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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 8:32:04 GMT
Not only under-reporting, also not contact tracing any of these positive tests. How Dido Harding manages to keep her job is beyond belief, until you remember this Government’s Covid response is a sophisticated rip-off scheme, laundering public money through private companies run by mates with zero expectation of full delivery. There is no unforeseen fault in the system or sudden software glitch, it is a persistent siphoning off of public finances since the start of the pandemic. Try to avert your gaze from the horrific death toll and follow the money, this tells you everything. I don't believe anybody would deliberately leave out thousands of positive cases. What would the benefit be. The people who collect the figures and actually put them on the computers are obviously not capable of doing the job. As the saying goes shxx in shxx out Nobody said they were deliberately missed off, you have completely misunderstood the point. This is merely a symptom of the wider problem: the private companies awarded contracts, as well as Dido Harding who was appointed to oversee it all, are criminally incompetent, with fatal consequences. The thing is, this Government doesn’t care, as long as public money continues to be siphoned off to their friends and sponsors. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 8:45:39 GMT
I don't believe anybody would deliberately leave out thousands of positive cases. What would the benefit be. The people who collect the figures and actually put them on the computers are obviously not capable of doing the job. As the saying goes shxx in shxx out Nobody said they were deliberately missed off, you have completely misunderstood the point. This is merely a symptom of the wider problem: the private companies awarded contracts, as well as Dido Harding who was appointed to oversee it all, are criminally incompetent, with fatal consequences. The thing is, this Government doesn’t care, as long as public money continues to be siphoned off to their friends and sponsors. I have not missed the point, it's criminal, but the system designers and in putters ( if there is such a word) are responsible for this farce. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 9:49:20 GMT
Nobody said they were deliberately missed off, you have completely misunderstood the point. This is merely a symptom of the wider problem: the private companies awarded contracts, as well as Dido Harding who was appointed to oversee it all, are criminally incompetent, with fatal consequences. The thing is, this Government doesn’t care, as long as public money continues to be siphoned off to their friends and sponsors. I have not missed the point, it's criminal, but the system designers and in putters ( if there is such a word) are responsible for this farce. So who created a system where 16,000 positive tests are missed, endangering tens of thousands of lives with no consequences for those responsible and a Government that treats any criticism of these grave shortcomings as tantamount to treason? Have a think. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 10:02:31 GMT
I have not missed the point, it's criminal, but the system designers and in putters ( if there is such a word) are responsible for this farce. So who created a system where 16,000 positive tests are missed, endangering tens of thousands of lives with no consequences for those responsible and a Government that treats any criticism of these grave shortcomings as tantamount to treason? Have a think. would that be Boris? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 10:12:26 GMT
So who created a system where 16,000 positive tests are missed, endangering tens of thousands of lives with no consequences for those responsible and a Government that treats any criticism of these grave shortcomings as tantamount to treason? Have a think. would that be Boris? No clues, but which person(s) would you hold responsible? I’m guessing you think it’s a £12 p.h. data inputter. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 10:34:02 GMT
No clues, but which person(s) would you hold responsible? I’m guessing you think it’s a £12 p.h. data inputter. so because they get £12per hr they have no responsibility to be capable of doing their job. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 10:41:40 GMT
No clues, but which person(s) would you hold responsible? I’m guessing you think it’s a £12 p.h. data inputter. so because they get £12per hr they have no responsibility to be capable of doing their job. Jesus wept, you probably think the stokers in the boiler room were responsible for the Titanic going down. And why would you even think such a massive systemic failure is down to a few lowly workers? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 10:59:29 GMT
so because they get £12per hr they have no responsibility to be capable of doing their job. Jesus wept, you probably think the stokers in the boiler room were responsible for the Titanic going down. And why would you even think such a massive systemic failure is down to a few lowly workers? Read my first post again, I'm not blaming any individual, but from the bottom to the top they all have responsibility to do their jobs properly. The system no doubt has design faults. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 5, 2020 11:05:46 GMT
Everyone has a responsibility to take their job seriously and to do it to the best of their ability, but everyone is also paid a salary that reflects their level of responsibility. If a data entry clerk can make a mistake that leads to as much chaos as this, the problem is not the data entry clerk. Who recruited them? Who trained them? What procedures are they following? What quality control methods are in place? This is how people at the top should earn their salary in my opinion. They don't work any harder than people on minimum wage, but should fall harder when things go wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 11:15:28 GMT
Everyone has a responsibility to take their job seriously and to do it to the best of their ability, but everyone is also paid a salary that reflects their level of responsibility. If a data entry clerk can make a mistake that leads to as much chaos as this, the problem is not the data entry clerk. Who recruited them? Who trained them? What procedures are they following? What quality control methods are in place? This is how people at the top should earn their salary in my opinion. They don't work any harder than people on minimum wage, but should fall harder when things go wrong. exactly |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 11:35:30 GMT
Everyone has a responsibility to take their job seriously and to do it to the best of their ability, but everyone is also paid a salary that reflects their level of responsibility. If a data entry clerk can make a mistake that leads to as much chaos as this, the problem is not the data entry clerk. Who recruited them? Who trained them? What procedures are they following? What quality control methods are in place? This is how people at the top should earn their salary in my opinion. They don't work any harder than people on minimum wage, but should fall harder when things go wrong. exactly So why are you obsessing about data inputters then? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 11:56:46 GMT
So why are you obsessing about data inputters then? in your work do you ever delegate responsibility, I know I did because when I was running 10 million pound construction projects it was impossible to see everything so certain sections were passed on to others and cock ups became their responsibility. Not obsessing about any body just saying everybody has a responsibility, |
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Post by scotty on Oct 5, 2020 11:58:38 GMT
No organisation has tens of thousands of people sat around doing nothing, just waiting for the next project. It's nothing to do with underfunding or Tory cuts - it's just daft to have all of those people doing nothing 99.99% of the time. No Labour government would accept this situation, and taxpayers would not either.
When something new comes in that is too big for the public sector to absorb within spare capacity, what do you do? Gear up the public sector or throw cash at the private sector are your only options.
The key determinant is often speed. The private sector can gear up much more quickly. I think that people need to ask why this is so.
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 12:12:57 GMT
So why are you obsessing about data inputters then? in your work do you ever delegate responsibility, I know I did because when I was running 10 million pound construction projects it was impossible to see everything so certain sections were passed on to others and cock ups became their responsibility. Not obsessing about any body just saying everybody has a responsibility, Bet you were a delight to work for. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 12:17:44 GMT
in your work do you ever delegate responsibility, I know I did because when I was running 10 million pound construction projects it was impossible to see everything so certain sections were passed on to others and cock ups became their responsibility. Not obsessing about any body just saying everybody has a responsibility, Bet you were a delight to work for. do you ever deligate? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 12:17:49 GMT
No organisation has tens of thousands of people sat around doing nothing, just waiting for the next project. It's nothing to do with underfunding or Tory cuts - it's just daft to have all of those people doing nothing 99.99% of the time. No Labour government would accept this situation, and taxpayers would not either. When something new comes in that is too big for the public sector to absorb within spare capacity, what do you do? Gear up the public sector or throw cash at the private sector are your only options. The key determinant is often speed. The private sector can gear up much more quickly. I think that people need to ask why this is so. The private sector have now had 6 months and their response is totally inadequate. Even with a hollowed out local government, beaten down by years of austerity Authorities are now being forced to take track and trace in-house (see Leicester and Blackburn with Darwen) so don’t believe the myth that only the private sector can deliver such programmes. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 12:18:26 GMT
Bet you were a delight to work for. do you ever deligate? No, but I do delegate. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 5, 2020 12:18:30 GMT
in your work do you ever delegate responsibility, I know I did because when I was running 10 million pound construction projects it was impossible to see everything so certain sections were passed on to others and cock ups became their responsibility. Not obsessing about any body just saying everybody has a responsibility, Bet you were a delight to work for. Have you ever tried bringing in projects on time with tight budgets and huge penalties if your late, it isn't easy and you need people around you who can take responsibilty and deliver and thats from the top to the bottom. You cant be Mr nice guy all the time |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 5, 2020 13:02:37 GMT
The people on this thread still defending all of this are the equivalent of the handful of people at the end of Chester City FC who still supported Vaughan asset stripping their football club because they were too proud and arrogant to admit they could ever be wrong.
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 13:23:08 GMT
The people on this thread still defending all of this are the equivalent of the handful of people at the end of Chester City FC who still supported Vaughan asset stripping their football club because they were too proud and arrogant to admit they could ever be wrong. Denial and blame-shifting is all they have left, otherwise they would have to confront their own culpability for the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of people. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 13:25:22 GMT
The people on this thread still defending all of this are the equivalent of the handful of people at the end of Chester City FC who still supported Vaughan asset stripping their football club because they were too proud and arrogant to admit they could ever be wrong. I don't think I'm defending any one as you see in my post where I say it's criminal. Just looking at it with different eyes and an open mind. Generalising that one person is to blame for everything is in my mind wrong, hence my statement about delegation |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 13:27:35 GMT
The people on this thread still defending all of this are the equivalent of the handful of people at the end of Chester City FC who still supported Vaughan asset stripping their football club because they were too proud and arrogant to admit they could ever be wrong. Denial and blame-shifting is all they have left, otherwise they would have to confront their own culpability for the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of people. cor you don't half presume a lot. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 13:38:15 GMT
Denial and blame-shifting is all they have left, otherwise they would have to confront their own culpability for the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of people. cor you don't half presume a lot. That’s a bit rich coming from the man who presumes that 16,000 lost positive cases is due to human error by a couple of data entry clerks, despite absolutely no evidence to suggest this and wilfully ignoring the fact that the shit-for-brains Tory place woman in charge of it all has previous, for losing the data of 157,000 customers. You believe want you want fella, if it helps you sleep at night. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 13:42:41 GMT
cor you don't half presume a lot. That’s a bit rich coming from the man who presumes that 16,000 lost positive cases is due to human error by a couple of data entry clerks, despite absolutely no evidence to suggest this and wilfully ignoring the fact that the shit-for-brains Tory place woman in charge of it all has previous, for losing the data of 157,000 customers. You believe want you want fella, if it helps you sleep at night. you're getting angry again, watch your blood pressure. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 13:48:14 GMT
That’s a bit rich coming from the man who presumes that 16,000 lost positive cases is due to human error by a couple of data entry clerks, despite absolutely no evidence to suggest this and wilfully ignoring the fact that the shit-for-brains Tory place woman in charge of it all has previous, for losing the data of 157,000 customers. You believe want you want fella, if it helps you sleep at night. you're getting angry again, watch your blood pressure. Never angry, I’ve got a very long fuse. Bloody pressure is fine too. How’s your sleeping? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 13:53:17 GMT
you're getting angry again, watch your blood pressure. Never angry, I’ve got a very long fuse. Bloody pressure is fine too. How’s your sleeping? at 75 I can sleep anywhere at any time, don't have any regrets to keep me awake. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 5, 2020 14:54:14 GMT
Can anyone help me?
I'm trying to find a post by Ian H Block that Frank Owen's Paintbrush hasn't liked. Its really worrying me, please help!
But then again, its probably fair enough given he doesnt have his own opinions, good job theres people on here to do his talking hey!
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Can anyone help me? I'm trying to find a post by Ian H Block that Frank Owen's Paintbrush hasn't liked. Its really worrying me, please help! But then again, its probably fair enough given he doesnt have his own opinions, good job theres people on here to do his talking hey! they are either brothers or dad and lad |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 5, 2020 16:01:20 GMT
Can anyone help me? I'm trying to find a post by Ian H Block that Frank Owen's Paintbrush hasn't liked. Its really worrying me, please help! But then again, its probably fair enough given he doesnt have his own opinions, good job theres people on here to do his talking hey! Jealousy is not a very attractive trait. |
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