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Dec 17, 2020 20:51:05 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 17, 2020 20:51:05 GMT
Shame you’re not Tobias Ellwood - Tory MP for nearby Bournemouth. Yesterday he addressed the Commons, warning that families meeting over Christmas could be “very dangerous” and risk a third wave. Ok, fair enough. But 24 hours previously he attended a Christmas dinner with... 27 guests... at a private members club in Mayfair. P.S. Funny I didn’t know where Wortley was, so now you’ve said Hastings I’m going to call you “Bob Crass” from now on. Yeah whatever Why don't you just despatch the goon? |
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Dec 17, 2020 21:17:08 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 17, 2020 21:17:08 GMT
For someone who hates the existence of the Off-Topic subforum, you don’t half spend half your day on here...
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Post by Si on Dec 18, 2020 11:10:54 GMT
During the 1st lockdown Hastings was one of the lowest affected areas however we are moving into tier 3 in on Saturday and me and the wife have made the heartbreaking decision not to visit our daughter on Christmas day as planned. I have to say that the break in restrictions over the Christmas period is the wrong decision, people cannot be trusted to act sensibly and I think that whatever tier an area is in those restrictions should apply over the holiday period after all the virus won't take a holiday. I know there are a lot of lonely people out there who are really being affected by all these restriction and it is causing a lot of mental health problems so you can understand why politicians of all 4 nations want to give some leeway but I believe in this instance they are all wrong The problem for the government is that at Christmas a large amount of people will just do what they want anyway, and it's pretty impossible to police the situation. So the government are probably thinking there isn't a whole lot of point in tough restrictions at Christmas and they might get a little bit more buy in from the public for the inevitable lockdown in January. Totally understand that the virus doesn't take a holiday etc, but this is ultimately about how to get people to follow the rules not just over Christmas but for the couple of winter months ahead. Personally, I'll do as I've done all along - haven't necessarily followed the restrictions but acted responsibly enough and judged the situations as they arise. The main issue is the ones that will just think bollocks to it all and have 7 or 8 households all gathering at Christmas - and they would do that whether the government allowed it or not! |
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Dec 18, 2020 11:48:57 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 18, 2020 11:48:57 GMT
During the 1st lockdown Hastings was one of the lowest affected areas however we are moving into tier 3 in on Saturday and me and the wife have made the heartbreaking decision not to visit our daughter on Christmas day as planned. I have to say that the break in restrictions over the Christmas period is the wrong decision, people cannot be trusted to act sensibly and I think that whatever tier an area is in those restrictions should apply over the holiday period after all the virus won't take a holiday. I know there are a lot of lonely people out there who are really being affected by all these restriction and it is causing a lot of mental health problems so you can understand why politicians of all 4 nations want to give some leeway but I believe in this instance they are all wrong The problem for the government is that at Christmas a large amount of people will just do what they want anyway, and it's pretty impossible to police the situation. So the government are probably thinking there isn't a whole lot of point in tough restrictions at Christmas and they might get a little bit more buy in from the public for the inevitable lockdown in January. Totally understand that the virus doesn't take a holiday etc, but this is ultimately about how to get people to follow the rules not just over Christmas but for the couple of winter months ahead. Personally, I'll do as I've done all along - haven't necessarily followed the restrictions but acted responsibly enough and judged the situations as they arise. The main issue is the ones that will just think bollocks to it all and have 7 or 8 households all gathering at Christmas - and they would do that whether the government allowed it or not! I get that but their communication as usual has been bloody awful, and once again they're backtracking on what they said a few weeks ago. I can't think of anything worse than 7 or 8 households within my family all being in one house together. That sounds like an illness in itself! |
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Dec 19, 2020 20:08:30 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2020 20:08:30 GMT
Lol, farcical.
We are an ISLAND FFS. Criminal negligence.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 19, 2020 21:16:56 GMT
What worries me is we haven't even had a winter of this virus yet. It's still pretty mild at the moment.
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Dec 19, 2020 21:29:56 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 19, 2020 21:29:56 GMT
The problem for the government is that at Christmas a large amount of people will just do what they want anyway, and it's pretty impossible to police the situation. So the government are probably thinking there isn't a whole lot of point in tough restrictions at Christmas and they might get a little bit more buy in from the public for the inevitable lockdown in January. Totally understand that the virus doesn't take a holiday etc, but this is ultimately about how to get people to follow the rules not just over Christmas but for the couple of winter months ahead. Personally, I'll do as I've done all along - haven't necessarily followed the restrictions but acted responsibly enough and judged the situations as they arise. The main issue is the ones that will just think bollocks to it all and have 7 or 8 households all gathering at Christmas - and they would do that whether the government allowed it or not! I get that but their communication as usual has been bloody awful, and once again they're backtracking on what they said a few weeks ago. I can't think of anything worse than 7 or 8 households within my family all being in one house together. That sounds like an illness in itself! They are backtracking on what they said a few weeks ago yes they got the latest scientific info 24 hrs ago and have reacted not so long ago you lot were blaming all this on not acting quickly enough now when new scientific evidence is available they are backtracking wow |
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Dec 19, 2020 21:38:13 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 19, 2020 21:38:13 GMT
I get that but their communication as usual has been bloody awful, and once again they're backtracking on what they said a few weeks ago. I can't think of anything worse than 7 or 8 households within my family all being in one house together. That sounds like an illness in itself! They are backtracking on what they said a few weeks ago yes they got the latest scientific info 24 hrs ago and have reacted not so long ago you lot were blaming all this on not acting quickly enough now when new scientific evidence is available they are backtracking wow Whitty confirmed they had known about this new strain for weeks, but as usual Johnson and his Cabinet of liars and charlatans thought they could wing it over Christmas. Once again they are more concerned about the fortunes of the Tory Party than the safety and well-being of the public. Lucky for them the bovine hard of thinkers who routinely back them will happily lap up the bullshit excuses they are fed. |
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Dec 19, 2020 21:42:22 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2020 21:42:22 GMT
They are backtracking on what they said a few weeks ago yes they got the latest scientific info 24 hrs ago and have reacted not so long ago you lot were blaming all this on not acting quickly enough now when new scientific evidence is available they are backtracking wow Whitty confirmed they had known about this new strain for weeks, but as usual Johnson and his Cabinet of liars and charlatans thought they could wing it over Christmas. Once again they are more concerned about the fortunes of the Tory Party than the safety and well-being of the public. Lucky for them the bovine hard of thinkers who routinely back them will happily lap up the bullshit excuses they are fed. It’s been the case right from the start, sadly. Every single decision they have made has put profit over people’s lives. They’ve used the pandemic as an opportunity to siphon off public funds, as they always do, and they have tens of thousands of deaths on their hands. Nobody else to blame but the Government. I’m sure their boot-lickers on here will come flying to their defence. |
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Dec 19, 2020 22:15:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 22:15:19 GMT
yes they did say they knew of the new strain a few weeks ago but i am also sure i heard them say the scientists did not understand why cases were rising so fast after the last lockdown.they only discovered the new version of the virus was a super spreader less than 48 hrs ago it is also prevalant across the rest of europe.i find sometimes it helps to post what is acctualy said rather than ones own version.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 22:40:50 GMT
in my opinion the welsh government have handled covid badly .the north would be in tier 2 using present infection rates and anglesea in tier 1.but we are all in total lockdown so i feel i have a right to critisize.
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Dec 19, 2020 22:42:57 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2020 22:42:57 GMT
It’s been the case right from the start, sadly. Every single decision they have made has put profit over people’s lives. They’ve used the pandemic as an opportunity to siphon off public funds, as they always do, and they have tens of thousands of deaths on their hands. Nobody else to blame but the Government. I’m sure their boot-lickers on here will come flying to their defence. Yes they have known the new strain exists a while but its virility has only been identified in the last 24 hrs and that's why the government has reacted quickly. Obviously that doesn't suit your extremist policies and feel free to report my post for the umpteenth time and ask why a conservative should be allowed to be a moderator the answer is the same reason as a labour supporter should be allowed to be a moderator it's called a balance. I don’t want my government to allow its people to die; you believe the far right aren’t far right enough. Tell me again, which one of us is the extremist? I have no problem with the mainstream political leanings of any moderator; I DO have a problem with a far-right sympathiser who has posted derogatory comments about black football players, immigrants and the LGBT community and who has attempted to deliberately wind-up other posters on the Off-Topic Forum being a moderator. |
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Dec 19, 2020 23:02:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 23:02:23 GMT
just to add my two pence worth to this little spat .i thought this forum was set aside so people could post their thoughts and opinions and others could join in and dicuss said items.yet i find if these opinions differ from ian frank or deva you can guarantee all three will pile in and attempt to destroy your opinion.now some times i am right and some times wrong.but the problem i have is you three are never wrong .well you never admit you are wrong.it kind of spoils the whole idea of the forum.
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Post by utb on Dec 19, 2020 23:18:04 GMT
Seen the videos of the hoards of people on their way up north from London tonight not even attempting to socially distance. Should have shut down all public transport with immediate effect. Too late now, we'll all be in "tier 4" by the New Year.
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Dec 19, 2020 23:32:11 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2020 23:32:11 GMT
just to add my two pence worth to this little spat .i thought this forum was set aside so people could post their thoughts and opinions and others could join in and dicuss said items.yet i find if these opinions differ from ian frank or deva you can guarantee all three will pile in and attempt to destroy your opinion.now some times i am right and some times wrong.but the problem i have is you three are never wrong .well you never admit you are wrong.it kind of spoils the whole idea of the forum. Upsanddowns you know the lefties are never wrong and anyone who dares to differ from fop is an out and out fascist as obviously I am as Karl fop Marx says so. This is what I am talking about. Why is a “moderator” allowed to be so argumentative? You’re supposed to moderate debates and hold moderate views (or at least not make your views widely known if they aren’t moderate) but you’re forever getting involved in arguments and referring to other posters in a derogatory manner. You’ve also attempted to wind up other posters multiple times. None of the above is befitting of a forum moderator, and you’ve already been called out by another moderator within the last few days. Moderators shouldn’t be posting inflammatory argumentative comments about/to other forum users - it flies in the face of the definition of the role. |
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Post by Si on Dec 20, 2020 13:19:26 GMT
Upsanddowns you know the lefties are never wrong and anyone who dares to differ from fop is an out and out fascist as obviously I am as Karl fop Marx says so. This is what I am talking about. Why is a “moderator” allowed to be so argumentative? You’re supposed to moderate debates and hold moderate views (or at least not make your views widely known if they aren’t moderate) but you’re forever getting involved in arguments and referring to other posters in a derogatory manner. You’ve also attempted to wind up other posters multiple times. None of the above is befitting of a forum moderator, and you’ve already been called out by another moderator within the last few days. Moderators shouldn’t be posting inflammatory argumentative comments about/to other forum users - it flies in the face of the definition of the role. Agree with some of your points. Wortley, can you debate your points without being inflammatory as its beginning to cause some issues here in the same way it did when FOP was a moderator. Sensible debate without getting personal please. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 20, 2020 13:37:58 GMT
So frank can say what he likes and gets away with it, while others are told to shut up.
Standard devachat that
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Dec 20, 2020 13:41:20 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 20, 2020 13:41:20 GMT
So frank can say what he likes and gets away with it, while others are told to shut up. Standard devachat that No, I was taken off moderator duties for the exact same thing. I’m just looking for some consistency |
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Dec 20, 2020 13:48:29 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 20, 2020 13:48:29 GMT
So frank can say what he likes and gets away with it, while others are told to shut up. Standard devachat that No, I was taken off moderator duties for the exact same thing. I’m just looking for some consistency Everyone is asked to ignore you and move on, I suggest you do the same |
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Post by Si on Dec 20, 2020 13:48:35 GMT
So frank can say what he likes and gets away with it, while others are told to shut up. Standard devachat that Turn it in.....Frank cannot say what he likes. I am merely applying the same principles as to when I took away his moderating privileges. Don't start a slanging match please. |
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Dec 21, 2020 7:28:18 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 21, 2020 7:28:18 GMT
Given that this mutant virus was known about, and reported to the WHO, in September, are the Tories using it (and exaggerating its seriousness) to cover their own incompetence or the catastrophe that is no deal Brexshit?
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Post by everhopeful on Dec 21, 2020 21:41:43 GMT
The other thing to bear in mind is when do the idiots start panic-buying again?
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Dec 28, 2020 16:31:00 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 28, 2020 16:31:00 GMT
U.K. Covid cases rise by over 40,000 in a single day, today, for the first time since the pandemic began.
On top of the 30,000 increase announced yesterday.
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Dec 28, 2020 22:13:40 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 28, 2020 22:13:40 GMT
What should we do about it?
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Post by whitey on Dec 29, 2020 0:10:40 GMT
Well when Boris wakes up from his Xmas holiday he should be ordering another national lockdown or the NHS simply won't cope, the cases are rising too fast although thankfully not too bad in the North West at the moment. He should also be putting in place plans for schools not to return after their break until we have more details of the new strain.
He won't though and he'll just do what his paymasters tell him to do.
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Dec 30, 2020 11:24:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 30, 2020 11:24:25 GMT
What should we do about it? Full, proper lockdown as we did near the start of the pandemic earlier this year. At least until vaccinations have been widely administered to the vast majority of the population. 30,000+ cases Sunday, a FURTHER 40,000+ cases Monday, then a FURTHER 50,000+ cases yesterday. |
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Dec 30, 2020 12:16:54 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Dec 30, 2020 12:16:54 GMT
There won’t be a full lockdown because that would be Boris admitting defeat. Today he’ll put another 10 million plus in tier 4 including Northamptonshire, Lincolnshire, the remainder of the Midlands and most of Yorkshire and the North East. Tier 4 is basically lockdown by another name of course but the government is obviously hoping we’re all too thick to realize this.
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Dec 30, 2020 15:14:22 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 30, 2020 15:14:22 GMT
What should we do about it? Full, proper lockdown as we did near the start of the pandemic earlier this year. At least until vaccinations have been widely administered to the vast majority of the population. 30,000+ cases Sunday, a FURTHER 40,000+ cases Monday, then a FURTHER 50,000+ cases yesterday. A widely administered vaccination meaning mandatory or just available for the public to choose whether to have it or not? The logistics to contain a virus in a country of 67 million is impossible now, especially considering it's been here since March (probably even earlier) last year. Whatever is in store, 2021 will be grim. |
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Post by delamereal on Dec 30, 2020 15:43:50 GMT
Full, proper lockdown as we did near the start of the pandemic earlier this year. At least until vaccinations have been widely administered to the vast majority of the population. 30,000+ cases Sunday, a FURTHER 40,000+ cases Monday, then a FURTHER 50,000+ cases yesterday. A widely administered vaccination meaning mandatory or just available for the public to choose whether to have it or not?The logistics to contain a virus in a country of 67 million is impossible now, especially considering it's been here since March (probably even earlier) last year. Whatever is in store, 2021 will be grim. I would imagine optional, but I can't see anyone being allowed to fly (when we are able to) unless you have been vaccinated. Hopefully by March enough people will have been vaccinated to enable restrictions to be lowered. We might even get to a live match!!! |
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Post by waggoner on Dec 30, 2020 16:58:45 GMT
A widely administered vaccination meaning mandatory or just available for the public to choose whether to have it or not?The logistics to contain a virus in a country of 67 million is impossible now, especially considering it's been here since March (probably even earlier) last year. Whatever is in store, 2021 will be grim. I would imagine optional, but I can't see anyone being allowed to fly (when we are able to) unless you have been vaccinated. Hopefully by March enough people will have been vaccinated to enable restrictions to be lowered. We might even get to a live match!!! It's a no brainer really. If people want to start going to pubs, clubs and Matches just have the vaccine. Too many conspiracy theories going around too much nonsense. I have heard many stupid stories to avoid having the jab. One is 'it's been developed far too quickly it takes years to develop a vaccine not months' well in time of great need technology, medicine and weapons get invented and go through a quantum leap in development. I also think that if people have the vaccine they should be given proof of it, sort of like a passport to enable access to places. IF you do not have such passport then you cannot leave the country and cannot go to pubs ect. I know some will say ''oh my human rights'' ''oh my civil liberties'' but if we are to beat thing then as many people as possible need to have it |
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