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Post by blaconboy on Dec 31, 2020 7:48:01 GMT
I see we are getting the cheapest, least effective (£3 per dose, 62-90% effective) vaccine compared to the USA (£25, 95%), Germany (£15, 95%) and Russia (£7.50, 92%). Also, looks like the Government are rushing things through to restart the economy and risk the vaccine failing - by offering millions of people a single first dose followed by a second dose “within three months.” However Pfizer/BioNTech have said their vaccine is not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart and both they and Oxford/AstraZeneca have said there is no evidence that the first shot works beyond three WEEKS. Always profits over people’s lives with this mob. Right from the start. It is not fully effective for the first three weeks |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 8:33:19 GMT
The flu vaccine is only 40% effective. millions have it because it is proven to reduce the seriousness of flu and therefore reduce deaths.the Oxford vaccine is readily available to UK the others are not.
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Post by delamereal on Dec 31, 2020 8:38:41 GMT
No it will be called the "German Virus" as the Germans have only just released the information that they've just found out (Ha Ha) they had a person who died of this variant in early November. I'm surprised you didn't know this Frank as you're usually up to date with all the news........oh wait this doesn't fit in with you agenda does it. ” the information have they? So after I made the post then? I’m not that good, to predict the future. As in the beginning of this week as you very well know. |
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Post by delamereal on Dec 31, 2020 8:39:40 GMT
I see we are getting the cheapest, least effective (£3 per dose, 62-90% effective) vaccine compared to the USA (£25, 95%), Germany (£15, 95%) and Russia (£7.50, 92%). Also, looks like the Government are rushing things through to restart the economy and risk the vaccine failing - by offering millions of people a single first dose followed by a second dose “within three months.” However Pfizer/BioNTech have said their vaccine is not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart and both they and Oxford/AstraZeneca have said there is no evidence that the first shot works beyond three WEEKS.
Always profits over people’s lives with this mob. Right from the start. Put your glasses back on, until 3 weeks after the first injection. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 31, 2020 8:43:00 GMT
Nothing like a bit of Mancot myth busting in the morning eh lads 👌👍
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 31, 2020 9:29:35 GMT
I see we are getting the cheapest, least effective (£3 per dose, 62-90% effective) vaccine compared to the USA (£25, 95%), Germany (£15, 95%) and Russia (£7.50, 92%). Also, looks like the Government are rushing things through to restart the economy and risk the vaccine failing - by offering millions of people a single first dose followed by a second dose “within three months.” However Pfizer/BioNTech have said their vaccine is not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart and both they and Oxford/AstraZeneca have said there is no evidence that the first shot works beyond three WEEKS.
Always profits over people’s lives with this mob. Right from the start. Put your glasses back on, until 3 weeks after the first injection. That’s literally what I posted, perhaps you should be the one reading properly? I quoted the actual companies that made the vaccines saying they aren’t designed to be 12 weeks apart and there’s no evidence that the first one lasts that long. But hey, what do they know?! |
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Post by lincolnexile on Dec 31, 2020 10:01:12 GMT
Put your glasses back on, until 3 weeks after the first injection. That’s literally what I posted, perhaps you should be the one reading properly? I quoted the actual companies that made the vaccines saying they aren’t designed to be 12 weeks apart and there’s no evidence that the first one lasts that long. But hey, what do they know?! Maybe I’m reading it wrong but the way I read it the companies are saying that the first vaccine won’t be effective for the first three weeks after the initial vaccination, rather than saying that it won’t be effective after three weeks. |
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Post by superman on Dec 31, 2020 10:25:31 GMT
The way it was explained by an expert, can’t remember who, on the radio yesterday was that it takes up to 2-3 weeks to build up max benefit from first dose, and additional benefit from second dose are accrued from receiving it within a time frame of up 12 weeks. Beyond 12 weeks the additional benefits decrease. This was released by the regulatory authority who recommended the new roll out regime.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 31, 2020 10:31:29 GMT
I see we are getting the cheapest, least effective (£3 per dose, 62-90% effective) vaccine compared to the USA (£25, 95%), Germany (£15, 95%) and Russia (£7.50, 92%). Also, looks like the Government are rushing things through to restart the economy and risk the vaccine failing - by offering millions of people a single first dose followed by a second dose “within three months.” However Pfizer/BioNTech have said their vaccine is not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart and both they and Oxford/AstraZeneca have said there is no evidence that the first shot works beyond three WEEKS. Always profits over people’s lives with this mob. Right from the start. Source |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Dec 31, 2020 10:38:30 GMT
For those flapping about the vaccine being rushed through, there is a good article which explains it better than any ranter on Facebook could. Its been ten years in the making and the gaps that normally take much longer have been plugged by countries throwing money at it and volunteers queuing up to take part in trials, both problematic with normal vaccines. Might be worthwhile reading it.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371 |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 31, 2020 10:41:39 GMT
I see we are getting the cheapest, least effective (£3 per dose, 62-90% effective) vaccine compared to the USA (£25, 95%), Germany (£15, 95%) and Russia (£7.50, 92%). Also, looks like the Government are rushing things through to restart the economy and risk the vaccine failing - by offering millions of people a single first dose followed by a second dose “within three months.” However Pfizer/BioNTech have said their vaccine is not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart and both they and Oxford/AstraZeneca have said there is no evidence that the first shot works beyond three WEEKS. Always profits over people’s lives with this mob. Right from the start. Source Source for the cost and effectiveness - the World Health Organisation Source for the concerns raised by the actual vaccine producers that the government are rushing things to save the economy - the Guardian. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 31, 2020 10:44:20 GMT
“ Millions of people across the UK at risk from Covid will be offered a single first dose of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, with a booster jab within three months, in a bid to return the country to some normality by the spring, the prime minister has said.
Amid the widespread praise for Oxford University and AstraZeneca in gaining UK approval for a vaccine that is vital to the global prospects of ending the pandemic because of its low cost and normal refrigeration, some experts were anxious at the proposed mode of use. They said it was pragmatic to try to ensure as many people as possible had a first shot, giving them some protection, but that there were unanswered questions.
These include the evidence for extending the time between injections to 12 weeks, which could lead to some people not returning for the second dose.
Pfizer/BioNTech said that their vaccine was not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart. In a statement, the firms said there was no evidence the first shot continued to work beyond three weeks.”
Risking lives to save the economy - and they haven’t even done that. They’ve somehow managed to save neither lives nor the economy.
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Post by superman on Dec 31, 2020 10:52:19 GMT
Where has it been said that the Pfizer vaccine will be given as 2 doses 12 weeks apart? Don’t think a regime change has been announced for that. in fact the roll out of the second doses after 3 weeks has already started.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 31, 2020 11:09:07 GMT
Where has it been said that the Pfizer vaccine will be given as 2 doses 12 weeks apart? Don’t think a regime change has been announced for that. in fact the roll out of the second doses after 3 weeks has already started. I think all second doses sheduled for before 4th Jan will go ahead as planned. Second doses that were due after that will be put back to prioritise delivering first doses to people. At least that's how I understood it yesterday. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 31, 2020 11:35:54 GMT
Where has it been said that the Pfizer vaccine will be given as 2 doses 12 weeks apart? Don’t think a regime change has been announced for that. in fact the roll out of the second doses after 3 weeks has already started. The regime change is mentioned in the same Guardian article as above. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 31, 2020 13:51:48 GMT
Up to 12 weeks.
The manufacturers seem to suggest it should be three weeks maximum.
That’s where the concern is.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 31, 2020 14:13:57 GMT
Up to 12 weeks. The manufacturers seem to suggest it should be three weeks maximum. That’s where the concern is. Concern noted and thrown in the bin 👍 Each to their own but I would rather trust the judgment of the people that actually made the vaccine 👍🏻 |
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Post by superman on Dec 31, 2020 15:10:36 GMT
What the manufacturers/developers of the Pfizer vaccine have said is that they don’t have the data supporting the widening of the time between doses, Further definitive studies would be needed. No savvy commercial pharmaceutical company would promote a change of regime,, they will always let the regulators make up their own minds. What they have said is that they understand the rationale of giving as many people as possible a degree of protection in the shortest time possible.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 31, 2020 15:25:45 GMT
What the manufacturers/developers of the Pfizer vaccine have said is that they don’t have the data supporting the widening of the time between doses, Further definitive studies would be needed. No savvy commercial pharmaceutical company would promote a change of regime,, they will always let the regulators make up their own minds. What they have said is that they understand the rationale of giving as many people as possible a degree of protection in the shortest time possible. Your first point is correct, but surely that means without further definitive studies... it’s a risk! The government are hoping to take that risk to get people back out spending money again. Why has the recommendation suddenly changed from the second dose needing to be within 21 days to now only needing to be done within 12 weeks? As above, even the developers of the vaccine have said the first dose wasn’t designed to last that long; there’s a real concern that the first dose effectiveness will be reduced with such a delay until the second dose. But if it makes the people think they’re safe to go out spending their money again it’s ok isn’t it? |
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Post by superman on Dec 31, 2020 19:31:46 GMT
Many many will go out and spend their money irrespective of whether the guidance says it’s safe to do so or not. Just look at the week before Christmas and the few days of the post Christmas sales. They think they are immune from catching it by some sort of divine right. I’m sure we all know of households where the boundaries were pushed at Christmas, some people are prepared to consider themselves before others. I don’t know whether the seemingly scientific consensus that it is better give the max number of single doses first to max the number with some degree of protection is right or not. Difficult judgement calls have to be made, I wouldn’t like to have to make them, they are not clear cut,
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Post by waggoner on Dec 31, 2020 23:07:04 GMT
It's a no brainer really. If people want to start going to pubs, clubs and Matches just have the vaccine. Too many conspiracy theories going around too much nonsense. I have heard many stupid stories to avoid having the jab. One is 'it's been developed far too quickly it takes years to develop a vaccine not months' well in time of great need technology, medicine and weapons get invented and go through a quantum leap in development. I also think that if people have the vaccine they should be given proof of it, sort of like a passport to enable access to places. IF you do not have such passport then you cannot leave the country and cannot go to pubs ect. I know some will say ''oh my human rights'' ''oh my civil liberties'' but if we are to beat thing then as many people as possible need to have it Incredible. Sorry i don't follow. Is it incredible that i posted this or 'incredible' that anyone has a view that a vaccine is a good idea to try to beat this virus? |
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Post by waggoner on Dec 31, 2020 23:10:51 GMT
I do worry about the number of people who have got silly anti-vaccine ideas in their head. Look at the Facebook comments on any Cheshire Live story about vaccines. It's frightening! If you genuinely think you have an informed reason to go against scientific consensus, you're wasting your time spouting it on Facebook! Research it and write a paper on it. Scientists actually welcome that sort of thing. Otherwise, shut up and get the jab. At least then if it all goes wrong, it won't be your fault. I found this link that is a sort of funny jab at the Vaccine conspiracy theorists link |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 15:36:16 GMT
I can't wait to get my vaccination. Hopefully we can get some sort of normal life back. To start with I missed my football and senior blues meetings, but as its dragged on I feel I'm losing interest in football. Streaming does nothing for me and I don't watch football on TV as I have no interest in prem football. Don't know if it's just me but after 67 years of watching Chester. I am finding other things to do. Just hope it's not permanent
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 3, 2021 22:56:01 GMT
The “curve” is vertical; Boris is dithering.
Dangerous dangerous times.
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 4, 2021 11:43:52 GMT
Looking at all the recent photos on Instagram it appears that hundreds of people live within walking distance of Moel Famau - either that or loads of people ignored the rules to go and see a bit of snow.
The Scouse Alps are busy at the best of times but some of the photos I've seen made it look like a bank holiday weekend.
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Post by Bob on Jan 4, 2021 13:23:27 GMT
Good on them.
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 4, 2021 14:19:41 GMT
I'm not against people getting exercise but in the current climate, in those weather conditions it's asking for trouble and very selfish. Moel Famau attracts people who aren't experienced walkers due to decent access and easy paths. As such a lot of people won't have the equipment needed for Winter walking. Only takes one slip and you're putting all the mountain rescue volunteers needed to get you out of there at risk. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 4, 2021 15:09:35 GMT
I see Jeremy Hunt is calling for the closure of schools before Keir Starmer. Absolutely love having a 'proper opposition' again.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2021 15:53:48 GMT
I see Jeremy Hunt is calling for the closure of schools before Keir Starmer. Absolutely love having a 'proper opposition' again. Brilliant isn’t it. Suppose the focus groups aren’t running due to the current restrictions, in fairness. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 4, 2021 16:16:14 GMT
I see Jeremy Hunt is calling for the closure of schools before Keir Starmer. Absolutely love having a 'proper opposition' again. A Manchester United footballer has put more pressure on the government than the leader of the opposition in the last 12 months, so shouldn't be surprised.
Saying that, I am beginning to wonder if a bland centrist Labour leader is the most likely to win the next election. It seems to have worked in America with Biden.
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