for purpose we have a system that has had to be formulated in a very short time that has been released before proper testing, due to the unique situation we are in, we have a work in progress not ideal I know but better than dithering about. I’m sorry but you are very, very wrong. On the day lockdown was announced, myself and every other manager at the Local Authority I work at was handed a 50 page document about how the Council would operate in the event of a pandemic. The Department of Health handed my Council a list of 7000 names of local residents who should be sheltering. Some of the details were very sketchy but I’m proud to say that every name on that list was contacted within 10 working days. This required a multi-agency response involving our Democratic Services department (who look after the electoral roll), the Council Tax department, local Health Trusts, doctor’s surgeries, housing associations and council staff seconded from almost every department. 1843 residents were found to be very vulnerable as some had complex needs and no external support and the Council kept them safe throughout lockdown, getting their prescriptions, supplying food and shelter and in many instances providing a shoulder to cry on. Two colleagues who were seconded had to undertake training to deal with people threatening suicide. Despite the Tories promising to do ‘whatever it takes’ and underwrite Local Govt expenditure, it comes as no surprise that they are now reneging on this promise leaving my employer with a £7million black hole in its finances. So I’m sure you understand how angry I am when I hear whistleblowers from Serco Test and Trace saying they haven’t been asked to trace anyone since May and they spend all day sitting by a phone that never rings. I get even madder when I have to deal with a succession of dead head agency workers shipped in from Manchester every day to man the Testing Stations. To say these people lack motivation is an understatement and as far as I can tell there is almost zero site supervision. The whole system could and should be a whole lot better, but the Tories would sooner let people die on the altar of private profit than let the public sector, and our undoubted expertise (despite 10 years of ideological austerity, properly run things. Ian I understand your frustrations and commend you and your colleagues for the excellent work you have done and no doubt this was also repeated by most if not all Local Authorities in the UK now I am not trying to undermine the work that you and all your colleagues have carried out but would you have been able to cope with having to trace everyone in your region which is what the track and trace system potentially has to do. I hope you and your colleagues continue your excellent work in the community and that sufficient funding is made available for us all to get through these trying times |
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Sept 28, 2020 17:23:16 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 28, 2020 17:23:16 GMT
I see we are being told by some people we need to “live with” the virus. Yet other countries are keeping the virus at relative bay in comparison.
Cases in the last two weeks:
U.K. - 100 per 100,000 people
Germany - 30
Japan - 5
South Korea - 3
Australia - 2
New Zealand - 1
China - 1
Vietnam - 1
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Sept 28, 2020 17:41:45 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 28, 2020 17:41:45 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 28, 2020 18:00:07 GMT
To be fair the figures he's quoted seem to be backed up by your link he has been selective though |
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Sept 28, 2020 18:00:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 18:00:20 GMT
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Sept 28, 2020 18:04:08 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 28, 2020 18:04:08 GMT
Looks about right from what I know of the U.K. population figures. |
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Sept 28, 2020 18:05:53 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 28, 2020 18:05:53 GMT
I’m sorry but you are very, very wrong. On the day lockdown was announced, myself and every other manager at the Local Authority I work at was handed a 50 page document about how the Council would operate in the event of a pandemic. The Department of Health handed my Council a list of 7000 names of local residents who should be sheltering. Some of the details were very sketchy but I’m proud to say that every name on that list was contacted within 10 working days. This required a multi-agency response involving our Democratic Services department (who look after the electoral roll), the Council Tax department, local Health Trusts, doctor’s surgeries, housing associations and council staff seconded from almost every department. 1843 residents were found to be very vulnerable as some had complex needs and no external support and the Council kept them safe throughout lockdown, getting their prescriptions, supplying food and shelter and in many instances providing a shoulder to cry on. Two colleagues who were seconded had to undertake training to deal with people threatening suicide. Despite the Tories promising to do ‘whatever it takes’ and underwrite Local Govt expenditure, it comes as no surprise that they are now reneging on this promise leaving my employer with a £7million black hole in its finances. So I’m sure you understand how angry I am when I hear whistleblowers from Serco Test and Trace saying they haven’t been asked to trace anyone since May and they spend all day sitting by a phone that never rings. I get even madder when I have to deal with a succession of dead head agency workers shipped in from Manchester every day to man the Testing Stations. To say these people lack motivation is an understatement and as far as I can tell there is almost zero site supervision. The whole system could and should be a whole lot better, but the Tories would sooner let people die on the altar of private profit than let the public sector, and our undoubted expertise (despite 10 years of ideological austerity, properly run things. Ian I understand your frustrations and commend you and your colleagues for the excellent work you have done and no doubt this was also repeated by most if not all Local Authorities in the UK now I am not trying to undermine the work that you and all your colleagues have carried out but would you have been able to cope with having to trace everyone in your region which is what the track and trace system potentially has to do. I hope you and your colleagues continue your excellent work in the community and that sufficient funding is made available for us all to get through these trying times Local Authorities wouldn’t be tracing everyone in the region, merely those resident within their own areas, with cross-border co-operation between Councils. Diseases like Covid are fought on a street by street, town by town basis and anybody with slightest understanding of public health would confirm that local knowledge is everything. Massive initiatives such as a nationwide test and trace programme need chunking down to a local level with the Department of Health providing strategic vision as well as resources. Alas you are displaying the same flawed thinking as this Government, believing that centralising power and control is the answer. Your motives might be a misguided belief that bigger is better, theirs is to ensure that public monies are transferred to the right private pockets. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 28, 2020 18:21:03 GMT
Ian I understand your frustrations and commend you and your colleagues for the excellent work you have done and no doubt this was also repeated by most if not all Local Authorities in the UK now I am not trying to undermine the work that you and all your colleagues have carried out but would you have been able to cope with having to trace everyone in your region which is what the track and trace system potentially has to do. I hope you and your colleagues continue your excellent work in the community and that sufficient funding is made available for us all to get through these trying times Local Authorities wouldn’t be tracing everyone in the region, merely those resident within their own areas, with cross-border co-operation between Councils. Diseases like Covid are fought on a street by street, town by town basis and anybody with slightest understanding of public health would confirm that local knowledge is everything. Massive initiatives such as a nationwide test and trace programme need chunking down to a local level with the Department of Health providing strategic vision as well as resources. Alas you are displaying the same flawed thinking as this Government, believing that centralising power and control is the answer. Your motives might be a misguided belief that bigger is better, theirs is to ensure that public monies are transferred to the right private pockets. I wouldn't say that I believe bigger is better in fact I worked for medium size companies and we were treated far better than those who worked for multi national companies (in construction anyway). I agree that local knowledge is best to deal with local issues and is essential to assist in a national emergency such as we have which I believe needs to be centrally co-ordinated. I have never subscribed to the idea of central government running local communities that is the responsibility of local Councils |
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Sept 28, 2020 18:36:55 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 28, 2020 18:36:55 GMT
Everyone watch Panorama Test and Trace Exposed, BBC1 now.
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Sept 28, 2020 18:46:26 GMT
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Post by luke90 on Sept 28, 2020 18:46:26 GMT
I doubt if local councils and public health teams would have had the capacity to run something like this out, which has to be coordinated Nationally and I doubt if anything has been done ahead of public safety. We are not let with a system that is unfit for purpose we have a system that has had to be formulated in a very short time that has been released before proper testing, due to the unique situation we are in, we have a work in progress not ideal I know but better than dithering about. I’m sorry but you are very, very wrong. On the day lockdown was announced, myself and every other manager at the Local Authority I work at was handed a 50 page document about how the Council would operate in the event of a pandemic. The Department of Health handed my Council a list of 7000 names of local residents who should be sheltering. Some of the details were very sketchy but I’m proud to say that every name on that list was contacted within 10 working days. This required a multi-agency response involving our Democratic Services department (who look after the electoral roll), the Council Tax department, local Health Trusts, doctor’s surgeries, housing associations and council staff seconded from almost every department. 1843 residents were found to be very vulnerable as some had complex needs and no external support and the Council kept them safe throughout lockdown, getting their prescriptions, supplying food and shelter and in many instances providing a shoulder to cry on. Two colleagues who were seconded had to undertake training to deal with people threatening suicide. Despite the Tories promising to do ‘whatever it takes’ and underwrite Local Govt expenditure, it comes as no surprise that they are now reneging on this promise leaving my employer with a £7million black hole in its finances. So I’m sure you understand how angry I am when I hear whistleblowers from Serco Test and Trace saying they haven’t been asked to trace anyone since May and they spend all day sitting by a phone that never rings. I get even madder when I have to deal with a succession of dead head agency workers shipped in from Manchester every day to man the Testing Stations. To say these people lack motivation is an understatement and as far as I can tell there is almost zero site supervision. The whole system could and should be a whole lot better, but the Tories would sooner let people die on the altar of private profit than let the public sector, and our undoubted expertise (despite 10 years of ideological austerity, properly run things. Fair play mate. I don't agree with a lot of your views but if I were in the position you've been forced into, im sure I would see things a lot differently. As said, my experiences have been bad with it all to date. I'm glad I just help supply software to hospital trusts and don't have to get involved in this mess. |
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Sept 28, 2020 20:43:15 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 28, 2020 20:43:15 GMT
Looks about right from what I know of the U.K. population figures. Just re-read your post and it seems you needed to copy paste the 'per 100 thousand people' for the other countries you mentioned for it to make sense. Just paste the links to your referenced stories in future, it'll save everyone the time trying to decipher the reality. |
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Sept 29, 2020 14:51:24 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Sept 29, 2020 14:51:24 GMT
You misspeak every time you open your bloody mouth, you tit!
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Sept 30, 2020 9:41:10 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 30, 2020 9:41:10 GMT
The chimp in chief can’t describe his own Government’s lockdown rules; one cabinet minister goes on national radio this morning to defend him by saying “it isn’t a quiz show” - no, Alok, it isn’t a quiz show, it’s vital public health information.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 30, 2020 10:17:44 GMT
The chimp in chief can’t describe his own Government’s lockdown rules; one cabinet minister goes on national radio this morning to defend him by saying “it isn’t a quiz show” - no, Alok, it isn’t a quiz show, it’s vital public health information. I've just read about that. Unbelievable attitude. He's basically saying just go to the website for information, in which case what is the point in the PM constantly blustering his way through press conferences and bulletins?
The Prime Minister's job is leadership and clear communication, neither of which he ever displays. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 1, 2020 5:39:39 GMT
I see Italy are rolling out their successful 30 minute Covid19 swab test, currently used at airports, to all schools. We are so far behind it’s quite incredible.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 1, 2020 13:51:17 GMT
Incredible that nightclubs are back open in Wuhan and yet here in the UK, our government is basically saying the whole industry is no longer viable and will be allowed to go to the wall. From the so-called party of business as well.
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Oct 1, 2020 16:47:09 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 1, 2020 16:47:09 GMT
Incredible that nightclubs are back open in Wuhan and yet here in the UK, our government is basically saying the whole industry is no longer viable and will be allowed to go to the wall. From the so-called party of business as well. Did you just compare Wuhan to the entire UK? |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 1, 2020 20:19:07 GMT
Incredible that nightclubs are back open in Wuhan and yet here in the UK, our government is basically saying the whole industry is no longer viable and will be allowed to go to the wall. From the so-called party of business as well. Did you just compare Wuhan to the entire UK? The point is that the epicentre of the outbreak now has it under control to such an extent that nightclubs are back open. In this country, our government has basically given up on reaching such a point so are willing to throw an entire industry under the bus. I wouldn't have thought that was quite so difficult to understand but then I didn't vote for this shitshow so don't feel the need to keep making excuses for it. |
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Oct 1, 2020 20:24:27 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 1, 2020 20:24:27 GMT
Did you just compare Wuhan to the entire UK? The point is that the epicentre of the outbreak now has it under control to such an extent that nightclubs are back open. In this country, our government has basically given up on reaching such a point so are willing to throw an entire industry under the bus. I wouldn't have thought that was quite so difficult to understand but then I didn't vote for this shitshow so don't feel the need to keep making excuses for it. I'm not making any excuses for this government or any government who may have been in charge during this absolute shit show, however, China and indeed wuhan have controlled this via heavy police and military presence in every major location, a lockdown in the absolute true sense of the word. Would you be happy if the same thing happened here? |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 2, 2020 13:10:08 GMT
The virus will probably need to self-isolate for 14 days after testing positive for Trump.
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Oct 4, 2020 18:30:06 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 4, 2020 18:30:06 GMT
I see the Government keep finding stashes of positive tests hidden down the back of the sofa or something. All perfectly normal, nothing to see here.
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Oct 4, 2020 20:47:22 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 4, 2020 20:47:22 GMT
22,961 positive infections announced today. Imagine the figures if we didn’t have a world beating test and trace system.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 5, 2020 6:20:41 GMT
22,961 positive infections announced today. Imagine the figures if we didn’t have a world beating test and trace system. It turns out we've been under reporting cases all week and the ones missed were lumped onto yesterday's figures. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54412581 |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 6:51:25 GMT
22,961 positive infections announced today. Imagine the figures if we didn’t have a world beating test and trace system. It turns out we've been under reporting cases all week and the ones missed were lumped onto yesterday's figures. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54412581Not only under-reporting, also not contact tracing any of these positive tests. How Dido Harding manages to keep her job is beyond belief, until you remember this Government’s Covid response is a sophisticated rip-off scheme, laundering public money through private companies run by mates with zero expectation of full delivery. There is no unforeseen fault in the system or sudden software glitch, it is a persistent siphoning off of public finances since the start of the pandemic. Try to avert your gaze from the horrific death toll and follow the money, this tells you everything. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 5, 2020 7:36:55 GMT
It's definitely not right. Speaking of not right, how weird is all this Trump stuff? Why is he being driven around in a car waving at people while still receiving hospital treatment for Covid? Call me cynical but it seems like a last-ditch attempt to be an "American hero" in time for the election.
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Oct 5, 2020 8:25:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 8:25:47 GMT
Not only under-reporting, also not contact tracing any of these positive tests. How Dido Harding manages to keep her job is beyond belief, until you remember this Government’s Covid response is a sophisticated rip-off scheme, laundering public money through private companies run by mates with zero expectation of full delivery. There is no unforeseen fault in the system or sudden software glitch, it is a persistent siphoning off of public finances since the start of the pandemic. Try to avert your gaze from the horrific death toll and follow the money, this tells you everything. I don't believe anybody would deliberately leave out thousands of positive cases. What would the benefit be. The people who collect the figures and actually put them on the computers are obviously not capable of doing the job. As the saying goes shxx in shxx out |
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