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Jan 4, 2021 16:25:31 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2021 16:25:31 GMT
I see Jeremy Hunt is calling for the closure of schools before Keir Starmer. Absolutely love having a 'proper opposition' again. A Manchester United footballer has put more pressure on the government than the leader of the opposition in the last 12 months, so shouldn't be surprised.
Saying that, I am beginning to wonder if a bland centrist Labour leader is the most likely to win the next election. It seems to have worked in America with Biden.
But will it bring the change needed to improve people’s lives or will we have a softer version of more of the same neoliberal war-mongering big business puppets that we’ve had for the past 30+ years? I’m not convinced; both sides of the ocean. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 4, 2021 17:02:59 GMT
A Manchester United footballer has put more pressure on the government than the leader of the opposition in the last 12 months, so shouldn't be surprised.
Saying that, I am beginning to wonder if a bland centrist Labour leader is the most likely to win the next election. It seems to have worked in America with Biden.
But will it bring the change needed to improve people’s lives or will we have a softer version of more of the same neoliberal war-mongering big business puppets that we’ve had for the past 30+ years? I’m not convinced; both sides of the ocean. I don't disagree, but the problem is I will still almost certainly vote Labour as it's only chance of getting the Tories out. I kept advising people who were anti-Tory to vote Labour even if they didn't like Corbyn, so it would be hypocritical for me not to.
Also, it's easier to get long-term change if vaguely the right party is in power. We can see how much the Conservative Party has changed during its ten years in power. The current lot would never have been elected in 2010. If Starmer became PM but later stepped down or was replaced, the new leader and PM would presumably be elected by Labour Party members without a General Election, and if Momentum etc. got involved, that is a feasible route to a left-wing Prime Minister.
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Jan 4, 2021 19:17:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2021 19:17:05 GMT
I see the First Minister of England is addressing England at 8pm. Tier five?
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Post by Lobster on Jan 4, 2021 20:00:09 GMT
It's bizarre putting my daughter to bed on what as things stand is a schoolnight, knowing that in the morning it probably won't be.
Seriously, why do they have to leave everything this late? Just announce over Christmas that as a precaution, schools will be closed for at least the first week of the year. That gives everybody - parents, teachers, pupils etc some time to make the arrangements necessary. Instead it always gets left until the situation is at the point where action simply has to be taken. I don't know if Johnson thinks it makes him look dynamic and heroic but it doesn't, it makes him look like a lazy student who is doing his homework on the school bus while leaning on his mate's back.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:06:42 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2021 20:06:42 GMT
That’s what Wales did - devolved the decision to LEA’s and Flintshire announced the week before Christmas that certainly the first week of January would be “hubs” for children of key workers only.
That’s our children so will see how it goes this week.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:36:20 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2021 20:36:20 GMT
At least it shows the power of unionising - well done to all the teaching staff.
It’s a shame the unions no longer have a Party that stands for them. RLB famously sacked for doing so last summer.
Join one, fight for your rights, your health, your safety!
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Post by Lobster on Jan 4, 2021 20:45:15 GMT
It's ridiculous brinkmanship. Thousands of people will now have to throw a sickie in the morning to look after their kids, businesses will have to do without staff with no prior notice, and surely this chaotic approach is damaging to businesses and in turn the only thing the government cares about - the economy?
That's before we even consider that a lot more infection has been spread today for the sake of one worthless day in school.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:50:52 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2021 20:50:52 GMT
Unfortunately we have a clueless flip-flopping government, as you say causing chaos. What happened to “schools are safe” only yesterday? You knew this announcement was coming - the government have been changing their minds at the 11 and a halfth hour for nine months now.
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Jan 4, 2021 22:14:05 GMT
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 4, 2021 22:14:05 GMT
I don't understand why click and collect is still allowed for so much none essential retail. Seems to contradict the 'stay at home' message.
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Jan 4, 2021 22:16:14 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2021 22:16:14 GMT
I don't understand why click and collect is still allowed for so much none essential retail. Seems to contradict the 'stay at home' message. “Protect the economy and if some pensioners die, too bad.” |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 5, 2021 7:01:56 GMT
Thank goodness the Tories have spunked £20billion on a world beating test and trace system, otherwise we’d be in a right mess.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 5, 2021 10:12:53 GMT
I don't understand why click and collect is still allowed for so much none essential retail. Seems to contradict the 'stay at home' message. Never really understood this. Surely most retail products can be classed as essential From a newspaper or magazine for positive mental health. Someone said to me earlier in the first lockdown , Why would someone need a food mixer or a pair of new shoes. Well that depends if that person uses the food mixer to pulp up food to feed someone who cant feed themselves, or a new pair of shoes because they are a health worker and the ones they are wearing have fell to bits. For me its not the product that should be regulated but the way it is sold. For example a small independent shop selling clothes who operate a maximum number of persons in the store, one way directions, hand sanitiser and screens at the tills etc are in no way more of a risk of catching the virus as a supermarket that can still sell clothes, but has no one way system anymore, the maximum number of people has gone to shit and you can pick up and eat an apple that many people have touched before you. |
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Jan 5, 2021 10:23:15 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 5, 2021 10:23:15 GMT
I don't understand why click and collect is still allowed for so much none essential retail. Seems to contradict the 'stay at home' message. Never really understood this. Surely most retail products can be classed as essential From a newspaper or magazine for positive mental health. Someone said to me earlier in the first lockdown , Why would someone need a food mixer or a pair of new shoes. Well that depends if that person uses the food mixer to pulp up food to feed someone who cant feed themselves, or a new pair of shoes because they are a health worker and the ones they are wearing have fell to bits. For me its not the product that should be regulated but the way it is sold. For example a small independent shop selling clothes who operate a maximum number of persons in the store, one way directions, hand sanitiser and screens at the tills etc are in no way more of a risk of catching the virus as a supermarket that can still sell clothes, but has no one way system anymore, the maximum number of people has gone to shit and you can pick up and eat an apple that many people have touched before you. The problem is that loads of shops are classing themselves as essential because there’s no definitive statement which lays out what is essential. B&M, The Range, etc... are still open because they sell some items that could be classed as essential. I’m surprised that Next haven’t started to sell crisps and pop, that way they could probably open up their stores. There’s too many loopholes which are mainly down to the wishy washy advice given out by the government. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 5, 2021 10:38:44 GMT
Never really understood this. Surely most retail products can be classed as essential From a newspaper or magazine for positive mental health. Someone said to me earlier in the first lockdown , Why would someone need a food mixer or a pair of new shoes. Well that depends if that person uses the food mixer to pulp up food to feed someone who cant feed themselves, or a new pair of shoes because they are a health worker and the ones they are wearing have fell to bits. For me its not the product that should be regulated but the way it is sold. For example a small independent shop selling clothes who operate a maximum number of persons in the store, one way directions, hand sanitiser and screens at the tills etc are in no way more of a risk of catching the virus as a supermarket that can still sell clothes, but has no one way system anymore, the maximum number of people has gone to shit and you can pick up and eat an apple that many people have touched before you. The problem is that loads of shops are classing themselves as essential because there’s no definitive statement which lays out what is essential. B&M, The Range, etc... are still open because they sell some items that could be classed as essential. I’m surprised that Next haven’t started to sell crisps and pop, that way they could probably open up their stores. There’s too many loopholes which are mainly down to the wishy washy advice given out by the government.Cant disagree with this bit. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 5, 2021 11:22:25 GMT
Never really understood this. Surely most retail products can be classed as essential From a newspaper or magazine for positive mental health. Someone said to me earlier in the first lockdown , Why would someone need a food mixer or a pair of new shoes. Well that depends if that person uses the food mixer to pulp up food to feed someone who cant feed themselves, or a new pair of shoes because they are a health worker and the ones they are wearing have fell to bits. For me its not the product that should be regulated but the way it is sold. For example a small independent shop selling clothes who operate a maximum number of persons in the store, one way directions, hand sanitiser and screens at the tills etc are in no way more of a risk of catching the virus as a supermarket that can still sell clothes, but has no one way system anymore, the maximum number of people has gone to shit and you can pick up and eat an apple that many people have touched before you. The problem is that loads of shops are classing themselves as essential because there’s no definitive statement which lays out what is essential. B&M, The Range, etc... are still open because they sell some items that could be classed as essential. I’m surprised that Next haven’t started to sell crisps and pop, that way they could probably open up their stores. There’s too many loopholes which are mainly down to the wishy washy advice given out by the government. I work in the motor trade and basically every showroom is open for sales, just as click and collect. I understand service and bodyshop staying open for essential maintenance and repairs but sales should be closed. If someone really needs a car in a pinch, say theirs is a total loss or can't be repaired, we could have a couple staff on call from home who could sort something out. |
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Jan 5, 2021 12:22:29 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 5, 2021 12:22:29 GMT
The problem is that loads of shops are classing themselves as essential because there’s no definitive statement which lays out what is essential. B&M, The Range, etc... are still open because they sell some items that could be classed as essential. I’m surprised that Next haven’t started to sell crisps and pop, that way they could probably open up their stores. There’s too many loopholes which are mainly down to the wishy washy advice given out by the government.Cant disagree with this bit. I've thought about that Next scenario myself. What's to stop, say, a Warhammer or comic book shop deciding to sell bread? I also think about people like my grandmother-in-law, who died a couple of years ago, but I'm pretty sure she lived without ever using the internet and wouldn't have known how to. She had people looking after her, but there must still be people out there who simply don't know how to shop online. |
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Post by delamereal on Jan 5, 2021 16:13:37 GMT
The problem is that loads of shops are classing themselves as essential because there’s no definitive statement which lays out what is essential. B&M, The Range, etc... are still open because they sell some items that could be classed as essential. I’m surprised that Next haven’t started to sell crisps and pop, that way they could probably open up their stores. There’s too many loopholes which are mainly down to the wishy washy advice given out by the government. I work in the motor trade and basically every showroom is open for sales, just as click and collect. I understand service and bodyshop staying open for essential maintenance and repairs but sales should be closed.If someone really needs a car in a pinch, say theirs is a total loss or can't be repaired, we could have a couple staff on call from home who could sort something out. If you're on a type of lease system such as the Ford Options one then at the end of the contract you have 3 choices:- 1. Exchange your old car for a new one. 2. Hand your old car back to the dealer without buying a new one. 3. Pay the remainder of the money owing on it. Most people choose option1 or 2. If showrooms aren't open then you would have to choose option 3 which the majority of people wouldn't be able to afford. Car showrooms have plenty of room for people to walk around without being near to anyone else (certainly more room than shops) and most dealers will deliver your new car (once chosen) to your house and take your old one back to their dealership if you so wish. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 5, 2021 16:44:06 GMT
I work in the motor trade and basically every showroom is open for sales, just as click and collect. I understand service and bodyshop staying open for essential maintenance and repairs but sales should be closed.If someone really needs a car in a pinch, say theirs is a total loss or can't be repaired, we could have a couple staff on call from home who could sort something out. If you're on a type of lease system such as the Ford Options one then at the end of the contract you have 3 choices:- 1. Exchange your old car for a new one. 2. Hand your old car back to the dealer without buying a new one. 3. Pay the remainder of the money owing on it. Most people choose option1 or 2. If showrooms aren't open then you would have to choose option 3 which the majority of people wouldn't be able to afford. Car showrooms have plenty of room for people to walk around without being near to anyone else (certainly more room than shops) and most dealers will deliver your new car (once chosen) to your house and take your old one back to their dealership if you so wish. All salient points but if the message is really 'stay at home' then put a provision in to allow a bit of wiggle room on finance agreements etc. Allow a couple of extra months at the existing monthly payment then reduce the settlement figure accordingly maybe. Although showrooms are generally big spaces the number of touch-points, congregation points etc. are a nightmare. I know from experience of doing the risk assessments when we re-opened. I'd buy a new car sight-unseen, if I'd driven similar before, but I personally wouldn't touch a used car I hadn't been able to view in person or test drive. I'm amazed at the number of people who are comfortable doing it. Maybe that's just me though. |
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Post by delamereal on Jan 5, 2021 20:50:29 GMT
If you're on a type of lease system such as the Ford Options one then at the end of the contract you have 3 choices:- 1. Exchange your old car for a new one. 2. Hand your old car back to the dealer without buying a new one. 3. Pay the remainder of the money owing on it. Most people choose option1 or 2. If showrooms aren't open then you would have to choose option 3 which the majority of people wouldn't be able to afford. Car showrooms have plenty of room for people to walk around without being near to anyone else (certainly more room than shops) and most dealers will deliver your new car (once chosen) to your house and take your old one back to their dealership if you so wish. All salient points but if the message is really 'stay at home' then put a provision in to allow a bit of wiggle room on finance agreements etc. Allow a couple of extra months at the existing monthly payment then reduce the settlement figure accordingly maybe. Although showrooms are generally big spaces the number of touch-points, congregation points etc. are a nightmare. I know from experience of doing the risk assessments when we re-opened. I'd buy a new car sight-unseen, if I'd driven similar before, but I personally wouldn't touch a used car I hadn't been able to view in person or test drive. I'm amazed at the number of people who are comfortable doing it. Maybe that's just me though. I would do exactly the same, but it's amazing how many people want a test drive as well!! |
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Jan 5, 2021 20:53:33 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 5, 2021 20:53:33 GMT
One in 50 people in the country have the virus.
Meanwhile New Zealand celebrated the new year in any normal way any other country usually does, they’re back attending sporting and leisure events, concerts etc, and the pubs and clubs are open.
“wHen hAs sOciALisM EveR WoRkED? What about Vuvuzela? Blah blah blah”
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Jan 6, 2021 16:12:22 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 6, 2021 16:12:22 GMT
Got my internal email advising me I’m now eligible for the vaccine and to book an appointment. See what happens.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:58:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 16:58:28 GMT
Got my internal email advising me I’m now eligible for the vaccine and to book an appointment. See what happens. is this under Wales or England health board.? |
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Jan 6, 2021 16:58:56 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 6, 2021 16:58:56 GMT
Got my internal email advising me I’m now eligible for the vaccine and to book an appointment. See what happens. is this under Wales or England health board.? It’s through my employer. |
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Jan 6, 2021 17:43:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 17:43:50 GMT
is this under Wales or England health board.? It’s through my employer. not being nosy just trying to get a handle on when my age group can expect to get it. Mr gething won't give that information out. Apparently North Wales will get hundreds vaccinated this week. At that rate it will take years. my 83 Yr old brother has heard nothing and my daughter who works in a care home has had hers cancelled due to logistic problems. Piss up and breweries comes to mind. |
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Jan 6, 2021 22:52:12 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 6, 2021 22:52:12 GMT
Another lockdown, the busiest day for UK ambulances on record, and now a load of Trumpheads storming the Capitol Building, seemingly ring-led by a bare-chested man dressed as a bull. Started well, this year!
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 6, 2021 23:14:13 GMT
It’s through my employer. not being nosy just trying to get a handle on when my age group can expect to get it. Mr gething won't give that information out. Apparently North Wales will get hundreds vaccinated this week. At that rate it will take years. my 83 Yr old brother has heard nothing and my daughter who works in a care home has had hers cancelled due to logistic problems. Piss up and breweries comes to mind. I work in the NHS and although I’m admin staff so lesser priority than patient-facing staff (rightly), I have been identified as one of the high risk category due to my medical history so I’ve been “summoned” if you like. |
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Post by jb on Jan 7, 2021 10:02:38 GMT
It’s through my employer. not being nosy just trying to get a handle on when my age group can expect to get it. Mr gething won't give that information out. Apparently North Wales will get hundreds vaccinated this week. At that rate it will take years. my 83 Yr old brother has heard nothing and my daughter who works in a care home has had hers cancelled due to logistic problems. Piss up and breweries comes to mind. This is hugely concerning to read. With a huge effort and organisation every person in Wales should be vaccinated within weeks. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 7, 2021 10:06:39 GMT
not being nosy just trying to get a handle on when my age group can expect to get it. Mr gething won't give that information out. Apparently North Wales will get hundreds vaccinated this week. At that rate it will take years. my 83 Yr old brother has heard nothing and my daughter who works in a care home has had hers cancelled due to logistic problems. Piss up and breweries comes to mind. This is hugely concerning to read. With a huge effort and organisation every person in Wales should be vaccinated within weeks. Should be the absolute priority at the moment. A military-style vaccination programme is needed. |
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Jan 7, 2021 10:11:20 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 7, 2021 10:11:20 GMT
Apparently Israel will be fully vaccinated by end of February.
We’re still way behind in the UK
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Jan 7, 2021 10:55:08 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 7, 2021 10:55:08 GMT
Population of Israel?
9 million
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